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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:26:05 -0400, wrote: In articlew9Kdna3PJdOvqDLQnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:08:02 -0400, wrote: wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:58:26 -0700, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:20:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:03:43 -0700, wrote: I already told you, I expect a means test and raising the retirement age more than they already have. (it isn't 65 anymore, in case you haven't noticed) And, several people have already said that the "means" test already exists for SS in the form of taxes. Why are you saying this over and over? Boater also points out the means test only takes about 12.5 to 23% of the SS if you make over 32k. I am talking about a means test that will take a lot more of it as your income increases up to 100% So you want a 100% tax on SS? That's just plain weird. Sounds to me like you're not very familiar with regular income tax. Maybe you've been out of it too long. OK let me put this in a perspective you can understand. Do you think a person making over $250,000 a year in retirement should still get all of their SS? I don't. I haven't even applied yet, and I am eligible for the full amount, which is, what, about $2400 a month? No medicare, either. The top of the box for age 66 is $2366 if you paid in the max since 1966. (45 years). I only paid in the max for 30 years (66-96), started drawing at 63.5 years and my check with single 00 withholding is $1506, Gross is 1772. At 66 that would have been a bit over $2000 as I recall. I have a statement around here from 2010 with the real numbers. I think it was $2400 if you wait to 70. Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. Actually, I'm not retired. I hope I stay in decent enough health to never retire. Since I don't need social security, I've not applied for it. When and if I do need it, I will apply. When my medical need$ start ta$king my union health insurance plan, I'll request being dropped from it and get Medicare. I have, after all, been paying into the federal system(s) a long, long time. :) |
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In , says... Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. But, the government is here to help you. There's no doubt in my mind that the United States will, within the next 20 years, have a decent, government-sponsored health care plan that will cover everyone who lives here. The effort has been helped some by the Ryan plan to destroy Medicare and the fact that virtually all Republicans jumped aboard that particular ship to disaster. Recent legitimate surveys show that even the majority of teahadists don't want Medicare to go away. And what is Medicare but one of those danged "socialist" programs. Gotta love it. We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I don't see anything morally wrong in doing to the very wealthy what they have been doing to the rest of the country since the 1980s. |
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@mypacks.net says... BAR wrote: In , says... Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. But, the government is here to help you. There's no doubt in my mind that the United States will, within the next 20 years, have a decent, government-sponsored health care plan that will cover everyone who lives here. The effort has been helped some by the Ryan plan to destroy Medicare and the fact that virtually all Republicans jumped aboard that particular ship to disaster. Recent legitimate surveys show that even the majority of teahadists don't want Medicare to go away. And what is Medicare but one of those danged "socialist" programs. Gotta love it. We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I don't see anything morally wrong in doing to the very wealthy what they have been doing to the rest of the country since the 1980s. Unless the nanny state is reversed there will be non United States of America in 20 years. |
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Obama endorses slavery
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In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... BAR wrote: In , says... Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. But, the government is here to help you. There's no doubt in my mind that the United States will, within the next 20 years, have a decent, government-sponsored health care plan that will cover everyone who lives here. The effort has been helped some by the Ryan plan to destroy Medicare and the fact that virtually all Republicans jumped aboard that particular ship to disaster. Recent legitimate surveys show that even the majority of teahadists don't want Medicare to go away. And what is Medicare but one of those danged "socialist" programs. Gotta love it. We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I don't see anything morally wrong in doing to the very wealthy what they have been doing to the rest of the country since the 1980s. Unless the nanny state is reversed there will be non United States of America in 20 years. Most of the modern nations in this world provide health care to their inhabitants. We could and should, too. All it will take is drastically cutting the funds we are wasting on military adventurism, raising taxes on the wealthy, cutting waste in health care expenditures, and restructuring our national priorities so they serve ordinary Americans *first*. |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:41:43 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , payer3389 says... BAR wrote: In , says... Yeah, my annual statement from SS has a number like that...just under $2400. I suppose I'll sign up for the monthly check when I'm...old. :) If my medical bills rise, I'll have myself removed from my union's plan so I can sign up for Medicare. I don't want to stick my union's health fund with big bills. If you are eligible you should take the money now and invest it. Harry put his finger on it. His union "cadillac plan" is better than Medicare and he knows he will have to lose it when he starts collecting SS. But, the government is here to help you. There's no doubt in my mind that the United States will, within the next 20 years, have a decent, government-sponsored health care plan that will cover everyone who lives here. The effort has been helped some by the Ryan plan to destroy Medicare and the fact that virtually all Republicans jumped aboard that particular ship to disaster. Recent legitimate surveys show that even the majority of teahadists don't want Medicare to go away. And what is Medicare but one of those danged "socialist" programs. Gotta love it. We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I don't see anything morally wrong in doing to the very wealthy what they have been doing to the rest of the country since the 1980s. Unless the nanny state is reversed there will be non United States of America in 20 years. Feel free to buy more guns. I'm sure that's your ultimate solution. |
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In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:18:41 -0400, wrote: We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I agree we spend too much on the military but if you cut it to zero, it would only cover half if the deficit. There are not enough rich people to make up the other $700B. You think all the deficit has to be paid down in one FY? I'm suggesting we cut the Pentagon by $100 billion a year until we're only spending $100 billion a year on the military, and using the savings to pay down the deficit and fund needed social programs and infrastructure rebuilding *and* increase income by making the wealthy pay a fairer share. So just how did you come to that number as a good number to supply our military? What will you do with all of the soldiers who will be out of the military and jobless? |
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says... In article , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:18:41 -0400, wrote: We should be concentrating on cutting back our miiltary expenditures drastically, to the tune of $100 billion a year, until we are down to a reasonable level. Half those savings can go to reducing the deficit and half can go towards funding needed social programs. That, and a serious tax increase on the wealthy, and we'll be out of the hole. I agree we spend too much on the military but if you cut it to zero, it would only cover half if the deficit. There are not enough rich people to make up the other $700B. You think all the deficit has to be paid down in one FY? I'm suggesting we cut the Pentagon by $100 billion a year until we're only spending $100 billion a year on the military, and using the savings to pay down the deficit and fund needed social programs and infrastructure rebuilding *and* increase income by making the wealthy pay a fairer share. So just how did you come to that number as a good number to supply our military? What will you do with all of the soldiers who will be out of the military and jobless? In all seriousness, harry could care less about them as most of them tend to vote republican anyway... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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