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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane...  Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. |
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Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane... Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Flat bottomed lightweight rowboats don't need a lot of power to get on plane. |
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On Apr 23, 7:48*am, Harryk wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. I'm surprised nobody's died in Carlyle lake this year...yet. There's always someone who'se more knowledgable than the weather people, and feel a need to go out on a bad day and no life protection. Usually one annually. |
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On Apr 23, 6:23*pm, Harryk wrote:
Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene *wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there..... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. * The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. * My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. * We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. *It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane... Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. * ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Flat bottomed lightweight rowboats don't need a lot of power to get on plane.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Flat bottomed lightweight rowboats are not meant to get on plane at all idiot... |
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@mypacks.net says... John H wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:02:47 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:48:58 -0400, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/44ktuns Four guys from Pennsylvania were fishing for stripers yesterday, leaving out of Breezy Point Marina, where I kept my Parkers. 28' boat. The water was choppy, but not a problem for a boat that size. It began to take on water. One of the fishermen successfully swam to shore; the other three were plucked out of the water. Two of the latter died. Not many 28 ft boats carry life rafts but it looks like that is about the only thing that could have saved them. Some articles are calling the boat a 23'er and saying it capsized. If they caught a fish and four guys ran to the side to look over, I could see it capsizing in the choppy waters of the bay. Well, that makes more sense...trailering a 23-footer down from PA is more likely than trailering a 28-footer. Still...I was down a BP yesterday to talk to a couple of incoming fishermen, and while the Bay was choppy, it wasn't that bad. You could have gone out for a bumpy ride. The articles says the men rented a ship. |
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In article ,
says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane... Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane... Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. |
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Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane... Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. |
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In article ,
says... Harryk wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:23 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:47:37 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:14:17 -0400, wrote: I_am_Tosk wrote: Yeah, my Brockway is 7 feet wide, and 16 feet long, But being open it is all floor space. It's great for one and ok for two... Any more than that is just too crowded. As to handling our old Colombian was 20 feet and not too bad in a chop, but it had a real small cockpit so for crusing it was ok for 4, fishing, two was crowded... Does yours ride like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2cjhrxo That really looks like the loading ramp at Lake Jocasse.... and the weather looks almost as threatening as the last time we were there.... Poor guy needs to learn how to load a boat and trim an engine.... Yes, both. The boat is actually doing what it is supposed to do, just needs more weight in the bow and a tad more down-trim on the engine. My brother and I had a flat bottomed skiff like that on Lake Ontario when we were kids. We had a big slab of limestone that we'd put in the bow when going out with only one of us on board. It would plane out at 16 or 17 mph with just a 7 1/2 hp Merc. What the boat really needs is the proper sized engine for hull speed, which is what it is designed for. Not a big engine like this guy (and mine) to make it plane... Hull speed !? That's trawler talk for when you need to get 70,000 lbs of boat from point A to point B without using a king's ransom in fuel. ;-) Small boats are meant to plane - it's just a lot more fun. Real Brockways were designed to be pushed around by cheap single digit horsepower motors before light, high horsepower motors were widely available cheap... These "small flat bottomed rowboats" as harry notes, are not designed to move on plane. They were designed for close to home work and very shallow waters in the Connecticut and Housatonic rivers in CT.. Mostly by shad and scallop fishermen. They are not comfortable on plane and don't have skegs as originally designed, they are not "meant to get on plane"... On the other hand, they can get on plane of course but they are sketchy on plane, especially when the water isn't like glass... Most notable is the stories of chine walk and lost equipment Unless there is something peculiar about the bottom of a Brockway, it's just another flat-bottomed skiff-rowboat, and can be made to plane decently with the right power and load balance. When I was a kid, I messed around in dozens of flat-bottomed rowboats that could be powered up and made to plane with a 7-1/2 hp outboard. Everyone I knew at the beach had a rowboat with a small outboard. Naturally, because of their flat bottoms, they bounced in a chop. My favorites were an Amsbury dory and a nice plywood skiff made by a company called "Skimmar." The bottom of the Skimmar's bow was turned up a little. Both of these boats would plane with minimum horsepower and neither exhibited chine walk. BTW, here is a site with plans for a 14' Brockway... http://intheboatshed.net/2008/09/10/...rockway-skiff/ If you download the plans, you'll see the boat has a small keel, just like most other plywood flat-bottomed boats of this sort. I don't recall seeing many plywood skiffs or rowboats with skegs, but most did have a strip of wood running from the bow to the stern along the bottom. The strip provided a bit of directional stability so the boat would track properly. If you download the plans.. They are from someone else, not Earle Brockway. I have a set of the "only" set of plans for a Brockway, sanctioned by Brockway and given to me by the two Professors who put them together for him, there are two 2x6s laid on their sides as sacrificial skid planks, not skegs.. And because I have built and used boats directly from his plans I can tell you with certainty, they don't provide any directional stability.. But go ahead Harry, google some more stupid... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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