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OT; Green is not always good.
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:09:11 -0400, Harryk
sent the following message I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... In articlesrKdnQox1YQ3MiTQnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 28/04/2011 6:53 AM, Harryk wrote: I'm putting together a new server and was about to order four 2-terabyte Western Digital "Green" enterprise hard drives for it. I've never really thought about why these drives are called "green," other than they are supposed to use less power than "non-green" drives. Obviously, they do this by shutting the drive down when it isn't being accessed. Apparently, though, when you use "green" drives in a server, you end up with a dramatically high Load/UnLoad Cycle Count, and this can lead to premature ejac-, er, drive failure. There is a way to turn off the "green" on the WD drives, by adjusting the drive's idle timer to lower the Load/Unload cycle rate, but it is a pain in the ass, involving preparing a DOS boot disk, installing the drive in a computer, and running a program. Not difficult, but I don't have a "Windoze" computer anymore that can boot up into DOS. :) I'm guessing the "green" drives of other vendors will behave similarly. Sheesh, I never learned any of this stuff in my college English classes. Even an O.F. like me is not too old to learn. Failure of drives is exclusive to the (lack of) quality of the drives. How much power they use is not a factor. If anything, lower power, less heat and slower access times for less vibration should actually be better. I would use Seagate drives. And forget DOS/MS products. Use Linux. Ubuntu or Fedora. No way to turn off green, they run slower, consume less juice by design. Use HW RAID on the boot disks if the mobo supports it. Oh, just for your edification, I just ordered four Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 64 MB Cache 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drives, Model # ST32000644NS. The new server runs under LINUX, I believe. The company selling them has a nice interface for it. As for RAID, I'm still deciding what flavor to use. The vendor has something called Synology Hybrid RAID, about which I have just started to read. Crikey, it is dull stuff. You believe??? You bought it and don't know? What a moron! Harry is building this in his mind as he goes along and google feeds him his imaginary configuration. It's like the 6 year old in the lunch room making up new stories every day...snerk The new server and drives will arrive next week. When I get it and start populating the drive rack, I'll print up a little "Eat Me, Ingersoll" card, take a photo, and post it for you. I see Loogy is butting in again, questioning why I don't know what OS the server uses. As I stated, the server comes with a very nice interface, one that apparently precludes the necessity of typing in commands in the OS, which *is* Linux. My Macs have an OS based upon Unix, and I can't recall ever having to go into terminal mode to get something done. The same is pretty much true with Windows. So, what difference does it make what the OS is, so long as it is stable and the interface works properly? Linux, Unix, OS 10.6, Windows, Windows Server...it really isn't important to me. For the 1.2 persons out there who give a **** what the interface looks like...it loads a bit slow, but it is interesting: http://www.synology.com/us/products/demo/index.php It's very Windows-like: http://tinyurl.com/6ebu3es The nuts and bolts of the life of harry krause. How uninteresting. Do you have anything INTERESTING to share about boating. |
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OT; Green is not always good.
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 28/04/2011 6:53 AM, Harryk wrote: I'm putting together a new server and was about to order four 2-terabyte Western Digital "Green" enterprise hard drives for it. I've never really thought about why these drives are called "green," other than they are supposed to use less power than "non-green" drives. Obviously, they do this by shutting the drive down when it isn't being accessed. Apparently, though, when you use "green" drives in a server, you end up with a dramatically high Load/UnLoad Cycle Count, and this can lead to premature ejac-, er, drive failure. There is a way to turn off the "green" on the WD drives, by adjusting the drive's idle timer to lower the Load/Unload cycle rate, but it is a pain in the ass, involving preparing a DOS boot disk, installing the drive in a computer, and running a program. Not difficult, but I don't have a "Windoze" computer anymore that can boot up into DOS. :) I'm guessing the "green" drives of other vendors will behave similarly. Sheesh, I never learned any of this stuff in my college English classes. Even an O.F. like me is not too old to learn. Failure of drives is exclusive to the (lack of) quality of the drives. How much power they use is not a factor. If anything, lower power, less heat and slower access times for less vibration should actually be better. I would use Seagate drives. And forget DOS/MS products. Use Linux. Ubuntu or Fedora. No way to turn off green, they run slower, consume less juice by design. Use HW RAID on the boot disks if the mobo supports it. Oh, just for your edification, I just ordered four Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 64 MB Cache 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drives, Model # ST32000644NS. The new server runs under LINUX, I believe. The company selling them has a nice interface for it. As for RAID, I'm still deciding what flavor to use. The vendor has something called Synology Hybrid RAID, about which I have just started to read. Crikey, it is dull stuff. RAID 5 or RAID 10. Or just buy storage on the Internet. If your purpose is backup and recovery then having it at home is not what you want. You can't access it when you go somewhere else. |
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OT; Green is not always good.
BAR wrote:
In articlesrKdnQox1YQ3MiTQnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 28/04/2011 6:53 AM, Harryk wrote: I'm putting together a new server and was about to order four 2-terabyte Western Digital "Green" enterprise hard drives for it. I've never really thought about why these drives are called "green," other than they are supposed to use less power than "non-green" drives. Obviously, they do this by shutting the drive down when it isn't being accessed. Apparently, though, when you use "green" drives in a server, you end up with a dramatically high Load/UnLoad Cycle Count, and this can lead to premature ejac-, er, drive failure. There is a way to turn off the "green" on the WD drives, by adjusting the drive's idle timer to lower the Load/Unload cycle rate, but it is a pain in the ass, involving preparing a DOS boot disk, installing the drive in a computer, and running a program. Not difficult, but I don't have a "Windoze" computer anymore that can boot up into DOS. :) I'm guessing the "green" drives of other vendors will behave similarly. Sheesh, I never learned any of this stuff in my college English classes. Even an O.F. like me is not too old to learn. Failure of drives is exclusive to the (lack of) quality of the drives. How much power they use is not a factor. If anything, lower power, less heat and slower access times for less vibration should actually be better. I would use Seagate drives. And forget DOS/MS products. Use Linux. Ubuntu or Fedora. No way to turn off green, they run slower, consume less juice by design. Use HW RAID on the boot disks if the mobo supports it. Oh, just for your edification, I just ordered four Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 64 MB Cache 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drives, Model # ST32000644NS. The new server runs under LINUX, I believe. The company selling them has a nice interface for it. As for RAID, I'm still deciding what flavor to use. The vendor has something called Synology Hybrid RAID, about which I have just started to read. Crikey, it is dull stuff. RAID 5 or RAID 10. Or just buy storage on the Internet. If your purpose is backup and recovery then having it at home is not what you want. You can't access it when you go somewhere else. Every single work, photo, music, & movie file on the server will be accessible to me from "somewhere else." |
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OT; Green is not always good.
Harryk wrote:
BAR wrote: In articlesrKdnQox1YQ3MiTQnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Canuck57 wrote: On 28/04/2011 6:53 AM, Harryk wrote: I'm putting together a new server and was about to order four 2-terabyte Western Digital "Green" enterprise hard drives for it. I've never really thought about why these drives are called "green," other than they are supposed to use less power than "non-green" drives. Obviously, they do this by shutting the drive down when it isn't being accessed. Apparently, though, when you use "green" drives in a server, you end up with a dramatically high Load/UnLoad Cycle Count, and this can lead to premature ejac-, er, drive failure. There is a way to turn off the "green" on the WD drives, by adjusting the drive's idle timer to lower the Load/Unload cycle rate, but it is a pain in the ass, involving preparing a DOS boot disk, installing the drive in a computer, and running a program. Not difficult, but I don't have a "Windoze" computer anymore that can boot up into DOS. :) I'm guessing the "green" drives of other vendors will behave similarly. Sheesh, I never learned any of this stuff in my college English classes. Even an O.F. like me is not too old to learn. Failure of drives is exclusive to the (lack of) quality of the drives. How much power they use is not a factor. If anything, lower power, less heat and slower access times for less vibration should actually be better. I would use Seagate drives. And forget DOS/MS products. Use Linux. Ubuntu or Fedora. No way to turn off green, they run slower, consume less juice by design. Use HW RAID on the boot disks if the mobo supports it. Oh, just for your edification, I just ordered four Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s 64 MB Cache 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drives, Model # ST32000644NS. The new server runs under LINUX, I believe. The company selling them has a nice interface for it. As for RAID, I'm still deciding what flavor to use. The vendor has something called Synology Hybrid RAID, about which I have just started to read. Crikey, it is dull stuff. RAID 5 or RAID 10. Or just buy storage on the Internet. If your purpose is backup and recovery then having it at home is not what you want. You can't access it when you go somewhere else. Every single work, photo, music, & movie file on the server will be accessible to me from "somewhere else." Not if your house burns to the ground. |
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