On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

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says...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

There are too many people involved.

The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..."

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:22:05 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote:

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says...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

There are too many people involved.

The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..."

That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

Those were different times and the circumstances are totally
different. That said, I do think he should go to prison for a long
time. He broke the law. I don't think he should be isolated and
perhaps psychologically tortured, which is what seems to be happening

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:30:46 -0800, wrote:

I don't think he should be isolated and
perhaps psychologically tortured, which is what seems to be happening

You're right about that. He should be in with a bunch of hardened
criminals like everyone else. There's only one problem: I don't
think he's gone to trial yet, and if he was locked up with hardened
criminals, he'd probably never make it to the court room.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:40:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:30:46 -0800, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:22:05 -0500, wrote:



That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

Those were different times and the circumstances are totally
different. That said, I do think he should go to prison for a long
time. He broke the law. I don't think he should be isolated and
perhaps psychologically tortured, which is what seems to be happening


If the stuck him in a marine "red line" brig like Portsmouth he would
long for the peace and quiet of his little cell.
I do think they should have charged him with something by now. They
can charge him with a UCMJ violation (like an article 134) that would
not prevent further federal charges and they would have a legal reason
to keep him locked up until Holder figures out what he is going to do.

The fact still remains, military justice is not civilian justice and
lots of things you think of as rights do not exist. That is something
they tell you on day one of boot camp.
This is still an improvement over the old "articles of war" the
military used to abide by.

Which has nothing to do with how he's being treated.

On Feb 24, 12:22*pm, wrote:


That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

you know good and well that Hoover would have.

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says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

There are too many people involved.

The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..."

That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

I am all for making an example of someone and letting everyone know.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:02:51 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:20:15 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. * :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

There are too many people involved.

The first problem is the "No ****, there I was..."

That is an internal problem in the US that should be addressed. Maybe
when that Manning kid gets 20 years in Leavenworth people will start
respecting the security clearances they have.
The "good democrat" president, FDR, would have had Manning shot by now

I am all for making an example of someone and letting everyone know.



Yes, I know that's the humanitarian in you talking, but most people
aren't quite so arrogant.

On 23/02/2011 11:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 23, 11:23 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:02:13 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:43:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


Especially when you do it by remote control and there are no TV crews
around to show it live on the 6 o'clock news. :-)



It would still get to the media Wayne. Seems like that stuff does
anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQp6mLUD_M

The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

Drones might be good to spot, but an Apache 30mm rounds might be cheaper
than missiles.

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Socialism is a great ideal as long as someone else pays for it. And when
no one is left to pay for it, they all can share nothing.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:56 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:07:19 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/02/2011 11:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:31:55 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


The best way to do this would be totally black. Never admit we did
anything. Let the pirates think Allah blew up their boat.
There is no reason they ever have to see the drone that tracked them
or the drone that fired the Hellfire missile

Drones might be good to spot, but an Apache 30mm rounds might be cheaper
than missiles.

If you are involving a pilot, an A10 is probably a better choice. Same
gun but you also have the capability for a lot of wing mounted
ordinance and you have a lot of range. They can also operate out of
primitive air fields like you might have in Africa or south Asia.
We have a buttload of them sitting out in the desert.

I'd be glad to take a six-week course in how to fly one!