On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:02:51 -0500, BAR wrote:

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says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote:

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says...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

There are too many people involved.

The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..."

That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

I am all for making an example of someone and letting everyone know.



Yes, I know that's the humanitarian in you talking, but most people
aren't quite so arrogant.

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says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote:

If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national
priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran,
the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ??

For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along
with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting
gays over marriage.

That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts.
Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd
have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the
big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded
history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that
concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some?

VOTES!

Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights
for gays and are pro choice.

And most Gays know there are much more important issues to deal with
right now, like Obama's involvement in the insurrections in the middle
east.

On Feb 24, 7:32*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:27:29 -0800, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:07:08 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:27:14 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the
gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to
the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there
will be nothing left for court

Didn't it happen in the Indian Ocean, thousands of square miles?
That's my understanding. *There are hundreds if not thousands of
fishing boats out there, all looking a lot alike.

I think we have theater surveillance capability sufficient to plot and
track a lot of vessels. Once the operators get a feel for watching
them I bet they can profile out the mother ships pretty quick and
spend most of the effort watching them.

It certainly can't be much harder than tracking terrorists in the
wilds of Pakistan. These ships can't really hide in a cave and come
out somewhere else.

I agree, but I think Wayne has a good point.. in the scheme of things,
it seems pretty low priority. Not saying it shouldn't be done, but
these people clearly knew the risks. I believe they were warned more
than once.

It will be a low priority until they take a super tanker. Best case is
it is just a huge ransom, worst case, an Exxon Valdez sized (or
greater) oil spill somewhere they decide would cause the most trouble.

They already have. Two of them just very recently

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...l-tanker-haul/

On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote:

If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national
priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran,
the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ??
For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along
with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting
gays over marriage.
That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts.
Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd
have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the
big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded
history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that
concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some?
VOTES!
Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights
for gays and are pro choice.
Sez who?

In article ,
says...

On 2/24/2011 8:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:11:28 -0500, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:49:02 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:25:33 -0800, wrote:

If you were president how would you rank it on a scale of national
priorities compared to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, terrorism, Iran,
the economic crisis, the impending food and energy crisis, etc. ??
For people like this guy, it's one of THE most important things, along
with preventing women from getting proper health care, and fighting
gays over marriage.
That strikes me as another one of your knee jerk irrational posts.
Are there more women not getting proper health care than men? I'd
have guessed that it was probably split about 50/50. And what is the
big issue with gay marriage? For about 5,000 years of recorded
history marriages took place between men and women. Why has that
concept suddenly changed, at least in the minds of some?
VOTES!
Yes. Votes. Most people in this country are in favor of equal rights
for gays and are pro choice.
Sez who?

Not the polls, not the voters. The left just makes it up as they go
along.

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:27:14 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the
gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to
the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there
will be nothing left for court

Didn't it happen in the Indian Ocean, thousands of square miles?
That's my understanding. There are hundreds if not thousands of
fishing boats out there, all looking a lot alike.

I think we have theater surveillance capability sufficient to plot and
track a lot of vessels. Once the operators get a feel for watching
them I bet they can profile out the mother ships pretty quick and
spend most of the effort watching them.

It certainly can't be much harder than tracking terrorists in the
wilds of Pakistan. These ships can't really hide in a cave and come
out somewhere else.


Reply:
I think we are only going to put a halt to the piracy when we sacrifice a
few hundred hostages held in Somalia and drop some huge conventional bombs
on the home areas of the pirates. Let god sort out who gets to go to heaven
and who goes elsewhere. Make the penalty huge for piracy. We will not do
it because of the collateral damage but that is probably one of the only
ways to stop the pirates. Most of the ones we kill are minor players. Not
the chiefs who are taking 80% of the ransom. Or figure out who the chiefs
are and destroy there home area.

"L G" wrote in message
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I_am_Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607
@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says...

is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers)
with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with
the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s]
will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of
Egypt.

Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year
old holding a Glock at the gas station?

It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the
gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to
the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there
will be nothing left for court

If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight...

He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise?

Reply:
Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on
the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal
industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit.

On Feb 24, 7:31*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:02:51 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. :-)

It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

There are too many people involved.

The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..."

That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

I am all for making an example of someone and letting everyone know.

Yes, I know that's the humanitarian in you talking, but most people
aren't quite so arrogant.

D'Plume, you are agreeing with BAR? Amazing!

In article ,
says...

"L G" wrote in message
...

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In om,
says...

In article933d9a82-a0c4-4a54-9c0f-733d53524607
@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, says...

is that they are possible going to bring children (future buccaneers)
with them as innocent human shields. Shag a couple boats loaded with
the just and the unjust alike and sooner or later the world court[s]
will hear about it and then condemnation will hit like the swarms of
Egypt.

Is a 14 year old holding an AK-47 on a pirate ship the same as a 14 year
old holding a Glock at the gas station?

It doesn't make any sense. We know the DOD monitors every inch of the
gulf, they surely must know which mother ship a skiff came from. As to
the "world courts", if you vaporize the mother ship and skiffs, there
will be nothing left for court

If Obama wanted to, he could stop this overnight...

He could have closed Gitmo, too. Wasn't that his first promise?

Reply:
Close Gitmo, transparency of government. Neither are happening. Publish on
the web White House visitors list. He would not even reveal the coal
industry lobbyists under a FOI act suit.

That is because the meetings are being held off the White House grounds
and no logs of the vistors are being kept nor are the attendees of these
meetings being vetted by the Secret Service. Therefore the meetings
never existed.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:30:28 -0800, wrote:

It's a military prison is it not? You claiming that all those patriots
in such a place would try and kill him? Do you really believe that
he's got to be confined 23.5 hours per day and have the lights left on
24/7 in order for him to be safe?


That is pretty much SOP in a supermax

We can't have the guy committing suicide before we he gets the
opportunity to serve out his sentence, whatever it may be.