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Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 7:11 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleHs6dnccI4r3x1yjQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Corporations are not, like any individual, entitled to commit treason with impunity.... no matter how important profit is, to some self centered investors... How unAmerican of you, Gene! :) Don't you believe in corporations über alles? I believe we need to "restructure" certain aspects of our society, and part of that restructuring should be how we handle leases to explore and drill for oil and natural gas. There's nothing sacred about for-profit corporations. That model isn't working anymore for us. It's milking the middle class dry and accelerating the transfer of wealth to the very rich. There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance the government. The problem here is that Americans have been brainwashed into thinking the price-fixing, for-profit private sector that dominates the energy business is the only way to do that sort of business. This collectivization thing was tried before and it failed miserable. Also, government control of all industry has failed miserable too. Actually, every government before the governments we have today failed from one or more of corruption, idealistic corrupt socialism, power greed when government got to big and dysfunction...all resulting in their disappearing. Roman Empire comes to mind but tons of others too. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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On 25/04/2011 7:44 AM, Harryk wrote:
BAR wrote: In articleTtudndrW4ch87ijQnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... BAR wrote: In articleHs6dnccI4r3x1yjQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Corporations are not, like any individual, entitled to commit treason with impunity.... no matter how important profit is, to some self centered investors... How unAmerican of you, Gene! :) Don't you believe in corporations über alles? I believe we need to "restructure" certain aspects of our society, and part of that restructuring should be how we handle leases to explore and drill for oil and natural gas. There's nothing sacred about for-profit corporations. That model isn't working anymore for us. It's milking the middle class dry and accelerating the transfer of wealth to the very rich. There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance the government. The problem here is that Americans have been brainwashed into thinking the price-fixing, for-profit private sector that dominates the energy business is the only way to do that sort of business. This collectivization thing was tried before and it failed miserable. Also, government control of all industry has failed miserable too. Again, lack of education and deficits in your knowledge base of "current events" have done you in. As I stated, "There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance the government." Yeah right. Where is the line Harry, where is the line of good corporations and bad corporations? When does a corporation go from being a bad corporation to being a good lackey of the government? I'm not talking about the failed Communist states here, Bertie. But you think I am. Shouldn't the government be running all farming? Shouldn't the government be running al agriculture? What about fishing? Should we be paying mother nature in whatever currency she wants to take her bounty? Reductio ad absurdum. Although I do believe we need to be much more careful about the environment so that we continue to have a "nature" that produces bounty for us. You mean the flebagger empire where nothing gets done? Everyone shares having nothing? -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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On 25/04/2011 4:43 AM, John H wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:39:41 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:25:30 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:41:35 -0400, Gene wrote: Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those investments expect to earn a profit once in a while. "A profit once in a while.....?" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/business/01oil.html http://www.grist.org/article/2010-04...ution-while-am http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/news...xxon/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...anies/profits/ The oil companies and speculators are almost single-handedly preventing an economic recovery.... and they are being paid handsomely to do so..... and you are DEFENDING that? Incredible..... It's a very cyclical business and no one feels sorry for Exxon when they have stagnant growth, or even worse, when they fail to discover enough new oil to replace what they sold. Unfortunately that is what is happening. It is probably reasonable to assume that as their exploration and acquisition costs go up, and as their reserves go down, they will want a higher price for the product. In the interest of full disclosure, I own stock in both Exxon and Chevron-Texaco. Their annual reports make interesting reading and the future for energy prices is not good. Somehow, you are missing the reality that when Exxon loses money, the stockholders are ****ed..... when Exxon continues to make record profits in an otherwise miserable economy, they are sticking it to all of the users of gasoline.... one way or the other, the entire American population.... and to the entire American economy.... Gene, do you not think the drop in value of the dollar has had any affect on oil prices? Is it a coincidence that oil and gold are both hitting new highs? Has Obama had any affect on the value of the dollar? Remember...without corporations, there would be no unions. Then where would all the liberal whining come from? Oh wait, I suppose even a socialist government *could* allow unions. Obama has more influence than anyone else I know on the value of the dollar. But through his ignorance, and perhaps surrounding himself with clowns like Bernake and US Treasury idiots and corruption, well, maybe Obama just be stupid. In any casee, the more money you print the less money is worth. Money is just like a stock in a company, it is in fact stock in an economy. So if like a big company does a 2:1 share split to double the shares, the individual share decreases to about 1/2 of the previous value. Currency is no diffferent, you flood the market with more no-value newly created fiat money in a ponzi scheme, once it hits the market the money stock drops. Obama could coheres congress and say this is ponzi banking your up to, fix it. Problem is it is also why interest rates are so low. As if government had to borrow real money and not the ponzi fraud money, then it would have to pay enough yield to attract $1.6 trillion over spend. Interest rates would be high, 10% or more. So to keep the fraud low interest rates, government counterfeits its own currency. Primary cause of oil, gold, silver, copper, flour, other foods, gas going up...and the value of wages going down. Simple really, only fleabaggers think it would operate any differently. And Obama supports it. Right from day one, Obama was happy with the record debt spend and record counterfeiting going one. They have pooched the system and like Zimbabwe, I expect hyper-inflation due to currency devaluation for the next10 to 20 years. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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On 4/25/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. Where? |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:43:55 -0400, John H
wrote: Remember...without corporations, there would be no unions. Then where would all the liberal whining come from? That's easy. They'd have to look in the mirror and blame the first person they saw. After all it must be someone's fault that oil is running out and the primary producing region is politically unstable. Wait until they start rioting in Saudia Arabia. That's probably coming at some point. But for now, let's blame Harry unless it's really you John. You two guys live closer to Washington than anyone else I know. |
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On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote: Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall Street on many issues. face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn?? you right wingers are SSOOO stupid in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned by wall street How can China be Marxist and Capitalist. There are many apparent contradictions. Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios. The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause. Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply Side economics/govt. Corporatism. We seem to be receiving from both camps. Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible labor pool for both camps. is this utopia or what? It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society. Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer. And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world. Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities... As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was, in China and in other places. Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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On 25/04/2011 11:29 AM, Despot wrote:
On 4/25/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote: Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. Where? Well run to harryk is a sink hole for money, like GM, GMAC, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and others. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote: Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall Street on many issues. face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn?? you right wingers are SSOOO stupid in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned by wall street How can China be Marxist and Capitalist. There are many apparent contradictions. Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios. The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause. Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply Side economics/govt. Corporatism. We seem to be receiving from both camps. Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible labor pool for both camps. is this utopia or what? It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society. Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer. And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world. Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities... As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was, in China and in other places. Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:31 -0400, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:43:55 -0400, John H wrote: Remember...without corporations, there would be no unions. Then where would all the liberal whining come from? That's easy. They'd have to look in the mirror and blame the first person they saw. After all it must be someone's fault that oil is running out and the primary producing region is politically unstable. Wait until they start rioting in Saudia Arabia. That's probably coming at some point. But for now, let's blame Harry unless it's really you John. You two guys live closer to Washington than anyone else I know. I keep calling 'Bama and asking him to make the government bigger. I'm thinking he could take over the Lawn Maintenance and Landscaping services nationwide. Once he unionized them, he'd have more ardent followers. I'm not sure I follow the rationale that says we attack Kaddafi because he's attacking his people. What would our government and military do if a bunch of us started shooting soldiers? Would we get shot, or would 'Bama say we shouldn't be hurt? |
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On 25/04/2011 2:54 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote: Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall Street on many issues. face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn?? you right wingers are SSOOO stupid in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned by wall street How can China be Marxist and Capitalist. There are many apparent contradictions. Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios. The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause. Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply Side economics/govt. Corporatism. We seem to be receiving from both camps. Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible labor pool for both camps. is this utopia or what? It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society. Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer. And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world. Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities... As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was, in China and in other places. Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement. I lived in Norway for awhile in the early 80's. Great place to visit but I sure would not want to live there. Prices of stuff like a beer were more then than in the US today. As long as you don't burn gas, don't have a boat, don't drink or smoke, don't want a nice vehicle, don't mind 65% tax rate -- essentially working for the government without the benefits....Norway is for you. People are nice...but they are economically repressed. But that is the bad part. The good part is I can see the attraction provided the government isn't corrupt and you are a herd animal. And some of the governments in that area are not corrupt. That is, they don't bamboozle people retirement, work 40 years and it isn't there kind of crap that so many other governments are doing. Or should I say haven't bamboozled yet as invariably... Real problem here is trust in government. Given mankind's overall historical track records with governments, they all become corrupt in given time. I rather trust in my name, in my account and in may name for all matters pension. Saved my tail too, was out of NorTel in 1995 before the 3 write downs and a wipe out. Just wish I could do the same with CPP/SS. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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On 25/04/2011 10:09 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 24/04/2011 9:19 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: While big money buys elections, last I checked it didn't buy your vote. Money buys advertising, they pick the Rep and Dem ponies, but you often can vote for a third option. But you don't. A third option? Most of the "third option" candidates who run in this country are as bat**** crazy as you are. So did you run? I almost ran for public office once, when I lived in Michigan many years ago and was very active in the state Democratic party. And look at Michigan now. Sure left a fiscal mess between lefites and union fleabaggers. I know buddies who left Michigan, no future. Heck, if I was young, I would go to Brazil or Chile, happening places. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 2:54 PM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote: Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall Street on many issues. face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn?? you right wingers are SSOOO stupid in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned by wall street How can China be Marxist and Capitalist. There are many apparent contradictions. Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios. The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause. Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply Side economics/govt. Corporatism. We seem to be receiving from both camps. Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible labor pool for both camps. is this utopia or what? It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society. Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer. And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world. Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities... As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was, in China and in other places. Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement. I lived in Norway for awhile in the early 80's. Great place to visit but I sure would not want to live there. Prices of stuff like a beer were more then than in the US today. As long as you don't burn gas, don't have a boat, don't drink or smoke, don't want a nice vehicle, don't mind 65% tax rate -- essentially working for the government without the benefits....Norway is for you. People are nice...but they are economically repressed. But that is the bad part. The good part is I can see the attraction provided the government isn't corrupt and you are a herd animal. And some of the governments in that area are not corrupt. That is, they don't bamboozle people retirement, work 40 years and it isn't there kind of crap that so many other governments are doing. Or should I say haven't bamboozled yet as invariably... Real problem here is trust in government. Given mankind's overall historical track records with governments, they all become corrupt in given time. I rather trust in my name, in my account and in may name for all matters pension. Saved my tail too, was out of NorTel in 1995 before the 3 write downs and a wipe out. Just wish I could do the same with CPP/SS. My Norwegian friends are as middle class as it gets. Two of them own nice homes, one has two cars, the other one car. Their kids have either finished college or are close to it. They have no worries about medical bills or a decent retirement. Both are or were oil platform workers. One was seriously injured some years ago. and the government paid for him to attend college and sustain his family until he could earn a teaching degree. In this country, the injured guy would have been pushed to the curb and forgotten. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. gee. the US is a plutocracy, run by fundamentalist capitalists how is that marxist? |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:15:16 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:15:46 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:19:24 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: The fact that so many were blinded by liberalism debt greed, well, isn't a righties fault. Just envy on the left as many sold at the bottom when they should have been buying....but then again they had too much DEBT. more cliches any specifics? no. i thought not. you ahve glen beck and rush and all the right wing blather Bobby, have you gone through all 99 weeks of your unemployment yet? perhaps but fortunately for you and your family welfare goes on for a bit longer than that Funny. My paychecks are from corporations. The last time I get a check from the government it was for a tax refund. did they privatize welfare? that where you getting your check nowadays? |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:00:52 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:10 PM, wf3h wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:15:46 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:19:24 -0600, wrote: The fact that so many were blinded by liberalism debt greed, well, isn't a righties fault. Just envy on the left as many sold at the bottom when they should have been buying....but then again they had too much DEBT. more cliches any specifics? no. i thought not. you ahve glen beck and rush and all the right wing blather Bobby, have you gone through all 99 weeks of your unemployment yet? perhaps but fortunately for you and your family welfare goes on for a bit longer than that Welfare should be eliminated. If a person is truly disabled, there is disability. But welfare is an excuse to pay people to lay on their backs and have babies they cannot otherwise afford. If society needs such a function, perhaps government should take them in like sheep, breed a better quality and manage their lives. we should eliminate welfare for the rich before we touch it for the poor but the right wing would never go for that |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:57:40 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:25 AM, wf3h wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:19:24 -0600, wrote: any specifics? no. i thought not. you ahve glen beck and rush and all the right wing blather and NO specifics at all. none Funny, your own government screws you with letting banks screw up, and in fact government is one of the biggest delinquent debtors in the world and you blame wall street. HAHAHAHA he contradicts himself in ONE SENTENCE!! 'letting banks screw up' AND it's wrong to blame wall street? ROFLMAO!!! What do you mean by specifics? Stock symbols? Take your pick. 9/10 stocks or better bough Jan-Mar 2009 are now up big time. But does help when you pick some like TCK-B. But doesn't have to be that good to make money. how about elimiinating regulation of derivatives letting the derivative market go to SIXTY TWO TRILLION dollars do you READ your own ****?? Yep, while liberals and fleabagger were whining, crying, running with fear I cleaned up. first he says wall street SCREWED the country THEN he complains that people are mad about it and then he piles on his quaint, reader's digest view of economics no wonder the right ****ed this country Who has the largest debt in the world and hasn't make any serious repayments in over 3 decades? USA Government. Who indirectly sets interest rates? The government. Who said liberalized bad credit rules and low down was OK for the banks? Government. let's see ALL of that was done by the right ALL of that is due to supply side economics ALL of that is from the chicago school...the most right wing view of economics possible BUT, somehow, he blames it on liberals. does he cite A SINGLE specific policy? nope. a SINGLE action? nope. nothing. he has his reader's digest view of the world and that's all he needs he's right wing |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:26:13 -0400, John H
wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:31 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:43:55 -0400, John H wrote: Remember...without corporations, there would be no unions. Then where would all the liberal whining come from? That's easy. They'd have to look in the mirror and blame the first person they saw. After all it must be someone's fault that oil is running out and the primary producing region is politically unstable. Wait until they start rioting in Saudia Arabia. That's probably coming at some point. But for now, let's blame Harry unless it's really you John. You two guys live closer to Washington than anyone else I know. I keep calling 'Bama and asking him to make the government bigger. I'm thinking he could take over the Lawn Maintenance and Landscaping services nationwide. Once he unionized them, he'd have more ardent followers. I'm not sure I follow the rationale that says we attack Kaddafi because he's attacking his people. What would our government and military do if a bunch of us started shooting soldiers? Would we get shot, or would 'Bama say we shouldn't be hurt? You keep proving you're a racist asshole, actually. |
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On 25/04/2011 3:40 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 25/04/2011 2:54 PM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote: Canuck57 wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote: On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote: Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall Street on many issues. face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn?? you right wingers are SSOOO stupid in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned by wall street How can China be Marxist and Capitalist. There are many apparent contradictions. Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios. The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause. Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply Side economics/govt. Corporatism. We seem to be receiving from both camps. Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible labor pool for both camps. is this utopia or what? It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society. Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer. And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world. Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency. That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities... As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was, in China and in other places. Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement. I lived in Norway for awhile in the early 80's. Great place to visit but I sure would not want to live there. Prices of stuff like a beer were more then than in the US today. As long as you don't burn gas, don't have a boat, don't drink or smoke, don't want a nice vehicle, don't mind 65% tax rate -- essentially working for the government without the benefits....Norway is for you. People are nice...but they are economically repressed. But that is the bad part. The good part is I can see the attraction provided the government isn't corrupt and you are a herd animal. And some of the governments in that area are not corrupt. That is, they don't bamboozle people retirement, work 40 years and it isn't there kind of crap that so many other governments are doing. Or should I say haven't bamboozled yet as invariably... Real problem here is trust in government. Given mankind's overall historical track records with governments, they all become corrupt in given time. I rather trust in my name, in my account and in may name for all matters pension. Saved my tail too, was out of NorTel in 1995 before the 3 write downs and a wipe out. Just wish I could do the same with CPP/SS. My Norwegian friends are as middle class as it gets. Two of them own nice homes, one has two cars, the other one car. Their kids have either finished college or are close to it. They have no worries about medical bills or a decent retirement. Both are or were oil platform workers. One was seriously injured some years ago. and the government paid for him to attend college and sustain his family until he could earn a teaching degree. In this country, the injured guy would have been pushed to the curb and forgotten. Depends, if a worker in a potentially hazardous work like oil, don't do the job without LTD insurance -- your nuts not to. Not likely he had a boat eh? He gave it to the government to manage their lives. And pretty bad when their indigenous population is shrinking as people can't afford the 3 kids. If like socialist Canada, we are now below 1.5 children per family and falling. Not is all as it seems until you have lived there. I have. And one thing I have learned in _living_ in 4 countries is that our governments are all full of sh1t. Fear, ignorance and ego's rule... manage the herd... the real truths no one wants to hear. Hey, I am sure they have a lot to offer, but so does the USA, Canada, Mexico, Peru, Chile, Brazil, India, China just to name a few. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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On 25/04/2011 3:50 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:13 -0600, wrote: Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either. gee. the US is a plutocracy, run by fundamentalist capitalists how is that marxist? What a better way to foul up a good country with promise a lot liberalism, socialism and marxism combined with an inbreed party system of aristocracy that with money, picks them both. Rigged game, a ruse. People need more parties, less back pocket people to go to DC. Personally, I don't like either corrupt party be it Demwits or GOPers. In reality, Paul Ryan's budget stuff was nothing more than a stage show. Deflect the need for immediate cuts with BS. Right idea, but 250 times short of what was needed. Economically, the USA is hopelessly f--ked with government greed and corruption. I don't worry about true capitalists, many are leaving USA. The corrupt ones is the ones that screw you. Buy the leaders, present the ruse of an election. Make a 1/1000th effort at a budget cut that is meaningless in size..... Yep, the destruction of USA by the corrupt. So scary no one wants to tell the truth any more. The real answer is for like Belgium, shut down 80% of the government until the finances are fixed. Over 300 days now with most of Belgium's federal government laid off. Now many are saying it should be permanent and it might happen. You fleabaggers over estimate what big government really does for you and underestimate the negative impacts of big governments. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 3:52 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:00:52 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2011 8:10 PM, wf3h wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:15:46 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:19:24 -0600, wrote: The fact that so many were blinded by liberalism debt greed, well, isn't a righties fault. Just envy on the left as many sold at the bottom when they should have been buying....but then again they had too much DEBT. more cliches any specifics? no. i thought not. you ahve glen beck and rush and all the right wing blather Bobby, have you gone through all 99 weeks of your unemployment yet? perhaps but fortunately for you and your family welfare goes on for a bit longer than that Welfare should be eliminated. If a person is truly disabled, there is disability. But welfare is an excuse to pay people to lay on their backs and have babies they cannot otherwise afford. If society needs such a function, perhaps government should take them in like sheep, breed a better quality and manage their lives. we should eliminate welfare for the rich before we touch it for the poor but the right wing would never go for that Do both. Corruption from the top, or corruption from the bottom, both are bad and time to stop feeding the parasites. Get them off the backs of the middle class backbone of USA. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 9:16 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/25/2011 10:27 AM, BAR wrote: In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... BAR wrote: They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail. Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it usually gets its way. Go tell it to someone who will believe you. Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want to go to jail, either. Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you. When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future pensioned employees holding an empty bag. I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I have been funding my own retirement. All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption. Union corruption is notorious and rampant. http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update This is particularly disturbing. I wonder if Obama will sit down with the members for a beer and a chat? http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update Probably will. I am sure they contributed to the Obama get elected fund. Bought and paid for. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:10:07 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2011 12:19 PM, wf3h wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:25:11 -0600, wrote: which does nothing to address your bizarre statement that the US is 'anti business' and who do you vote for when the big money has idiots like you convinced that big money is big money because god wants it that way? How so? Byzantine paperwork and rules, let's see...the US has one of the least regulated economies on earth yet you make up more right wing bull**** about 'rules' or some other myths the fact is, wall street ****ed us. there's no way around that fact you can blame it on the easter bunny if you want but you cant wipe out the SIXTY TWO TRILLION in derivatives that wall street bankrupted the country with so go ahead. keep telling yourself your little stories. me? i'll play with the adults, thank you. need a law degree to even contemplate opening a business without being sued, fined, harassed... Then get a union up your arse like a stuck pig. Big hikes in utilities, taxes and more taxes. there are no unions in the US another right wing myth...blame it on unions... |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:47:14 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:46:42 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and risk for the many the right wing enables this by continuing to assert that the rich are rich because, in the US, you're rich because you 'work hard' or you're 'smarter' or some other such bull**** the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE shows this is WRONG. but the right continues to believe this MYTH No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust. and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more dead rich people. sounds like a great idea It was here money and she should be able to dispose of it any way she wants. gee. that really wasnt the topic, was it? |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:22:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote: No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust. and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more dead rich people. sounds like a great idea It was here money and she should be able to dispose of it any way she wants. What do you plan to do with your left over "fortune", give it all to the government? I sure hope so, they need it more than your children. Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor others. Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs. you right wingers have your stories and if this enables you to sleep at night be my guest |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:19:46 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 24/04/2011 12:27 PM, wf3h wrote: Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit? profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and risk for the many Only because a few are investing in USA. let's see. in 1997 CDS's were 320 BILLION 10 years later? SIXTY TWO TRILLION so you're just spouting more right wing bull**** do you EVER check ANY statement you make before you dump it here? it's SO easy to kick your right wing ASS with all the LIES you tell You dont invest in USA, you just whine. You want the wealth of an investor, but yet will not invest. and the investors cost the US economy TEN TRILLION in the last 2 years how'd that work out for the US? we doing OK? able to fund a big military to defend us against the chinese? wall street make the US big and rich and powerful?? I call them needy greedy slug fleabaggers. To envious and lazy to work for it, and don't even invest in there own country. Hey, you don't invest in yourself, you don't invest in your country, you just whine a lot -- well no wonder your are a loser. and if this little myth enables you to stop sucking your thumb, then i have pity on you....go for it the right wing enables this by continuing to assert that the rich are rich because, in the US, you're rich because you 'work hard' or you're 'smarter' or some other such bull**** the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE shows this is WRONG. but the right continues to believe this MYTH No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust. and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more dead rich people. sounds like a great idea More good than you will ever do. yeah after she got out of PRISON but because she's RICH you think that she's just fine she DEFRAUDED the govt while OTHER people were paying their taxes. so you ARE a SOCIALIST for the rich |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 9:20 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/25/2011 11:16 AM, OmDeFlume wrote: On 4/25/2011 10:27 AM, BAR wrote: In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... BAR wrote: They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail. Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it usually gets its way. Go tell it to someone who will believe you. Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want to go to jail, either. Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you. When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future pensioned employees holding an empty bag. I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I have been funding my own retirement. All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption. Union corruption is notorious and rampant. http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update This is particularly disturbing. I wonder if Obama will sit down with the members for a beer and a chat? http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update I intended for you to see the UAW video. You need to scroll down a bit to view it. Love that web site. Tells it how it is. Big time corruption. But not all of it belongs to UAW...they were in part used. Saudi bin Laden and big billionaires invest in Carlyle. Even Bush has ties there. Carlyle is a major player in GM and GM pension. See McCain and Palin honest people come in strong, back Obama for the black vote because he is a "friendly" to corrupt influences. So while Bush only gave GM $13B to keep them going, and corrupt congress/senate didn't scream misappropriation... well, Obama bailed them all out. Huge corruption. Same reasons some banks got the bailout and others did not, just depends who the big depositors and owners were. It is why government should never be used to tax and saddle debt on citizens for bailout corruption. BT, GM stock was suffering before Japan, so as the site says, GM's latest excuse. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 3:26 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:00:31 -0400, Wayne wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:43:55 -0400, John wrote: Remember...without corporations, there would be no unions. Then where would all the liberal whining come from? That's easy. They'd have to look in the mirror and blame the first person they saw. After all it must be someone's fault that oil is running out and the primary producing region is politically unstable. Wait until they start rioting in Saudia Arabia. That's probably coming at some point. But for now, let's blame Harry unless it's really you John. You two guys live closer to Washington than anyone else I know. I keep calling 'Bama and asking him to make the government bigger. I'm thinking he could take over the Lawn Maintenance and Landscaping services nationwide. Once he unionized them, he'd have more ardent followers. I'm not sure I follow the rationale that says we attack Kaddafi because he's attacking his people. What would our government and military do if a bunch of us started shooting soldiers? Would we get shot, or would 'Bama say we shouldn't be hurt? Kaddafi being attacked is as simple as three reasons. 1) Libya is a near zero debt central bank (like te US Fed) and solvent government. Like China, ignores the IMF fraud bankers policies. 2) Libya cheap oil 3) Euro/France colonial interests in above. He uttered nationalization. And possibly a 4th, when Obama called him up, unlike Egypts Mubarak, he told Obama to stuff himself. For if it is about democracy, why is Obama supporting armed minority al Qaeda associated militants when unarmed civilians are being shot by governments in Yemen, Behrain and Syria? Bet there are not too many leaders in the world that trust US foreign policy and Obama right now. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 4/22/2011 2:31 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Of course Obama blames "speculators" because that is ALWAYS the reason why gas costs anything. It is a bit like saying the sky is blue because it bluish colored. However, what Obama actually means is that in this context, "speculators" is a code word for "reaql Are you sure "reaql" isn't a code word for "speculators"? Gas is approaching $5.00 per gallon because supplies are tight and demand is high. That's the reason. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 4/23/2011 6:00 AM, Harryk wrote:
Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:53:50 -0400, wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:25:50 -0400, wrote: It's amazing how Americans have been brainwashed into believing that the world exists for corporations. It's amazing to me how some people have become brainwashed into believing that government can do a better job than private industry. I'm supposed to be impressed with private industry's achievements in the oil business, beyond sticking it to everyone? Maybe it's just me but I believe that expensive oil is a lot better than no oil. The world is awash in oil at the moment. No, it isn't. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 4:31 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:10:07 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2011 12:19 PM, wf3h wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:25:11 -0600, wrote: which does nothing to address your bizarre statement that the US is 'anti business' and who do you vote for when the big money has idiots like you convinced that big money is big money because god wants it that way? How so? Byzantine paperwork and rules, let's see...the US has one of the least regulated economies on earth Funny, I can think of many that this is not true. yet you make up more right wing bull**** about 'rules' or some other myths the fact is, wall street ****ed us. there's no way around that fact Think what you will. There is a reason why it took nearly a generation for Russia to come back, had to wait for the dead weight burn out effect to occur. USA is likely going to take the same, real recovery in say 2028 or so. In the mean time it will be choppy. you can blame it on the easter bunny if you want I don't blame anyone other than the corrupt. I follow it as I can't change it, and don't even try. Trick is to work with what you have. Same motivation as the greedy union guy but on the other side of the fence. I don't put my capital to work for nothing any more that the union guy pays to work there. We both win or the game if off. but you cant wipe out the SIXTY TWO TRILLION in derivatives that wall street bankrupted the country with I don't do derivitives, I am in fact since 2004 out of bonds, out of mortgages, out of anything lending money. Ok, I made some shorts on Citibank, bought a few undervalue banks for a wuick 6 month gain of 15%... but no long term holds at all. I wouldn't buy a t-bill for example. Dumped those in 2004. No money in lending money in these markets. so go ahead. keep telling yourself your little stories. me? i'll play with the adults, thank you. You have no money to play with adults, go back to gin or rummy. need a law degree to even contemplate opening a business without being sued, fined, harassed... Then get a union up your arse like a stuck pig. Big hikes in utilities, taxes and more taxes. there are no unions in the US another right wing myth...blame it on unions... Not all, they can share the blame with inept management and excessive environmental costs and corrupt, government in short. Spike it with ponzi currency inflation... Add them all up, why invest in a job producing business that depreciates? Why not just buy a few pounds of gold, or silver or mines that produce what people want, and of course oil -- that silver just crossed an all time high of $50/oz and gold too... Last I checked, I never saw precious metals go on strike. Management can't steal it if in my safety deposit bin. I can wait until the unions, management and government is hungry enough to seek win-win for my capital. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 4:33 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:22:31 -0600, wrote: On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote: No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust. and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more dead rich people. sounds like a great idea It was here money and she should be able to dispose of it any way she wants. What do you plan to do with your left over "fortune", give it all to the government? I sure hope so, they need it more than your children. Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor others. Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs. you right wingers have your stories and if this enables you to sleep at night be my guest I sleep quite good. Both the furnaces work well. (yep, the house is that big). -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 25/04/2011 4:37 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:19:46 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2011 12:27 PM, wf3h wrote: Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit? profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and risk for the many Only because a few are investing in USA. let's see. in 1997 CDS's were 320 BILLION 10 years later? SIXTY TWO TRILLION That happens when a nation runs on a decade of debt. Your point? Might want to think about all the inflation that represents. so you're just spouting more right wing bull**** Funny. Said like a true welfare recipient. You dont invest in USA, you just whine. You want the wealth of an investor, but yet will not invest. Not as much any more, less than 10% actually. Dropped much in 2004, again in 2006 and 2007. Good thing about money, it moves. and the investors cost the US economy TEN TRILLION in the last 2 years So? Buy low, sell high and the denialist Liberals take the fall. If you think a market is over valued, you sell out. how'd that work out for the US? we doing OK? able to fund a big military to defend us against the chinese? Chances are if you went to war with China, you would run out of gas. My money would be on China. USA can no longer afford war and have an economy. And with all the fleabagger greed, is HarryK and defumer going to give up their welfare for war? I call them needy greedy slug fleabaggers. To envious and lazy to work for it, and don't even invest in there own country. Hey, you don't invest in yourself, you don't invest in your country, you just whine a lot -- well no wonder your are a loser. and if this little myth enables you to stop sucking your thumb, then i have pity on you....go for it No pity needed, I am not the one stooping with my need and greed for big government welfare and bailouts. and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more dead rich people. sounds like a great idea More good than you will ever do. yeah after she got out of PRISON but because she's RICH you think that she's just fine she DEFRAUDED the govt while OTHER people were paying their taxes. so you ARE a SOCIALIST for the rich Hey, I didn't like the woman at all. Skag really. But she was incorrectly accused of being a right wing republican. More often than not, with some exceptions, the leftie fleabaggers are the real greedy. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:25:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/04/2011 4:31 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:10:07 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2011 12:19 PM, wf3h wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:25:11 -0600, wrote: which does nothing to address your bizarre statement that the US is 'anti business' and who do you vote for when the big money has idiots like you convinced that big money is big money because god wants it that way? How so? Byzantine paperwork and rules, let's see...the US has one of the least regulated economies on earth Funny, I can think of many that this is not true. when are you going to learn that every time you post some right wing bull**** like this you get ****ed?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...iveness_Report the US has the 4th most competitive economy in the world so another one of your reader's digest myths shot to hell yet you make up more right wing bull**** about 'rules' or some other myths the fact is, wall street ****ed us. there's no way around that fact Think what you will yeah i go with evidence you have your stories and myths. you can blame it on the easter bunny if you want I don't blame anyone other than the corrupt. I follow it as I can't change it, and don't even try. Trick is to work with what you have. Same motivation as the greedy union guy but on the other side of the fence. I don't put my capital to work for nothing any more that the union guy pays to work there. We both win or the game if off. there are no US unions and unions didnt suck TEN TRILLION DOLLARS out of the US economy like wall street just did so as long as you right wingers continue to wallow in the cesspool of right wing myth the longer is't gonna take countries to heal. but you cant wipe out the SIXTY TWO TRILLION in derivatives that wall street bankrupted the country with I don't do derivitives, I am in fact since 2004 out of bonds, no one gives a **** about your reader's digest stories you right wingers have all your little sewing circle stories liberals have evidence. but you're too much of a coward to face the truth so go ahead. keep telling yourself your little stories. me? i'll play with the adults, thank you. You have no money to play with adults, go back to gin or rummy. be my guest. if it makes you happy, believe what you want. it's just another way for you to rock yourself to sleep at night |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:39:53 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/04/2011 4:37 PM, wf3h wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:19:46 -0600, wrote: On 24/04/2011 12:27 PM, wf3h wrote: Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit? profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and risk for the many Only because a few are investing in USA. let's see. in 1997 CDS's were 320 BILLION 10 years later? SIXTY TWO TRILLION That happens when a nation runs on a decade of debt. Your point? uh no it doesnt it happens when the right wing abandons legitimate regulation of financial centers under the guise of 'smaller govt' then sits back and watches the rich bankrupt the economy it's not a 'nation' doing it it's a political ideology of right wing laissez faire fundamentalist capitalism married to a plutocratic theology AKA the american right Might want to think about all the inflation that represents. so you're just spouting more right wing bull**** Funny. Said like a true welfare recipient. hey like i said if it enables you to sleep at night funny...SOME economists told us the economy was gonna blow up...based on evidence and most dimsissed it and here you are. repeating the same mistake. yep. you're right wing You dont invest in USA, you just whine. You want the wealth of an investor, but yet will not invest. Not as much any more, less than 10% actually. Dropped much in 2004, again in 2006 and 2007. Good thing about money, it moves. and the investors cost the US economy TEN TRILLION in the last 2 years So? Buy low, sell high and the denialist Liberals take the fall. If you think a market is over valued, you sell out. liberals? george bush was a liberal? the congress in 2001 and 2003 was liberal? you're engaging in the 'no true scostman' fallacy. in your right wing mind, no matter WHAT the evidence says it's the fault of liberals how do you know this? you dont what's your evidence? you have none but you just keep bleating it and hope no one catches you but i just stepped on your tail no wonder you're bitching like a firghtened cat how'd that work out for the US? we doing OK? able to fund a big military to defend us against the chinese? Chances are if you went to war with China, you would run out of gas. My money would be on China. USA can no longer afford war and have an economy. And with all the fleabagger greed, is HarryK and defumer going to give up their welfare for war? i notice you IGNORED the FACT that WALL STREET caused this you bleat about the FAILURE of the US without knowing it was the fault of people like you. and continues to be the fault of the right wing I call them needy greedy slug fleabaggers. To envious and lazy to work for it, and don't even invest in there own country. Hey, you don't invest in yourself, you don't invest in your country, you just whine a lot -- well no wonder your are a loser. and if this little myth enables you to stop sucking your thumb, then i have pity on you....go for it No pity needed, I am not the one stooping with my need and greed for big government welfare and bailouts. HAHAHAH welfare bailouts...you are in FAVOR of these for the rich and avert your eyes from the greed of the rich THEN you blame the non existent unions you shriek the US is a communist state and dont even KNOW it has the 4th most compettive economy in the world you just make up the **** you need to push your right wing delusions |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
"Harryk" wrote in message
m... BAR wrote: In articleHs6dnccI4r3x1yjQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... Corporations are not, like any individual, entitled to commit treason with impunity.... no matter how important profit is, to some self centered investors... How unAmerican of you, Gene! :) Don't you believe in corporations über alles? I believe we need to "restructure" certain aspects of our society, and part of that restructuring should be how we handle leases to explore and drill for oil and natural gas. There's nothing sacred about for-profit corporations. That model isn't working anymore for us. It's milking the middle class dry and accelerating the transfer of wealth to the very rich. There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance the government. The problem here is that Americans have been brainwashed into thinking the price-fixing, for-profit private sector that dominates the energy business is the only way to do that sort of business. This collectivization thing was tried before and it failed miserable. Also, government control of all industry has failed miserable too. Again, lack of education and deficits in your knowledge base of "current events" have done you in. As I stated, "There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance the government." I'm not talking about the failed Communist states here, Bertie. But you think I am. Reply: Nope, you are talking about Mexico. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Apr 25, 11:22*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote: Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor others. *Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs. c'mon man be rational and don't say stupid stuff like that. Of course he thinks of his wife. When she broke her hip, he sought out the best care for her. That's a fact. |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:56:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Apr 25, 11:22*am, Canuck57 wrote: On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote: Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor others. *Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs. c'mon man be rational and don't say stupid stuff like that. Of course he thinks of his wife. When she broke her hip, he sought out the best care for her. That's a fact. thanks tim...as always, a gentleman... |
Why gas is $5.00/gal
On 26/04/2011 4:13 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:56:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 25, 11:22 am, wrote: On 25/04/2011 6:47 AM, BAR wrote: Pretty obvious wf3h is skint, does not think of his wife, family nor others. Be lucky if he has enough to cover his funeral costs. c'mon man be rational and don't say stupid stuff like that. Of course he thinks of his wife. When she broke her hip, he sought out the best care for her. That's a fact. thanks tim...as always, a gentleman... Why do I not believe this. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. |
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