On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:26:33 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:28:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:01:34 -0800, wrote:

Government should be the service provider of last resort for things
that no one else can do. Anything else is socialism.

For military, homeland security, police, fire, environmental
regulation, environmental disasters, mentally ill, poor people,
criminals.... All those things too?

You're suggesting that government should supply us with poor, mentally
ill criminals? Someone else seems to be doing a good job of that
already.

You're deflecting. You know what she was saying.

Of course he knows... he just doesn't want to embarrass himself any
further, so he made a funny.

On Feb 28, 12:15*am, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:26:33 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:28:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:01:34 -0800, wrote:

Government should be the service provider of last resort for things
that no one else can do. * Anything else is socialism.

For military, homeland security, police, fire, environmental
regulation, environmental disasters, mentally ill, poor people,
criminals.... All those things too?

You're suggesting that government should supply us with poor, mentally
ill criminals? *Someone else seems to be doing a good job of that
already.

You're deflecting. *You know what she was saying.

Of course he knows... he just doesn't want to embarrass himself any
further, so he made a funny.

You have not a cue how you look on this forum, D'Plume. Wayne and
Fretwell play you like a harp.

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:49:29 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Feb 28, 12:15*am, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:26:33 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:28:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:01:34 -0800, wrote:

Government should be the service provider of last resort for things
that no one else can do. * Anything else is socialism.

For military, homeland security, police, fire, environmental
regulation, environmental disasters, mentally ill, poor people,
criminals.... All those things too?

You're suggesting that government should supply us with poor, mentally
ill criminals? *Someone else seems to be doing a good job of that
already.

You're deflecting. *You know what she was saying.

Of course he knows... he just doesn't want to embarrass himself any
further, so he made a funny.

You have not a cue how you look on this forum, D'Plume. Wayne and
Fretwell play you like a harp.

If I was just picking low fruit I would point out Plume is a
facilitator of these evil corporations by litigating patents that
allow them monopoly power in the markets.

Why is Avastin 130 bucks a pill when it costs pennies to produce?

Genetech has the patent on it.

OHhhhhh BURN! LOL!

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 15:56:32 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:49:29 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Feb 28, 12:15*am, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:26:33 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:28:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:01:34 -0800, wrote:

Government should be the service provider of last resort for things
that no one else can do. * Anything else is socialism.

For military, homeland security, police, fire, environmental
regulation, environmental disasters, mentally ill, poor people,
criminals.... All those things too?

You're suggesting that government should supply us with poor, mentally
ill criminals? *Someone else seems to be doing a good job of that
already.

You're deflecting. *You know what she was saying.

Of course he knows... he just doesn't want to embarrass himself any
further, so he made a funny.

You have not a cue how you look on this forum, D'Plume. Wayne and
Fretwell play you like a harp.

If I was just picking low fruit I would point out Plume is a
facilitator of these evil corporations by litigating patents that
allow them monopoly power in the markets.

Except that your nit picking would be out of date. As I've said, I no
longer work for big companies.

Why is Avastin 130 bucks a pill when it costs pennies to produce?

Genetech has the patent on it.

Because there's no way to effectively negotiate a lower price.

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:23:17 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:32:59 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 15:56:32 -0500, wrote:



If I was just picking low fruit I would point out Plume is a
facilitator of these evil corporations by litigating patents that
allow them monopoly power in the markets.

Except that your nit picking would be out of date. As I've said, I no
longer work for big companies.

So you just create small monopolies for guys who want to be big
companies?

So, you think we should abandon the patent process. I guess you need
to read up on why we have one.

Why is Avastin 130 bucks a pill when it costs pennies to produce?

Genetech has the patent on it.

Because there's no way to effectively negotiate a lower price.

... because of patent attorneys.

Nope. It's all about lack of ability to negotiate a better price,
e.g., like letting Medicare do it?

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:56:05 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:25:27 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:23:17 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:32:59 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 15:56:32 -0500, wrote:



If I was just picking low fruit I would point out Plume is a
facilitator of these evil corporations by litigating patents that
allow them monopoly power in the markets.

Except that your nit picking would be out of date. As I've said, I no
longer work for big companies.

So you just create small monopolies for guys who want to be big
companies?

So, you think we should abandon the patent process. I guess you need
to read up on why we have one.

I can argue either side of this.
I can take this side or the one you make below in your second response

Try getting some facts and get back.



Why is Avastin 130 bucks a pill when it costs pennies to produce?

Genetech has the patent on it.

Because there's no way to effectively negotiate a lower price.

... because of patent attorneys.

Nope. It's all about lack of ability to negotiate a better price,
e.g., like letting Medicare do it?

You can't negotiate with a monopoly, what is your leverage?

Lower your price or I will do without?

I guess the VA doesn't do that then.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/122105cdpm1.htm

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:18:08 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:11:52 -0800, wrote:



Nope. It's all about lack of ability to negotiate a better price,
e.g., like letting Medicare do it?

You can't negotiate with a monopoly, what is your leverage?

Lower your price or I will do without?

I guess the VA doesn't do that then.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/122105cdpm1.htm

Who is stopping Medicare then?

Is it just that DVA is better than the bumbling bureaucracy at HHS?

Congress is stopping them. But, that can't be fixed, right?

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:40:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:02:03 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:18:08 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:11:52 -0800, wrote:



Nope. It's all about lack of ability to negotiate a better price,
e.g., like letting Medicare do it?

You can't negotiate with a monopoly, what is your leverage?

Lower your price or I will do without?

I guess the VA doesn't do that then.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/122105cdpm1.htm

Who is stopping Medicare then?

Is it just that DVA is better than the bumbling bureaucracy at HHS?

Congress is stopping them. But, that can't be fixed, right?

What happened between 2009 and 2011?
It was a democratic congress and the health care bill was passed in a
filibuster proof senate.

Which didn't include anything about letting Medicare negotiate prices.
A failure of both houses of Congress for sure. The Dems wimped out.

wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:49:29 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:


On Feb 28, 12:15 am, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:26:33 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:28:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:01:34 -0800, wrote:


Government should be the service provider of last resort for things
that no one else can do. Anything else is socialism.


For military, homeland security, police, fire, environmental
regulation, environmental disasters, mentally ill, poor people,
criminals.... All those things too?


You're suggesting that government should supply us with poor, mentally
ill criminals? Someone else seems to be doing a good job of that
already.


You're deflecting. You know what she was saying.

Of course he knows... he just doesn't want to embarrass himself any
further, so he made a funny.

You have not a cue how you look on this forum, D'Plume. Wayne and
Fretwell play you like a harp.

If I was just picking low fruit I would point out Plume is a
facilitator of these evil corporations by litigating patents that
allow them monopoly power in the markets.

Why is Avastin 130 bucks a pill when it costs pennies to produce?

Genetech has the patent on it.

R&D costs take years to recoup.