BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.

At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........

If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.


BertieBirther is showing off what he learned in his university-level
logic class...

Oh, wait...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:51:44 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:03:55 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:01:45 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:39:41 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:24:42 -0400, Gene wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.


At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........

Either way, it makes good sense.

NO... IT DOESN'T!

When you have to write a persuasive article using the following, you
are full of ****:

*The magician distracts the audience.....

*Democrats and President Obama should make David Copperfield
proud.....

*Is the Congressional Budget Office to be believed?

*And for the ultimate distraction, Mr. Obama paraded a group of
“doctors”.....

*Government pay medicine -- under any name you give it -- is immoral
for patients/citizens, and for physicians.

*No citizen would consider it moral to put a gun to his neighbor’s
head......

*The worst moral examples of course were the German doctors who were
forced to cooperate in death camp selections.

Lee Hieb is an Orthopaedic Surgeon, in solo private practice. Her
first-hand experience in medicine began in the 1950s, when she
accompanied her father on his housecalls in Iowa....

And I wonder what her father would think of her obscenely high fees
and a practice that is so focused on maximizing income, that
housecalls are not EVEN on the radar....?

You've found fault with the way she presented herself, not the facts of the article. And, you have
to admit there was a hell of a lot of deception going on.

We agree, there was deception... and it was all hers.... she didn't
cite one factual, quantifiable, supported statement... she played on
people's fears. If she had any proof... any real argument, she never
stated it... it was all about fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

In fact, she even made the point that it wasn't about facts, it was
about fearing some nebulous thing she characterizes as "government pay
medicine," whatever you call it.

John, really, there is a meaningful dialog to be had about this
subject, but this article is a textbook example of lies, deceptions,
and misinformation... our parents would (rightfully) have called this
Yellow Journalism.... would you have accepted this paper from one of
you students? No citations? No facts? No thesis? No logical
development? No conclusion? I think not..... this isn't even a proper
4th grade paper.... this is plain and outright deception .... nothing
but fear mongering.... Certainly not worthy of posting....

For this group it's totally appropriate.

John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:51:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:03:55 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:01:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:39:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:24:42 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.

At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........
Either way, it makes good sense.
NO... IT DOESN'T!

When you have to write a persuasive article using the following, you
are full of ****:

*The magician distracts the audience.....

*Democrats and President Obama should make David Copperfield
proud.....

*Is the Congressional Budget Office to be believed?

*And for the ultimate distraction, Mr. Obama paraded a group of
“doctors”.....

*Government pay medicine -- under any name you give it -- is immoral
for patients/citizens, and for physicians.

*No citizen would consider it moral to put a gun to his neighbor’s
head......

*The worst moral examples of course were the German doctors who were
forced to cooperate in death camp selections.

Lee Hieb is an Orthopaedic Surgeon, in solo private practice. Her
first-hand experience in medicine began in the 1950s, when she
accompanied her father on his housecalls in Iowa....

And I wonder what her father would think of her obscenely high fees
and a practice that is so focused on maximizing income, that
housecalls are not EVEN on the radar....?
You've found fault with the way she presented herself, not the facts of the article. And, you have
to admit there was a hell of a lot of deception going on.
We agree, there was deception... and it was all hers.... she didn't
cite one factual, quantifiable, supported statement... she played on
people's fears. If she had any proof... any real argument, she never
stated it... it was all about fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

In fact, she even made the point that it wasn't about facts, it was
about fearing some nebulous thing she characterizes as "government pay
medicine," whatever you call it.

John, really, there is a meaningful dialog to be had about this
subject, but this article is a textbook example of lies, deceptions,
and misinformation... our parents would (rightfully) have called this
Yellow Journalism.... would you have accepted this paper from one of
you students? No citations? No facts? No thesis? No logical
development? No conclusion? I think not..... this isn't even a proper
4th grade paper.... this is plain and outright deception .... nothing
but fear mongering.... Certainly not worthy of posting....

For this group it's totally appropriate.

You really ought to stop whining about others in here, Herirng. Your
behavior is no better than those about whom you complain.

On 19/04/2011 5:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.


At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........

If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.

Hey, what ever happened to choice? For those that feel the need for
government to manage their lives, say at 18 or 21 make an election.
Herd animal or independent human being?
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/04/2011 5:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.


At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........

If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.

Hey, what ever happened to choice? For those that feel the need for
government to manage their lives, say at 18 or 21 make an election. Herd
animal or independent human being?


In the absence of a national health plan in this country that covers
everyone, health insurance should be mandatory. How that health
insurance is provided is another question.

Unfortunately, we have a private insurance system whose goal is not to
provide good coverage at good rates, but to maximize profits, and, as
necessary, the patient be damned. Perhaps, someday, we shall outgrow
that sort of nonsense.

The citizens of most modern countries don't face bankruptcy when a
medical crisis arises. Too many Americans do.

Since World War II, we've wasted trillions of dollars on maintenance and
expansion of our military. If we had saved half that amount and spent it
on infrastructure, on investments in our futures, on health care for all
our people, we'd be a far stronger country than we are now.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/04/2011 5:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.


At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........

If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.

Hey, what ever happened to choice? For those that feel the need for
government to manage their lives, say at 18 or 21 make an election. Herd
animal or independent human being?


In the absence of a national health plan in this country that covers
everyone, health insurance should be mandatory. How that health
insurance is provided is another question.

Unfortunately, we have a private insurance system whose goal is not to
provide good coverage at good rates, but to maximize profits, and, as
necessary, the patient be damned. Perhaps, someday, we shall outgrow
that sort of nonsense.

The citizens of most modern countries don't face bankruptcy when a
medical crisis arises. Too many Americans do.

Since World War II, we've wasted trillions of dollars on maintenance and
expansion of our military. If we had saved half that amount and spent it
on infrastructure, on investments in our futures, on health care for all
our people, we'd be a far stronger country than we are now.

You are such a dumb ****... "Infrastructure, investment in our future"?
Sure, we have heard all that before, no solutions, just talking
points... dumb ****...

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article_vSdnSgaOKjxATDQnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/04/2011 5:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.

At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........
If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.
Hey, what ever happened to choice? For those that feel the need for
government to manage their lives, say at 18 or 21 make an election. Herd
animal or independent human being?

In the absence of a national health plan in this country that covers
everyone, health insurance should be mandatory. How that health
insurance is provided is another question.

Unfortunately, we have a private insurance system whose goal is not to
provide good coverage at good rates, but to maximize profits, and, as
necessary, the patient be damned. Perhaps, someday, we shall outgrow
that sort of nonsense.

The citizens of most modern countries don't face bankruptcy when a
medical crisis arises. Too many Americans do.

Since World War II, we've wasted trillions of dollars on maintenance and
expansion of our military. If we had saved half that amount and spent it
on infrastructure, on investments in our futures, on health care for all
our people, we'd be a far stronger country than we are now.

You are such a dumb ****... "Infrastructure, investment in our future"?
Sure, we have heard all that before, no solutions, just talking
points... dumb ****...



More investments in infrastructure, on investments in our future (you
know, science, technology, factories that produce goods people need,
health care), et cetera, leads to a better country for all with more
opportunities. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article_vSdnSgaOKjxATDQnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/04/2011 5:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.

At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........
If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.
Hey, what ever happened to choice? For those that feel the need for
government to manage their lives, say at 18 or 21 make an election. Herd
animal or independent human being?

In the absence of a national health plan in this country that covers
everyone, health insurance should be mandatory. How that health
insurance is provided is another question.

Unfortunately, we have a private insurance system whose goal is not to
provide good coverage at good rates, but to maximize profits, and, as
necessary, the patient be damned. Perhaps, someday, we shall outgrow
that sort of nonsense.

The citizens of most modern countries don't face bankruptcy when a
medical crisis arises. Too many Americans do.

Since World War II, we've wasted trillions of dollars on maintenance and
expansion of our military. If we had saved half that amount and spent it
on infrastructure, on investments in our futures, on health care for all
our people, we'd be a far stronger country than we are now.

You are such a dumb ****... "Infrastructure, investment in our future"?
Sure, we have heard all that before, no solutions, just talking
points... dumb ****...



More investments in infrastructure, on investments in our future (you
know, science, technology, factories that produce goods people need,
health care), et cetera, leads to a better country for all with more
opportunities. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

Talk, talk, talk... you have no specifics, just what MSNBC/GE told you
to say... You are a fat dumb creeper. You should have really finished
High School.

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleKvCdnQH7ePVQAzDQnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article_vSdnSgaOKjxATDQnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/04/2011 5:50 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.

At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........
If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.
Hey, what ever happened to choice? For those that feel the need for
government to manage their lives, say at 18 or 21 make an election. Herd
animal or independent human being?
In the absence of a national health plan in this country that covers
everyone, health insurance should be mandatory. How that health
insurance is provided is another question.

Unfortunately, we have a private insurance system whose goal is not to
provide good coverage at good rates, but to maximize profits, and, as
necessary, the patient be damned. Perhaps, someday, we shall outgrow
that sort of nonsense.

The citizens of most modern countries don't face bankruptcy when a
medical crisis arises. Too many Americans do.

Since World War II, we've wasted trillions of dollars on maintenance and
expansion of our military. If we had saved half that amount and spent it
on infrastructure, on investments in our futures, on health care for all
our people, we'd be a far stronger country than we are now.
You are such a dumb ****... "Infrastructure, investment in our future"?
Sure, we have heard all that before, no solutions, just talking
points... dumb ****...


More investments in infrastructure, on investments in our future (you
know, science, technology, factories that produce goods people need,
health care), et cetera, leads to a better country for all with more
opportunities. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.

Talk, talk, talk... you have no specifics, just what MSNBC/GE told you
to say... You are a fat dumb creeper. You should have really finished
High School.


You know, it isn't necessary for you to demonstrate more than once a day
what an empty-headed fool you are, little man.

So, you are opposed to spending on infrastructure, R&D, new factories,
health care improvements. No surprise.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:50:15 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:30:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

A good explanation. This was passed on to my wife by her doctor.


At least it came from a disinterested third party! Or not........

If government control of health services is good for society then
government control of all services is good for society.

That is a classic deductive fallacy.