On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Your lack of serious, formal education is showing again, Bertie-Birther.
Even a two year degree from Montgomery College or whatever your
community college is called these days is more formal education than you
have. It must have been obvious to your parents that you couldn't cut it
academically in college, so your naval officer father suggested you join
the marines.

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott Ingersoll.

On 3/8/2011 8:33 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to
a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story

chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott Ingersoll.

BAR doesn't seem to get much "right" beyond of course his political
leaning.

In article ,
says...

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?

On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?



Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around.
Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks
you are a little kid.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?



Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around.
Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks
you are a little kid.

Get over it creeper, I am straight...

On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?



Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around.
Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks
you are a little kid.

Get over it creeper, I am straight...


Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height,
nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you
claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met
out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in
your tent, too?

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?



Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around.
Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks
you are a little kid.

Get over it creeper, I am straight...


Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height,
nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you
claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met
out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in
your tent, too?

You have some sick fantasies there creeper...

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?



Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around.
Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks
you are a little kid.

At least you admit you are one.

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In article , payer3389
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On 3/8/11 11:27 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articlet96dnQg8vdNJyuvQnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/8/11 10:32 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
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On 3/8/11 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 3/7/11 6:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2011 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:48:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 06/03/2011 8:41 AM, John H wrote:
....but not Christian churches? Shame on him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25762604/detail.html

Obama never learned about separation of church and state. Too busy
growing up as a Marxist Muslim.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Obama didn't spend the first 12 years playing baseball and going to a US
school with US history. Look it up bone head.



A. You don't know what you are talking about.

Barry Sotero attended a Madrasa in Indonesia.

B. You didn't go to any school, apparently.

Are you still suffering the stigma of only getting into a 3rd rate
school in the middle of the wheat fields of Kansas?


Here you go, **** for brains:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...,3358809.story
chicagotribune.com
Obama madrassa myth debunked

By Kim Barker

Tribune foreign correspondent

March 25, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia
Advertisement

When Barack Obama was a boy here, he studied for three years at a
religious school and prayed four times a day.

It was a Roman Catholic school. There, Obama was registered as student
No. 203. "Yes, he prayed, because all the students here had to pray in
the Catholic way--`in the name of the Father, [Son] and the Holy
Spirit,' " recalled Obama's 1st-grade teacher, Israella Pareira Darmawan.

Attention on U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia has so far
focused on whether he was a Muslim and whether one of his schools was a
fundamentalist Islamic madrassa.

Although his campaign has denied that Obama was a practicing Muslim, the
"Islam" issue is not likely to go away soon for the presidential
candidate. Some Americans link the religion with terrorism and see
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, as being an alien
place, a world away from the White House.

But initial reports have distorted the reality of the four years Obama
spent in Indonesia, from 1967 to 1971. In fact, Obama's religious
upbringing in Indonesia depended more on the conventions of the schools
he attended than on any decision by him, his mother or his stepfather.
When he was at a Catholic school for three years, he prayed as a Catholic.

When he was at a public school for a year, he learned about Islam.

Obama's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was much more of a free spirit than a
devout Muslim, according to former friends and neighbors. And the school
described as an Islamic madrassa in media reports actually was a public
school, so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students
were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.

Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was
in Indonesia, despite being listed as a Muslim on the registration form
for the Catholic school, Strada Asisia, where he attended 1st through
3rd grades.

At the time, the school most likely registered children based on the
religion of their fathers, said Darmawan, Obama's former teacher.
Because Soetoro was a Muslim, Obama was listed as a Muslim, she said.

The enrollment form from the Catholic school, which has been cited as
evidence that Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia, also was rife with
errors. It listed Obama as an Indonesian, listed his previous school
incorrectly and failed to list his mother, Ann, at all.

Mosque visits rare

Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in
1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."

In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather
to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro
usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later
for a Western oil company.

"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized
with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at
the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to
the mosque with Lolo."

Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited
in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with
Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed
about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during
1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim,
friends and family members say.

His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and
alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved
drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the
family," Trisulo recalled.

In his autobiography, Obama said Soetoro followed the same kind of Islam
as many Indonesians, "a brand of Islam that could make room for the
remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," the kind of Islam
that meant a man could absorb the powers of the animals he ate, such as
tigers and snakes.

Interfaith studies

In late 1970, Obama's family moved to another neighborhood, and Obama
enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, the school depicted
by several news outlets as an Islamic madrassa, or boarding school. The
school, founded in 1934 as a Dutch school, once catered only to Dutch
children and a few elite Indonesians. In 1962 the Dutch handed the
school over to the Indonesian government. At the time, the predominantly
Muslim public school was considered one of the best in Jakarta.

On a recent visit, a magician performed for the students. The girls wore
uniforms of knee-length skirts and no head scarves. Boys and girls
shoved each other on the playground. Weekly religious classes are
required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under
the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the
courtyard.

"The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said
Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the
Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room
teaching Christianity. It's always been like that. We are a public
school. We have always been a public school."

When Obama attended 4th grade in 1971, Muslim children spent two hours a
week studying Islam, and Christian children spent those two hours
learning about the Christian religion.

At holidays, the school made a practice of teaching students about
different religions. Students from all religions celebrated Christmas
with a Christmas tree and carols. They celebrated the Islamic holiday of
Eid al-Adha by handing out a sacrificed goat to the neighborhood's needy.

Photographs from the time show teachers in sleeveless dresses. The only
woman who wore a head scarf was the Islamic religion teacher.

"I was really trendy, for example, no sleeves, and miniskirts," recalled
Tine Hahiyari, 78, a Protestant who was the school's headmaster from
1972 to 1989. "When I taught sports, I wore shorts."

- - -

So, Bertie-Birther...as usual, you got it wrong. You should stop having
intellectual sex with Scott

Hey ****face! What's a convicted pedophile like you doing stalking me
Harry Krause?



Gee, Snotty, I dunno why a pedophile would be chasing you around.
Perhaps it is because you are so lacking in physical stature, he thinks
you are a little kid.

Get over it creeper, I am straight...


Your claim of being straight has nothing to do with your lack of height,
nor does it prevent you from being the target of that pedophile you
claim is stalking you. Maybe it is just the father of some kid you met
out on the kiddie motorcycle racing track? Have you *had* those kids in
your tent, too?

You have some sick fantasies there creeper...

Man, he is a sick, low life piece of ****, that's for sure.