On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value
religion cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big
enough to comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that
the bible did help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive
in the long term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.

On 3/26/2011 1:08 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.



"More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall
hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the
great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's
why all this has happened.

Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of
our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected
hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight
volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by
that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as
possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some
sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to
repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

What is more, the events of the Russian Revolution can only be
understood now, at the end of the century, against the background of
what has since occurred in the rest of the world. What emerges here is a
process of universal significance. And if I were called upon to identify
briefly the principal trait of the entire twentieth century, here too, I
would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat
once again: Men have forgotten God."

- Aleksander Solzhenitsyn

On 26/03/2011 11:08 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.

Agreed there. Roman Catholics for example, Popes favorite buddies are
mafia as they think they can buy their way to heaven. I really get a
snicker out of that.

That is why separation of church and state is a huge step for mankind.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 11:08 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people
die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.

Agreed there. Roman Catholics for example, Popes favorite buddies are
mafia as they think they can buy their way to heaven. I really get a
snicker out of that.

That is why separation of church and state is a huge step for mankind.

Well, though I am not Catholic, I do admire much of what certain popes
and certain nuns have done to improve the plight of the poor.

I don't have any problems with the old Mafia. Growing up where and when
I did, I knew the sons and daughters of some Mafia captains. Their
fathers were no less and probably more honorable than many of today's
corporate executives. The father of a girl I dated was in the Mafia. He
took me along on a family vacation trip to Florida when I was 16, and
wouldn't let me spend a dollar. That was my first trip to South Florida.

When I first moved to Kansas City for my terrific but low paying job
with the Kansas City Star, the night city editor suggested I find a
cheap apartment in the "Italian Mafia" part of town, because the "don"
there didn't allow street crime in *his* neighborhood. I took that
advice. I worked the night shift and didn't get home until 1 am. You
could leave your car parked at curbside with the keys in it, and it
would still be there the next morning.

On Mar 26, 12:24*pm, Despot wrote:
On 3/26/2011 1:08 PM, Harryk wrote:









Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?

If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.

"More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall
hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the
great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's
why all this has happened.

Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of
our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected
hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight
volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by
that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as
possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some
sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to
repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

What is more, the events of the Russian Revolution can only be
understood now, at the end of the century, against the background of
what has since occurred in the rest of the world. What emerges here is a
process of universal significance. And if I were called upon to identify
briefly the principal trait of the entire twentieth century, here too, I
would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat
once again: Men have forgotten God."

- Aleksander Solzhenitsyn

Yup!

Tim wrote:
On Mar 26, 12:24 pm, wrote:
On 3/26/2011 1:08 PM, Harryk wrote:









Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?
If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die
in the name of Christianity?
At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.
I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.
Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.
That's not responsive to the question.
My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.
Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.
Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.
"More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall
hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the
great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's
why all this has happened.

Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of
our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected
hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight
volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by
that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as
possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some
sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to
repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

What is more, the events of the Russian Revolution can only be
understood now, at the end of the century, against the background of
what has since occurred in the rest of the world. What emerges here is a
process of universal significance. And if I were called upon to identify
briefly the principal trait of the entire twentieth century, here too, I
would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat
once again: Men have forgotten God."

- Aleksander Solzhenitsyn

Yup!


As I see it, the problem is not god, it is religion and what man does in
the name of what or who he believes is god. The world, I believe, would
be far better off without what we call religion.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:41:23 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/03/2011 7:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:08:05 -0600,
wrote:

On 25/03/2011 6:15 PM, John H wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dUr1NxJDC94?rel=0

Muslims should move. In fact they should have not purchased the
property in the first place and done their homework. Telling the farmer
to move says it all.

But this is typical of Muslims, move in then assert "Sharia" crap. First
pigs, then people then law. Look at Muslim/Islam history, immigrate,
infiltrate then internment for the local culture.

If they haven't got their green card or citizenship, give them the boot.
They don't like us, and incidents like this are why we should not like
them. Or they might start making IEDs on American soil. Has happened
in Canada already in fact.

You're a typical racist.

Not racist at all, as Islam isn't a race, it is a cult. White and black
alike can join. But being a follower of Islam, they don't rate
respecting thy infidel neighbor too much. In fact, the infidel should
be enslaved. Many Muslim/Islam countries even have a "infidel tax".

Understanding Islam does not make me a racist. But pretty obvious you
are a good sheeples.

If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in the
name of Islam? This one point would turn any rational open minded
person to question Islam.

Islam was developed by a barbarian named Mohammad to form a civilian
army where church and state were one, against any invaders or outsiders.
Essentially the Koran is a doctrine of fascism and intolerance.

The real discrimination comes from Islam, a cult of intolerance and fascism.

You would make a good slave to Islam.

You're a racist and ignorant. That's not a great combo.

On 26/03/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 11:08 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people
die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value
religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big
enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible
did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.

Agreed there. Roman Catholics for example, Popes favorite buddies are
mafia as they think they can buy their way to heaven. I really get a
snicker out of that.

That is why separation of church and state is a huge step for mankind.

Well, though I am not Catholic, I do admire much of what certain popes
and certain nuns have done to improve the plight of the poor.

Lots of good people in the churches no doubt.

I don't have any problems with the old Mafia. Growing up where and when
I did, I knew the sons and daughters of some Mafia captains. Their
fathers were no less and probably more honorable than many of today's
corporate executives. The father of a girl I dated was in the Mafia. He
took me along on a family vacation trip to Florida when I was 16, and
wouldn't let me spend a dollar. That was my first trip to South Florida.

Sorry, mafia sin for 6 and repent with money on the 7th cannot be gods
way (provided you believe in god). More like the "image" and PR play.

When I first moved to Kansas City for my terrific but low paying job
with the Kansas City Star, the night city editor suggested I find a
cheap apartment in the "Italian Mafia" part of town, because the "don"
there didn't allow street crime in *his* neighborhood. I took that
advice. I worked the night shift and didn't get home until 1 am. You
could leave your car parked at curbside with the keys in it, and it
would still be there the next morning.

Yep, never cross the local mafia. Not good for ones health.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 11:08 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/03/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If Islam is a religion of peace, then how come so many people die in
the
name of Islam?


If Christianity is a religion of peace, then how come so many people
die
in the name of Christianity?

At last Christianity has a part about respecting thy neighbors. Never
saw that anywhere in the Koran. Even if it was in the Koran it
would be
superseded by the "infidel" parts as the Koran does very much classify
people in a preferential way.

I am an agnostic, borderline atheist. Personally the only value
religion
cn offer mankind is teachings of peace for those minds not big
enough to
comprehend more. I am not anti nor pro religion, just that the bible
did
help us mature as a species. But mature enough to survive in the long
term view, if falls very short.

Even various factions of Islam kill each other. You could win the war
just by letting them go at themselves. No US intervention required.

That's not responsive to the question.

My posit is that both Islam and Christianity are responsible for many,
many deaths, and that in regard to "committing murder" in the name of
their god, there's really no difference between the two.

Oh, and various factions of Christianity kill or have killed each
other,
for the sake of "their" interpretation of Christianity.

Christians like to claim a higher moral ground for their religion.
History says that's hogwash.

Agreed there. Roman Catholics for example, Popes favorite buddies are
mafia as they think they can buy their way to heaven. I really get a
snicker out of that.

That is why separation of church and state is a huge step for mankind.

Well, though I am not Catholic, I do admire much of what certain popes
and certain nuns have done to improve the plight of the poor.

Lots of good people in the churches no doubt.

I don't have any problems with the old Mafia. Growing up where and when
I did, I knew the sons and daughters of some Mafia captains. Their
fathers were no less and probably more honorable than many of today's
corporate executives. The father of a girl I dated was in the Mafia. He
took me along on a family vacation trip to Florida when I was 16, and
wouldn't let me spend a dollar. That was my first trip to South Florida.

Sorry, mafia sin for 6 and repent with money on the 7th cannot be gods
way (provided you believe in god). More like the "image" and PR play.


God's way? No one knows if there is a god or if there is, what god's way
might be. All we have is man's belief there is a god. There isn't an
iota of proof of the existence of a supreme being.