On 07/04/2011 5:48 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

Depends on how you calculate it. If you calculate it in devaluing
currency it is. If you calculate in value your imploding.

Value calculations show commodities expanding 4 times that of GDP. So
if GDP dollar growth is say 3%, and inflation is 12%, well, your
shrinking in value by 9%.

Forget dollars, they have no immutable value, just a piece of
depreciating paper. How many ounces of gold did you make last month?
How many barrels of oil or pounds of copper?

If you calculate it in hard constant value such as an ounce of gold is
an ounce of gold, the US economy is shrinking. That is, you never left
the depression on a value basis.

unemployment is down

Fewer people working, those that are make less with less benefits,
record numbers of over 6 months unemployed, fewer looking for work that
isn't there....

to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

We will see. But quite a few will never see middle class after their
wipe outs.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork.

gee. like the gov of wisconsin who broke the unions then gave a rich
buddy's son an 81,000 job?

I never said they were not corrupt. Heck, the entire government system
is corrupt and a giant fraud. just waiting for the big crash.

On 07/04/2011 5:46 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning

Only part of it is. Most people living there agree that they are better
off without the shut down departments.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important

So? Has it ever changed? Trick is to become rich. Save a little often
and avoid unnecessarily unproductive debt. Hell, I had my last debt
paid in ful in 1993. That is a long time to pay yourself and not the bank.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:31:09 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:48 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

Depends on how you calculate it. If you calculate it in devaluing
currency it is. If you calculate in value your imploding.

gee. ket's compare applies to apples, shall we? year over year GDP is
increasing. thanks to obama. he's doing a nice job of cleaning up the
white guy's mess


Value calculations show commodities expanding 4 times that of GDP. So
if GDP dollar growth is say 3%, and inflation is 12%, well, your
shrinking in value by 9%.

well unfortunately for you right wingers commodities are increasing
across the world due to the fact the chinese are now doing quite well,
courtesy of the american right wing destroying our economy and sending
all our manufacturing there.


If you calculate it in hard constant value such as an ounce of gold is
an ounce of gold, the US economy is shrinking. That is, you never left
the depression on a value basis.

meaningless. if you price it against a DEPRECIATING commodity then our
economy is exploding.

your calculation is meaningless


unemployment is down

Fewer people working, those that are make less with less benefits,

courtesy of the american right which has worked very hard to ensure
the middle class continues to pay for the rich

record numbers of over 6 months unemployed, fewer looking for work that
isn't there....

well no. record number working compared to 2 years ago



to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

We will see. But quite a few will never see middle class after their
wipe outs.

yep that's true. the american right has ensured th eincome and wealth
of the richest 1% was protected while the middle class paid for it

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:36:42 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 5:46 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning

Only part of it is. Most people living there agree that they are better
off without the shut down departments.

no one knows who 'most' people are. typical right wing drivel

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important

So? Has it ever changed? Trick is to become rich. Save a little often
and avoid unnecessarily unproductive debt. Hell, I had my last debt
paid in ful in 1993. That is a long time to pay yourself and not the bank.

trick is not to become rich. the rich prevent that. social mobility in
america is the worst in the western world

so much for the right wing

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:23:28 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

You're an idiot and a very uncreative liar. You have no stake in this
country and you can't even visit.

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On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:23:28 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

You're an idiot and a very uncreative liar. You have no stake in this
country and you can't even visit.

Why do you keep saying he can't come here. It's a lie you started long
ago that nobody but you and the Pedophile Harry Krause believes?

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 4/7/2011 10:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:23:28 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

You're an idiot and a very uncreative liar. You have no stake in this
country and you can't even visit.

De Plume, you have no stake in rec.boats other than to be a nuisance and
disturb the flow of boating information.

On 07/04/2011 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:23:28 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

You're an idiot and a very uncreative liar. You have no stake in this
country and you can't even visit.

Hey, I hold real currency, oil and precious metals. I can trade an
ounce of gold at the new price of oil. Me, I am not worried at all.
You being on fixed income/social assistance should worry a lot.

I must thank Obamanomics once again for this once in a lifetime
investment opportunity. There is a reason why richer get richer and
poorer get poorer. Keep voting Obama, I love this. Cha-ching. My oil
and precious metal investments both sides of the boarder just bought me
a F350 loaded after taxes.

On 07/04/2011 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:23:28 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

You're an idiot and a very uncreative liar. You have no stake in this
country and you can't even visit.

Hey, I hold real currency, oil and precious metals. I can trade an
ounce of gold at the new price of oil. Me, I am not worried at all.
You being on fixed income/social assistance should worry a lot.

I must thank Obamanomics once again for this once in a lifetime
investment opportunity. There is a reason why richer get richer and
poorer get poorer. Keep voting Obama, I love this. Cha-ching. My oil
and precious metal investments both sides of the boarder just bought me
a F350 loaded after taxes.

Canuck57 wrote:

Hey, I hold real currency, oil and precious metals. I can trade an ounce
of gold at the new price of oil. Me, I am not worried at all. You being
on fixed income/social assistance should worry a lot.

I must thank Obamanomics once again for this once in a lifetime
investment opportunity. There is a reason why richer get richer and
poorer get poorer. Keep voting Obama, I love this. Cha-ching. My oil and
precious metal investments both sides of the boarder just bought me a
F350 loaded after taxes.


Yawn. Any idiot can buy currency, oil and precious metal paper. If
you're buying paper, though, you're subject to the vagaries of
governments and manipulators all of the world, any number of which might
play with your paper assets. Real goldbugs have real gold.


Why would you want an F350? To haul around the bull**** you sling here?