The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

On 07/04/2011 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery. Just because the credit agency stops calling just
means the eye of the storm. Means they are working on foreclosure.

800,000 people living on a credit card isn't prosperity. Plus it
reminds the idiots if they don't start getting real serious and cutting
$1.6 trillion of waste real darned quick, they all might be sent packing.

Maybe Obama should roll back the 74% of his staff that got 9% raises or
more last year.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork. Perhaps it is time for government
slackers to see their banker like millions of Americans have had to do.
Might smarten them up some.

You're an idiot.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. That's all you've got.

It is for you, gas should be over $4 for you by now. That $5 gas
coupon, use it. Might not be enough for a gallon by summers end.

I have no worries, I only hold about 10% in USD currency these days and
might reduce it further in about a month. Because with all the fuss,
Congress is falling far short on the cutbacks. You need $1.6 trillion
not a piddly $30 billion.

So your in a debt spiral. You can' raise rates or it bankrupts people,
you can't stop printing inflation so inflation is going to be high.
Unions are going o be looking for the summer off. Your in for some
hurt. No need for me to participate.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

unemployment is down

to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

Hey, the system is loaded with pork.

gee. like the gov of wisconsin who broke the unions then gave a rich
buddy's son an 81,000 job?

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:48:29 -0400, bob wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

unemployment is down

to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

Hey, the system is loaded with pork.

gee. like the gov of wisconsin who broke the unions then gave a rich
buddy's son an 81,000 job?

Hey, Knuckles is right about one thing... inflation. Guess which
country is fighting it right now... wait for it... his friend and
mine..... CHINA.

On 07/04/2011 5:48 PM, bob wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:33 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600,
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!

You're so incredibly stupid it's hard to respond in a cogent way. You
apparently support dumping 800,000 people into unemployment right when
there's a glimmer of a recovery in process.

There is no recovery.

GDP is growing

Depends on how you calculate it. If you calculate it in devaluing
currency it is. If you calculate in value your imploding.

Value calculations show commodities expanding 4 times that of GDP. So
if GDP dollar growth is say 3%, and inflation is 12%, well, your
shrinking in value by 9%.

Forget dollars, they have no immutable value, just a piece of
depreciating paper. How many ounces of gold did you make last month?
How many barrels of oil or pounds of copper?

If you calculate it in hard constant value such as an ounce of gold is
an ounce of gold, the US economy is shrinking. That is, you never left
the depression on a value basis.

unemployment is down

Fewer people working, those that are make less with less benefits,
record numbers of over 6 months unemployed, fewer looking for work that
isn't there....

to the right wing this is a pity. it means the middle class may not go
into slavery after all

We will see. But quite a few will never see middle class after their
wipe outs.

Hey, the system is loaded with pork.

gee. like the gov of wisconsin who broke the unions then gave a rich
buddy's son an 81,000 job?

I never said they were not corrupt. Heck, the entire government system
is corrupt and a giant fraud. just waiting for the big crash.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:14:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/04/2011 2:29 PM, Frogwatch wrote:

The thing the statists fear the most about a govt shutdown is that
people may find they are either better off without the overbearing
govt or that it simply does not matter to them. This will reveal the
awful truth of how obsolete statism really is.

Belgium has shut down a major part of their federal government for 8
months or something like that. The majority of people are considering
making it permanent.

uh no. their parliament hasnt met. the govt is still functioning


So what if Johny with a zero credit rating and no job can't get a loan
from GMAC or Freddy/Fanny? Savings will be huge!


but the rich will still run america. and that, to the right wing, is
al important