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On Tue, 03 May 2011 20:53:00 -0400, Harryk
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote: He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was used? On what planet? It's all about management. Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of priorities? There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here", and he was right. And, Carter paid the price for it, but don't try and claim he failed to give it his best. Bush did not give it his best and he said so publically. The Bush Admin did not rise to the level of competency on most issues. Yeah, I guess when he was informed that we were under attack, he thought not finding out the details for 7 minutes was fine. |
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 22:55:57 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 18:46:07 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:29:31 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:20:37 -0700, wrote: He was on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency. Does any president ever really get a vacation? The presidency follows them wherever they go or I would really be worried about them walking around natural disaster sites in Fumbuck kicking rubble. He was sitting on his ranch enjoying himself. I'm sure he had lots of interaction with all his policy makers and Congress in DC, at least in between riding around his ranch and watching TV. Feel free to defend him, but the fact is that he was AWOL and I'm not talking about his "service" in the Texas Air National Guard. It is just clear you do not understand how the president, any president, travels. The White House comes with them. It's clear that you're going to defend Bush no matter what. The "White House" doesn't "come with them." They can do a bunch of stuff, but it's not like you're on sight, talking to and meeting with all the people. What can't they do? See previous. Sorry if you're having reading comprehension problems. "meeting all the people"? Is that what you mean? You can have a meeting without being in the same room. Sure. Feel free to defend Bush's 1/3 term vacation. I guess you must not understand how important it is to meet face-to-face with people. Do you think he imported all the people to Crawford for an hour meeting. FDR ran most of WWII from a sanitarium in Arkansas. I think that was a few years ago. I'm sure it's applicable somehow. Yeah it was in a time when you either talked on the phone or you sent a telegram. Bush had video conferencing, the internet and a communication system worthy of the starship enterprise. Actually, even the White House itself is nothing like we see on TV. There have been ongoing complaints that even the phones don't work, so I don't know where you're getting this "inside" info. Who was he going to have this meeting with that was could not be had on a conference call? Maybe you should talk to Obama. You keep saying Cheney was running the country anyway. And, this absolves Bush? Who runs the country when Obama decides to take his wife to Chicago on a date or he flies down to Alabama for a photo op next to a blown up trailer? Big difference isn't it, since he's not gone for weeks/months at a time. But, of course, Obama is terrible and Bush was ok. BTW in this regard I have always given Clinton credit. Carter had to go back to Georgia for adventures with killer rabbits, Bush and Reagan had to go to the ranch to clear brush but Clinton could just slip out into the hall for a 5 minute blowjob and he was back on the job, refreshed and ready to go, That was efficiency. And, that's just terrible isn't it. Oh how the right loves to condemn him. All from the holier than thou who were incredibly hypocritical. |
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:46:25 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:24:28 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:01:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote: He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was used? On what planet? It's all about management. Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of priorities? There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here", and he was right. It was cobbled together pretty fast without enough real planning. That was the big flaw. Mostly untrue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw These guys didn't even do a cursory investigation into the weather or just exactly what the nature of the desert was really like. Your Wiki says they did not understand the sand moves and that it also flies in the air. They took sea going helicopters with no defense against airborne dirt into a sand storm. Guess what, The helicopters failed ... duh! That is a failure of planning. Give the time-frame they were working under, it was the best they could do. Of course, Carter was evil and/or incompetent, even though he got more done legislatively than just about any other president. Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or you can't deal with adversity. I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up. I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time available for the current vs. the previous. Then maybe they shouldn't have done it and Carter was the one who said GO. So, you believe he was told that it wouldn't work but he said go anyway? Keep trying, but you're not even close. Feel free to claim Clinton was at fault, but Reagan did just fine in Lebanon. Lebanon was a suicide bomber crashing into a hotel, not exactly the same as an attack in Iran is it? False equivalency And, Reagan in all his glory, cut and ran. What a hero! |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 01:23:36 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 20:53:41 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 21:46:25 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:24:28 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:01:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:47:48 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 12:54:24 -0700, wrote: He? So Carter was the one who decided what type of helicopter was used? On what planet? It's all about management. Are the right people in place, have they been given access to the necessary resources, and have they been given the right sense of priorities? There was a breakdown somewhere in that list, and like it or not, all roads lead back to Carter. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here", and he was right. It was cobbled together pretty fast without enough real planning. That was the big flaw. Mostly untrue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw These guys didn't even do a cursory investigation into the weather or just exactly what the nature of the desert was really like. Your Wiki says they did not understand the sand moves and that it also flies in the air. They took sea going helicopters with no defense against airborne dirt into a sand storm. Guess what, The helicopters failed ... duh! That is a failure of planning. Give the time-frame they were working under, it was the best they could do. Of course, You should watch the Charley Rose interview with Dennis Blair this week (5/03/11) It starts about 30 minutes in,. I am sure it is on the web site. He says pretty much what I said about Eagle Claw. No agenda there... he was fired by Obama. Carter was evil and/or incompetent, Yes, in DC terms he was incompetent. He did not understand how things worked and did not really accomplish much. even though he got more done legislatively than just about any other president. Huh? More than LBJ? More than Nixon? FDR? You are going to have to explain that one. Even Carter says his main achievement was Camp David Huh... read up.... http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1 Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or you can't deal with adversity. I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up. I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time available for the current vs. the previous. Then maybe they shouldn't have done it and Carter was the one who said GO. So, you believe he was told that it wouldn't work but he said go anyway? Keep trying, but you're not even close. Where does the buck stop? You didn't answer the question. What a shocker. Feel free to claim Clinton was at fault, but Reagan did just fine in Lebanon. Lebanon was a suicide bomber crashing into a hotel, not exactly the same as an attack in Iran is it? False equivalency And, Reagan in all his glory, cut and ran. What a hero! There was nothing to be gained there, just like Somalia a few years later. Sometimes cutting your losses and getting the hell out is the smart thing to do. So, he cut and ran. Of course, when Clinton finally left after GHWB started it, all the right wingers claimed it was because it was because of Lewinski. That was ok with you... lying and misleading the American people is typical for right-wingers. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:42:49 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:30:49 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 01:23:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 20:53:41 -0700, wrote: These guys didn't even do a cursory investigation into the weather or just exactly what the nature of the desert was really like. Your Wiki says they did not understand the sand moves and that it also flies in the air. They took sea going helicopters with no defense against airborne dirt into a sand storm. Guess what, The helicopters failed ... duh! That is a failure of planning. Give the time-frame they were working under, it was the best they could do. Of course, You should watch the Charley Rose interview with Dennis Blair this week (5/03/11) It starts about 30 minutes in,. I am sure it is on the web site. He says pretty much what I said about Eagle Claw. No agenda there... he was fired by Obama. You didn't watch it did you. I don't have the time to confirm or deny all of your wild references. Are you denying that he screwed up and was fired? Carter was evil and/or incompetent, Yes, in DC terms he was incompetent. He did not understand how things worked and did not really accomplish much. even though he got more done legislatively than just about any other president. Huh? More than LBJ? More than Nixon? FDR? You are going to have to explain that one. Even Carter says his main achievement was Camp David Huh... read up.... http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1 You must not have even read the article you cited. I saw no significant legislative things there. They talk a lot about the foreign policy things, mostly Camp David, that I pointed out, Salt II and giving away the Panama canal. That is nothing compared to FDR, LBJ or Nixon's LEGISLATIVE accomplishments and that is what you were talking about. Try again. This time read slower. Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or you can't deal with adversity. I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up. I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time available for the current vs. the previous. Then maybe they shouldn't have done it and Carter was the one who said GO. So, you believe he was told that it wouldn't work but he said go anyway? Keep trying, but you're not even close. Where does the buck stop? You didn't answer the question. What a shocker. I believe he approved a flawed plan, in a hurry without doing due diligence and it was a horrible debacle. Carter was involved in all of the decision making and most of the planning. Maybe you should do some reading, beyond a single Wiki post. So, you're claiming that Carter selected the helicopter models? Did he also select the ammo? Feel free to claim Clinton was at fault, but Reagan did just fine in Lebanon. Lebanon was a suicide bomber crashing into a hotel, not exactly the same as an attack in Iran is it? False equivalency And, Reagan in all his glory, cut and ran. What a hero! There was nothing to be gained there, just like Somalia a few years later. Sometimes cutting your losses and getting the hell out is the smart thing to do. So, he cut and ran. Of course, when Clinton finally left after GHWB started it, all the right wingers claimed it was because it was because of Lewinski. That was ok with you... lying and misleading the American people is typical for right-wingers. GHWB did not authorize that mission. He was long gone. Again you want to blame a Bush for a democratic failure. So, I guess this is just all made up then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCeFXeuE4U Get your facts straight. Clinton tried to fix Bush I's mess. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 14:59:03 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:00:28 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:42:49 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:30:49 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 01:23:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 20:53:41 -0700, wrote: These guys didn't even do a cursory investigation into the weather or just exactly what the nature of the desert was really like. Your Wiki says they did not understand the sand moves and that it also flies in the air. They took sea going helicopters with no defense against airborne dirt into a sand storm. Guess what, The helicopters failed ... duh! That is a failure of planning. Give the time-frame they were working under, it was the best they could do. Of course, You should watch the Charley Rose interview with Dennis Blair this week (5/03/11) It starts about 30 minutes in,. I am sure it is on the web site. He says pretty much what I said about Eagle Claw. No agenda there... he was fired by Obama. You didn't watch it did you. I don't have the time to confirm or deny all of your wild references. Are you denying that he screwed up and was fired? So you are willing to speak from ignorance, OK You're the one who appears to be selectively ignorant, since you won't answer the question. Blair was fired for reasons having nothing to do with his knowledge of naval operations in the late 70s. So, therefore, someone who's proven to be incompetent, should be believed. Carter was evil and/or incompetent, Yes, in DC terms he was incompetent. He did not understand how things worked and did not really accomplish much. even though he got more done legislatively than just about any other president. Huh? More than LBJ? More than Nixon? FDR? You are going to have to explain that one. Even Carter says his main achievement was Camp David Huh... read up.... http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1 You must not have even read the article you cited. I saw no significant legislative things there. They talk a lot about the foreign policy things, mostly Camp David, that I pointed out, Salt II and giving away the Panama canal. That is nothing compared to FDR, LBJ or Nixon's LEGISLATIVE accomplishments and that is what you were talking about. Try again. This time read slower. I did. Now enlighten us and quote the part I missed in that article. Are you referring to the nebulous comments about reorganizing some federal departments? That is executive, not legislative and was really just changing some signs. Enlighten yourself. You appear to need it. Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or you can't deal with adversity. I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up. I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time available for the current vs. the previous. Then maybe they shouldn't have done it and Carter was the one who said GO. So, you believe he was told that it wouldn't work but he said go anyway? Keep trying, but you're not even close. Where does the buck stop? You didn't answer the question. What a shocker. I believe he approved a flawed plan, in a hurry without doing due diligence and it was a horrible debacle. Carter was involved in all of the decision making and most of the planning. Maybe you should do some reading, beyond a single Wiki post. So, you're claiming that Carter selected the helicopter models? Did he also select the ammo? It was widely reported that Carter was involved in all of the decision making, to the point of being disruptive. Carter's micro managing was so pervasive and so public that it made it to Saturday Night Live. Total nonsense. Carter didn't pick the helicopters or the crew. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. Feel free to claim Clinton was at fault, but Reagan did just fine in Lebanon. Lebanon was a suicide bomber crashing into a hotel, not exactly the same as an attack in Iran is it? False equivalency And, Reagan in all his glory, cut and ran. What a hero! There was nothing to be gained there, just like Somalia a few years later. Sometimes cutting your losses and getting the hell out is the smart thing to do. So, he cut and ran. Of course, when Clinton finally left after GHWB started it, all the right wingers claimed it was because it was because of Lewinski. That was ok with you... lying and misleading the American people is typical for right-wingers. GHWB did not authorize that mission. He was long gone. Again you want to blame a Bush for a democratic failure. So, I guess this is just all made up then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCeFXeuE4U Get your facts straight. Clinton tried to fix Bush I's mess. Bush planned on getting the troops out by the time he left the white house (Connie Chung said so). Why did Clinton keep them there? Why did he expand the mission? Oh, he _planned_ on doing it, but didn't, therefore, he did nothing wrong. I get it. At least you should listen to the You Tube videos you cite but you don't seem to read the articles either so I am not surprised. Was Bush wrong going into Somalia? Yes he was but like Obama in Afghanistan, Clinton compounded the mistake. Clinton did no such thing. Despite the nonsense, Bush started it, much like the other Bush started in Iraq. Of course, that's all Obama's fault, even Somalia. |
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On Thu, 05 May 2011 13:51:35 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:49:06 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 14:59:03 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:00:28 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:42:49 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:30:49 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 01:23:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 03 May 2011 20:53:41 -0700, wrote: These guys didn't even do a cursory investigation into the weather or just exactly what the nature of the desert was really like. Your Wiki says they did not understand the sand moves and that it also flies in the air. They took sea going helicopters with no defense against airborne dirt into a sand storm. Guess what, The helicopters failed ... duh! That is a failure of planning. Give the time-frame they were working under, it was the best they could do. Of course, You should watch the Charley Rose interview with Dennis Blair this week (5/03/11) It starts about 30 minutes in,. I am sure it is on the web site. He says pretty much what I said about Eagle Claw. No agenda there... he was fired by Obama. You didn't watch it did you. I don't have the time to confirm or deny all of your wild references. Are you denying that he screwed up and was fired? So you are willing to speak from ignorance, OK You're the one who appears to be selectively ignorant, since you won't answer the question. Blair was fired for reasons having nothing to do with his knowledge of naval operations in the late 70s. So, therefore, someone who's proven to be incompetent, should be believed. Nobody questioned Blair's "competence". There was just a policy disagreement about sharing intel with the French. If you disagree with the CnC you have to go. Huh? Lots and lots of people have. Good grief. Look it up! Carter was evil and/or incompetent, Yes, in DC terms he was incompetent. He did not understand how things worked and did not really accomplish much. even though he got more done legislatively than just about any other president. Huh? More than LBJ? More than Nixon? FDR? You are going to have to explain that one. Even Carter says his main achievement was Camp David Huh... read up.... http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1 You must not have even read the article you cited. I saw no significant legislative things there. They talk a lot about the foreign policy things, mostly Camp David, that I pointed out, Salt II and giving away the Panama canal. That is nothing compared to FDR, LBJ or Nixon's LEGISLATIVE accomplishments and that is what you were talking about. Try again. This time read slower. I did. Now enlighten us and quote the part I missed in that article. Are you referring to the nebulous comments about reorganizing some federal departments? That is executive, not legislative and was really just changing some signs. Enlighten yourself. You appear to need it. You cited an article with absolutely ZERO references to legislative achievements and now you are ducking the question with a personal attack. Try again. There are plenty listed. Many of the Carter administration's most noteworthy accomplishments came in the field of foreign affairs. President Carter established full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and made good on a long-standing American promise to return control of the Panama Canal to the Panamanians. After negotiating the necessary treaties with Panama, Carter prevailed in an exceptionally contentious ratification fight in the Senate. The outstanding achievement of the Carter presidency was the peace settlement between Israel and Egypt. Over 13 days of meetings at the presidential retreat, Camp David, Carter persuaded President Anwar Sadat of Egypt and Prime Minister Menachem Begin of Israel to end the 31-year state of war between their countries. Egypt was the first of Israel's Arab neighbors to make peace with the Jewish state. Israel ended its occupation of the Sinai peninsula and returned control of the territory to Egypt. President Carter also negotiated a Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT II) with the Soviet Union, but before the Senate could vote to ratify the treaty, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and Carter withdrew the treaty from consideration. The two superpowers agreed informally to abide by the terms of the treaty, even though neither side ever ratified it officially. Perhaps there was the fear that loading more capable helicopters on a carrier would attract attention but FDR managed to train crews and put B-25s on the Hornet without a leak. Much like Mogadishu, the right assets should have been in theater before you try things like this or you can't deal with adversity. I bet the sky over Aghanistan was black with orbiting planes and choppers full of guys, in case this thing blew up. I'll bet that if you look at the timeline, there was a lot more time available for the current vs. the previous. Then maybe they shouldn't have done it and Carter was the one who said GO. So, you believe he was told that it wouldn't work but he said go anyway? Keep trying, but you're not even close. Where does the buck stop? You didn't answer the question. What a shocker. I believe he approved a flawed plan, in a hurry without doing due diligence and it was a horrible debacle. Carter was involved in all of the decision making and most of the planning. Maybe you should do some reading, beyond a single Wiki post. So, you're claiming that Carter selected the helicopter models? Did he also select the ammo? It was widely reported that Carter was involved in all of the decision making, to the point of being disruptive. Carter's micro managing was so pervasive and so public that it made it to Saturday Night Live. Total nonsense. Carter didn't pick the helicopters or the crew. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. ... and you know this how? It is a fact that Carter was intimately involved in these decisions, to the point of meddling. Blair was at the pentagon, were you? |
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On Thu, 05 May 2011 17:06:38 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 13:46:22 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 13:51:35 -0400, wrote: So, therefore, someone who's proven to be incompetent, should be believed. Nobody questioned Blair's "competence". There was just a policy disagreement about sharing intel with the French. If you disagree with the CnC you have to go. Huh? Lots and lots of people have. Good grief. Look it up! You will have to cite that. I can certainly give you dozens of examples of people who were fired for disagreeing with the president, any president. Try Google... http://davidswanson.org/node/2443 http://www.rsm.ac.uk/media/pr222.php http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15514.htm For a start. As usual, you refuse to even look stuff up on your own. Carter was evil and/or incompetent, Yes, in DC terms he was incompetent. He did not understand how things worked and did not really accomplish much. even though he got more done legislatively than just about any other president. Huh? More than LBJ? More than Nixon? FDR? You are going to have to explain that one. Even Carter says his main achievement was Camp David Huh... read up.... http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1 You must not have even read the article you cited. I saw no significant legislative things there. They talk a lot about the foreign policy things, mostly Camp David, that I pointed out, Salt II and giving away the Panama canal. That is nothing compared to FDR, LBJ or Nixon's LEGISLATIVE accomplishments and that is what you were talking about. Try again. This time read slower. I did. Now enlighten us and quote the part I missed in that article. Are you referring to the nebulous comments about reorganizing some federal departments? That is executive, not legislative and was really just changing some signs. Enlighten yourself. You appear to need it. You cited an article with absolutely ZERO references to legislative achievements and now you are ducking the question with a personal attack. Try again. There are plenty listed. Many of the Carter administration's most noteworthy accomplishments came in the field of foreign affairs. President Carter established full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and made good on a long-standing American promise to return control of the Panama Canal to the Panamanians. After negotiating the necessary treaties with Panama, Carter prevailed in an exceptionally contentious ratification fight in the Senate. So he gave away the Panama canal. I gave you that. That was not really legislative. The house was not involved at all. He pushed a ratification through a democratically controlled Senate. Not exactly the creation of the EPA/OSHA et al, the Civil Rights act or the New Deal is it? •Panama Canal treaties •Camp David Accords •treaty of peace between Egypt and Israel •the SALT II treaty with the Soviet Union •establishment of U.S. diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China •comprehensive energy program conducted by a new Department of Energy •deregulation in energy, transportation, communications, and finance •educational programs under a new Department of Education •environmental protection legislation, including the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act. http://books.google.com/books?id=TNu...page&q&f=false or http://tinyurl.com/3qkjoux The outstanding achievement of the Carter presidency was the peace settlement between Israel and Egypt. Over 13 days of meetings at the presidential retreat, Camp David, Carter persuaded President Anwar Sadat of Egypt and Prime Minister Menachem Begin of Israel to end the 31-year state of war between their countries. Egypt was the first of Israel's Arab neighbors to make peace with the Jewish state. Israel ended its occupation of the Sinai peninsula and returned control of the territory to Egypt. That was not Legislative in any sense. President Carter also negotiated a Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT II) with the Soviet Union, but before the Senate could vote to ratify the treaty, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and Carter withdrew the treaty from consideration. The two superpowers agreed informally to abide by the terms of the treaty, even though neither side ever ratified it officially. The Senate "could not vote..." How is that a "legislative accomplishment? It certainly does not rise to the level of "he got more done legislatively than just about any other president" ... Your assertion. Still waiting Wait no longer. |
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On Thu, 05 May 2011 20:01:51 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 16:16:56 -0700, wrote: Whooo... Carter was responsible for the Exxon Valdez! I knew it. He was certainly responsible for the Alaska oil fields. It was part of his plan for energy independence ... for better or worse. I suppose that is an accomplishment we forgot. If he plan could have been implemented, we would be in much better shape. A lot of progress was made, then we regressed. |
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