The Mac26
 

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On 4/2/2011 10:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
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On 4/2/2011 8:58 AM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:35:46 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

No, I've never sailed one but I sorta like the concept.
Part
of
why
I
like it is just cuz it annoys some people who deserve to be
annoyed.
However, I own more boats than I need (I am down to only
8 at
last
count) so one that covers the same purpose of two might be
good.
I
have a sailboat for cruising and I do not expect good
sailing
performance while cruising except downwind and a bathtub
with
a
towel
for a sail will go well downwind. Sailing upwind for any
length
of
time is impressive for an hour or so but not a great way
to be
comfy,
I'll use the engine (with sails as an anti-roll) then and
if I
had
a
MAc26 would use her motor.
I own a 20' power boat specifically for exploring shallow
water
where
all the interesting things are and the Mac26 would fit this
very
well.
I don't need her to be a great powerboat as even 15 kts
seems
like
warpspeed to a sailor who is used to 5 kts.
My point is that a MAc26 not being either a "Good
sailboat" or
a
"Good
Powerboat" has no meaning at all to me as I simply do not
need
either
a good powerboat or a good sailboat. I do have need of a
trailerable
extreme shoal draft boat that is capable of more than 5
kts o
get
somewhere in a hurry if necessary but can be sailed at a
more
normal 5
kts most of the time. I think that most people who buy
Mac26s
think
the same thing.
So the Mac26 is spartan. My S2 is even more spartan. If I
was
not
so
used to my current boat and if I did not want to go
really far
afield
in cruising, I'd buy a Mac26.
There are folks in this world who think the only decent
boat is
*their* boat,
even when they don't have one. And, as they have nothing
better
to
do,
they
denigrate everyone else's boat.

In the case in question we had a drunk operator, with a
grossly
overloaded and
grossly under-ballasted boat that capsized. Therefore,
according
to
our resident
*expert* it's the boat's fault.

WAFDS!
What the **** do you know about boats, Herring? Answer:
next to
nothing.

For someone who has been around boats all his life you know
surprisingly
little. You are not qualified to judge John Herring on his
knowledge.
Seriously. Harry was just trying to be heard again. All he
has to
add
is
insults so that's what we get....

What's really funny is that you mooks don't realize how
inherently
unstable that boat is with its daggerboard/centerboard up.
Have any
of
you looked at the hullform? Did you understand what you were
seeing?
The
boat's like an oversized canoe in powerboat mode.

Morons.
Any boater or potential boater should be cautioned that Harry
Krause/Paul/A real boater, etc. has little or no boating
knowledge
of
any
significance. He has demonstrated over and over that he is a
klutz
when
it
comes to boat operation, navigating, line handling, and boat
upkeep/and
maintenance. At best, he is a pompous, blowhard, ass, much like
his
counterpart on rec.boats.cruising, Wilbur Hubbard and his many
sock
puppets
Irony meter pegs itself then erupts into flame . . .


Wilbur Hubbard


The object of your attention is just another of the many on-line ID
stealing morons that infect rec.boats. I filter him out.

I tend to read them all and examine the headers. One can glean some
interesting things from headers.

Like, for example, Jessica B's and emdeplume (not omdeflume) have
the
same
ISP, the same client, the same anonymous mail (hush.com). Could be
just
a
coincidence but not likely.

Wilbur Hubbard


It's not difficult to put whatever you want in headers.


Harry, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a user to forge the coded ISP (posting
host)
header using Eternal September. This is a server-generated header
and the
server will accept no substitutes.

emdeplum's and Jessica B's coded posting host headers are IDENTICAL
meaning
they use the same ISP.




You're assuming the posting host info can't be faked.





Negative, sarge! Here are emdeplumes headers from a post in this group.


I'm not that interested and, as I stated, everything in the headers can
be faked.

True, but faking headers is harder than the average idiot can do and
often something gives it away. But agree, never trust the source of a
newsgroup or email unless backed up with some signature based system
like PGP (Pretty Good Privacy).


Whether it is easy or difficult is not relevant to whether it can be done.

The Mac26
 

In article s.com,
llid says...

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On 4/2/2011 10:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says...
On 4/2/2011 8:58 AM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:35:46 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

No, I've never sailed one but I sorta like the concept. Part
of
why
I
like it is just cuz it annoys some people who deserve to be
annoyed.
However, I own more boats than I need (I am down to only 8
at
last
count) so one that covers the same purpose of two might be
good.
I
have a sailboat for cruising and I do not expect good
sailing
performance while cruising except downwind and a bathtub
with
a
towel
for a sail will go well downwind. Sailing upwind for any
length
of
time is impressive for an hour or so but not a great way to
be
comfy,
I'll use the engine (with sails as an anti-roll) then and if
I
had
a
MAc26 would use her motor.
I own a 20' power boat specifically for exploring shallow
water
where
all the interesting things are and the Mac26 would fit this
very
well.
I don't need her to be a great powerboat as even 15 kts
seems
like
warpspeed to a sailor who is used to 5 kts.
My point is that a MAc26 not being either a "Good sailboat"
or
a
"Good
Powerboat" has no meaning at all to me as I simply do not
need
either
a good powerboat or a good sailboat. I do have need of a
trailerable
extreme shoal draft boat that is capable of more than 5 kts
o
get
somewhere in a hurry if necessary but can be sailed at a
more
normal 5
kts most of the time. I think that most people who buy
Mac26s
think
the same thing.
So the Mac26 is spartan. My S2 is even more spartan. If I
was
not
so
used to my current boat and if I did not want to go really
far
afield
in cruising, I'd buy a Mac26.
There are folks in this world who think the only decent boat
is
*their* boat,
even when they don't have one. And, as they have nothing
better
to
do,
they
denigrate everyone else's boat.

In the case in question we had a drunk operator, with a
grossly
overloaded and
grossly under-ballasted boat that capsized. Therefore,
according
to
our resident
*expert* it's the boat's fault.

WAFDS!
What the **** do you know about boats, Herring? Answer: next
to
nothing.

For someone who has been around boats all his life you know
surprisingly
little. You are not qualified to judge John Herring on his
knowledge.
Seriously. Harry was just trying to be heard again. All he has
to
add
is
insults so that's what we get....

What's really funny is that you mooks don't realize how
inherently
unstable that boat is with its daggerboard/centerboard up. Have
any
of
you looked at the hullform? Did you understand what you were
seeing?
The
boat's like an oversized canoe in powerboat mode.

Morons.
Any boater or potential boater should be cautioned that Harry
Krause/Paul/A real boater, etc. has little or no boating knowledge
of
any
significance. He has demonstrated over and over that he is a klutz
when
it
comes to boat operation, navigating, line handling, and boat
upkeep/and
maintenance. At best, he is a pompous, blowhard, ass, much like
his
counterpart on rec.boats.cruising, Wilbur Hubbard and his many
sock
puppets
Irony meter pegs itself then erupts into flame . . .


Wilbur Hubbard


The object of your attention is just another of the many on-line ID
stealing morons that infect rec.boats. I filter him out.

I tend to read them all and examine the headers. One can glean some
interesting things from headers.

Like, for example, Jessica B's and emdeplume (not omdeflume) have the
same
ISP, the same client, the same anonymous mail (hush.com). Could be
just
a
coincidence but not likely.

Wilbur Hubbard


It's not difficult to put whatever you want in headers.


Harry, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a user to forge the coded ISP (posting
host)
header using Eternal September. This is a server-generated header and
the
server will accept no substitutes.

emdeplum's and Jessica B's coded posting host headers are IDENTICAL
meaning
they use the same ISP.




You're assuming the posting host info can't be faked.





Negative, sarge! Here are emdeplumes headers from a post in this group.


I'm not that interested and, as I stated, everything in the headers can be
faked.



Wrong! Depends on the server. Most servers are quite strict these days. Only
a few allow path pre-loads, for example. (Altopia is one of them but with
rules). One would have to find an open NNTP server that had no rules and
then use something like NewsMaestro to forge all the headers. Even so, the
NNTP server where it was injected would show up in the path after the
pre-load as no scripted instructions can alter a servers' stamp which comes
after the fact.

You are wasting your time arguing with the pedophile Harry Krause. He
defends any Fleabagger that comes by here. Especially when they are
really him;)

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

The Mac26
 

In article s.com,
llid says...


Like, for example, Jessica B's and emdeplume (not omdeflume) have the same
ISP, the same client, the same anonymous mail (hush.com). Could be just a
coincidence but not likely.


The deplum that posts here rags on the right-wingnuts.
Jessica talks civilly to you.
You're another right-wingnut.
Don't make sense it's the same person...unless she's a schizo.
Wouldn't surprise me much.
Look at you. Playing a man, playing a woman.
Pretending to be a sailor.
Takes all kinds. No point in being shocked.
Shock treatment might help a schizo.
Don't know about that though.

The Mac26
 

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 3, 5:01*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message

...



Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
*wrote in message
...
On 4/2/2011 10:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says...
On 4/2/2011 8:58 AM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:35:46 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

No, I've never sailed one but I sorta like the concept. Part of
why
I
like it is just cuz it annoys some people who deserve to be
annoyed.
However, I own more boats than I need (I am down to only 8 at last
count) so one that covers the same purpose of two might be good. I
have a sailboat for cruising and I do not expect good sailing
performance while cruising except downwind and a bathtub with a
towel
for a sail will go well downwind. Sailing upwind for any length of
time is impressive for an hour or so but not a great way to be
comfy,
I'll use the engine (with sails as an anti-roll) then and if I had
a
MAc26 would use her motor.
I own a 20' power boat specifically for exploring shallow water
where
all the interesting things are and the Mac26 would fit this very
well.
I don't need her to be a great powerboat as even 15 kts seems like
warpspeed to a sailor who is used to 5 kts.
My point is that a MAc26 not being either a "Good sailboat" or a
"Good
Powerboat" has no meaning at all to me as I simply do not need
either
a good powerboat or a good sailboat. I do have need of a
trailerable
extreme shoal draft boat that is capable of more than 5 kts o get
somewhere in a hurry if necessary but can be sailed at a more
normal 5
kts most of the time. I think that most people who buy Mac26s
think
the same thing.
So the Mac26 is spartan. My S2 is even more spartan. If I was not
so
used to my current boat and if I did not want to go really far
afield
in cruising, I'd buy a Mac26.
There are folks in this world who think the only decent boat is
*their* boat,
even when they don't have one. And, as they have nothing better to
do,
they
denigrate everyone else's boat.

In the case in question we had a drunk operator, with a grossly
overloaded and
grossly under-ballasted boat that capsized. Therefore, according to
our resident
*expert* it's the boat's fault.

WAFDS!
What the **** do you know about boats, Herring? Answer: next to
nothing.

For someone who has been around boats all his life you know
surprisingly
little. You are not qualified to judge John Herring on his knowledge.
Seriously. Harry was just trying to be heard again. All he has to add
is
insults so that's what we get....

What's really funny is that you mooks don't realize how inherently
unstable that boat is with its daggerboard/centerboard up. Have any of
you looked at the hullform? Did you understand what you were seeing?
The
boat's like an oversized canoe in powerboat mode.

Morons.
Any boater or potential boater should be cautioned that Harry
Krause/Paul/A real boater, etc. has little or no boating knowledge of
any
significance. He has demonstrated over and over that he is a klutz when
it
comes to boat operation, navigating, line handling, and boat upkeep/and
maintenance. At best, he is a pompous, blowhard, ass, much like his
counterpart on rec.boats.cruising, Wilbur Hubbard and his many sock
puppets

Irony meter pegs itself then erupts into flame . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

The object of your attention is just another of the many on-line ID
stealing morons that infect rec.boats. I filter him out.

I tend to read them all and examine the headers. One can glean some
interesting things from headers.

Like, for example, Jessica B's and emdeplume (not omdeflume) have the same
ISP, the same client, the same anonymous mail (hush.com). Could be just a
coincidence but not likely.

Wilbur Hubbard

Reread the Mac26 website. They say to power only with the tanks full
and board up

Whoops. Maybe you know a tad more than Krause. That's why he's ignoring you.

The Mac26
 

John H wrote:
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 3, 5:01 pm, "Wilbur
wrote:
wrote in message

...



Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 4/2/2011 10:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says...
On 4/2/2011 8:58 AM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:35:46 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:
No, I've never sailed one but I sorta like the concept. Part of
why
I
like it is just cuz it annoys some people who deserve to be
annoyed.
However, I own more boats than I need (I am down to only 8 at last
count) so one that covers the same purpose of two might be good. I
have a sailboat for cruising and I do not expect good sailing
performance while cruising except downwind and a bathtub with a
towel
for a sail will go well downwind. Sailing upwind for any length of
time is impressive for an hour or so but not a great way to be
comfy,
I'll use the engine (with sails as an anti-roll) then and if I had
a
MAc26 would use her motor.
I own a 20' power boat specifically for exploring shallow water
where
all the interesting things are and the Mac26 would fit this very
well.
I don't need her to be a great powerboat as even 15 kts seems like
warpspeed to a sailor who is used to 5 kts.
My point is that a MAc26 not being either a "Good sailboat" or a
"Good
Powerboat" has no meaning at all to me as I simply do not need
either
a good powerboat or a good sailboat. I do have need of a
trailerable
extreme shoal draft boat that is capable of more than 5 kts o get
somewhere in a hurry if necessary but can be sailed at a more
normal 5
kts most of the time. I think that most people who buy Mac26s
think
the same thing.
So the Mac26 is spartan. My S2 is even more spartan. If I was not
so
used to my current boat and if I did not want to go really far
afield
in cruising, I'd buy a Mac26.
There are folks in this world who think the only decent boat is
*their* boat,
even when they don't have one. And, as they have nothing better to
do,
they
denigrate everyone else's boat.
In the case in question we had a drunk operator, with a grossly
overloaded and
grossly under-ballasted boat that capsized. Therefore, according to
our resident
*expert* it's the boat's fault.
WAFDS!
What the **** do you know about boats, Herring? Answer: next to
nothing.
For someone who has been around boats all his life you know
surprisingly
little. You are not qualified to judge John Herring on his knowledge.
Seriously. Harry was just trying to be heard again. All he has to add
is
insults so that's what we get....
What's really funny is that you mooks don't realize how inherently
unstable that boat is with its daggerboard/centerboard up. Have any of
you looked at the hullform? Did you understand what you were seeing?
The
boat's like an oversized canoe in powerboat mode.
Morons.
Any boater or potential boater should be cautioned that Harry
Krause/Paul/A real boater, etc. has little or no boating knowledge of
any
significance. He has demonstrated over and over that he is a klutz when
it
comes to boat operation, navigating, line handling, and boat upkeep/and
maintenance. At best, he is a pompous, blowhard, ass, much like his
counterpart on rec.boats.cruising, Wilbur Hubbard and his many sock
puppets
Irony meter pegs itself then erupts into flame . . .
Wilbur Hubbard
The object of your attention is just another of the many on-line ID
stealing morons that infect rec.boats. I filter him out.
I tend to read them all and examine the headers. One can glean some
interesting things from headers.

Like, for example, Jessica B's and emdeplume (not omdeflume) have the same
ISP, the same client, the same anonymous mail (hush.com). Could be just a
coincidence but not likely.

Wilbur Hubbard
Reread the Mac26 website. They say to power only with the tanks full
and board up

Whoops. Maybe you know a tad more than Krause. That's why he's ignoring you.


D'oh. I'm the one who pointed out several times that the boat was
inherently unstable under power unless the ballast tanks were filled.

Moron.