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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15%
ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 1/31/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. I never had any fuel-related problems with my Merc or Yamaha engines. Frogwatch does not maintain his boats properly, so one can imagine how poorly he maintains his outboard. He also apparently has no external fuel filter on his boat, and probably doesn't change the little one inside his outboard. I know you try to make people here think you are the brightest person alive, but maybe you should do some reading. Ethanol in fact IS harmful. Try your hand at google. http://www.factsaboutethanol.org/200...d-boat-motors- dont-mix/ |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Jan 31, 1:42*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. *Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. *Even at marinas it is not often available. *Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Obama or not, I started a thread about this sometime ago and this does concern me about the use of the new 15% blend ethanol in two cycle engines. I have a sea horse 85 hp v-4 and a 115 hp v-4 as a spare. for my pontoon boat, but that's beside the point at this venture. What I'm concerned about is there are other uses for 2 cycle engines and in the winter I use a variety of chainsaws. My local stations still sell the straight petroleum and though watered down ( 87 octane) they do well with the oil/fuel mixture. But even the best blends of 2 cycle oil don't mix well with the ethanol, thus you can ruin a chainsaw or weed- eater or older outboard rather quickly. If the 15% blend does become standard, I'm not sure how the 2 stroke companies will be dealing with it, but I guess we'll find out. the 4 cycle marine engines shouldn't have any problem with it though. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 1/31/2011 4:20 PM, Spooker wrote:
In articleJ_udnfIOYJAxvdrQnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/31/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. I never had any fuel-related problems with my Merc or Yamaha engines. Frogwatch does not maintain his boats properly, so one can imagine how poorly he maintains his outboard. He also apparently has no external fuel filter on his boat, and probably doesn't change the little one inside his outboard. I know you try to make people here think you are the brightest person alive, but maybe you should do some reading. Ethanol in fact IS harmful. Try your hand at google. http://www.factsaboutethanol.org/200...d-boat-motors- dont-mix/ BS .Add water |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 1/31/11 5:36 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 1/31/2011 4:20 PM, Spooker wrote: In articleJ_udnfIOYJAxvdrQnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/31/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. I never had any fuel-related problems with my Merc or Yamaha engines. Frogwatch does not maintain his boats properly, so one can imagine how poorly he maintains his outboard. He also apparently has no external fuel filter on his boat, and probably doesn't change the little one inside his outboard. I know you try to make people here think you are the brightest person alive, but maybe you should do some reading. Ethanol in fact IS harmful. Try your hand at google. http://www.factsaboutethanol.org/200...d-boat-motors- dont-mix/ BS .Add water All my outboard boats since 1992 had external fuel filters and the last Mercs and the Yamahas had 10-micron filters. I never had any fuel problems. The 10-micron filters do their job. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 1/31/11 6:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:50:52 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. I never had any fuel-related problems with my Merc or Yamaha engines. Frogwatch does not maintain his boats properly, so one can imagine how poorly he maintains his outboard. He also apparently has no external fuel filter on his boat, and probably doesn't change the little one inside his outboard. There are lots of people who do have problems. I think it is because they don't use the gas fast enough and they don't have a good water separator/filter. There is always a conversation going on over at pontoon boats about that. Those boys do have a lot of trailer queens that don't seem to get used much. A good external fuel filter is not expensive. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
In article e3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291
@m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says... On 1/31/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. I never had any fuel-related problems with my Merc or Yamaha engines. Frogwatch does not maintain his boats properly, so one can imagine how poorly he maintains his outboard. He also apparently has no external fuel filter on his boat, and probably doesn't change the little one inside his outboard. That's because they were drive-way queens. Your problem was the rubber seals dry rotting. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, **** for brains. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/1/11 7:16 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleJ_udnfIOYJAxvdrQnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/31/11 3:47 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. He's just whacked out because Obama is black. I never had any fuel-related problems with my Merc or Yamaha engines. Frogwatch does not maintain his boats properly, so one can imagine how poorly he maintains his outboard. He also apparently has no external fuel filter on his boat, and probably doesn't change the little one inside his outboard. That's because they were drive-way queens. Your problem was the rubber seals dry rotting. This from an asshole who hasn't owned a boat for many, many years, if he ever owned one. Oh, and if my boats were "driveway queens," I would have been much more likely to have ethanol-based problems. If you had taken a few science courses instead of playing toy soldier, you might have known that. Your "Navy" family should have bitten the bullet and sent you to a Jesuit high school, where you would have learned to appreciate learning for learning's sake. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
In article , LilAbner
says... On 1/31/2011 4:30 PM, wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:45:33 -0500, wrote: On 1/31/11 2:42 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Oh, puh-lease. It is true that most manufacturers limit ethanol to 10% if you like your warranty. The Saturn had first one injector, then another, then they replaced the last two and yanked the fuel tank and entire system. They didn't offer a reason at the time but later a mechanic said it was ethanol, which was just getting into wide use at the time. They were getting ready to replace the injectors etc for a second time when it was replaced. Some Snot nose know it all's that tout the ethanol industry line really are funny. No, no. Harry says that ethanol is fine, so it's fine. End of story. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/1/11 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:09:02 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. Yes and something like 30 or 40% of the corn crop is now going into ethanol production. This is basically a federal subsidy to the mid-western farm states. A lot of analysis has shown that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it delivers on the highway. Yet another example of big government mis-management and political meddling. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:19:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:09:02 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. Yes and something like 30 or 40% of the corn crop is now going into ethanol production. This is basically a federal subsidy to the mid-western farm states. A lot of analysis has shown that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it delivers on the highway. Yet another example of big government mis-management and political meddling. And, as corn is a basic food of much of our beef, pork, and poultry, the production of ethanol hurts the major constituency of the Democratic Party - the poor. But, the best way to keep their support is to keep them dependant and uneducated. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
"John H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:19:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:09:02 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. Yes and something like 30 or 40% of the corn crop is now going into ethanol production. This is basically a federal subsidy to the mid-western farm states. A lot of analysis has shown that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it delivers on the highway. Yet another example of big government mis-management and political meddling. And, as corn is a basic food of much of our beef, pork, and poultry, the production of ethanol hurts the major constituency of the Democratic Party - the poor. But, the best way to keep their support is to keep them dependant and uneducated. Biden says "Hang in there" you Po folk. The freebies we promised are a comin. -- Ziggy® |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
Harryk wrote:
On 2/1/11 12:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:21:36 -0500, wrote: On 2/1/11 7:09 AM, BAR wrote: In articlee3d53c58-65b4-46df-b3f6-5f93c1f9e291 @m16g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says... Obamas EPA has ruled that refiners can be forced to produce 15% ethanol fuel. Of course, this will destroy many existing engines, Just try to find ethanol free fuel. Even at marinas it is not often available. Not only will this destroy engines, it will kill people whose boat fuel systems leak due to the ethanol, another case of WTF for Obama. Just what we need turning food into fuel. If you think Egypt was about democracy you are wrong it was about food prices. Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. You are. That's obvious to a blind man. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:09:43 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 2/1/11 3:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:17:11 -0500, wrote: Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? Fracking... that's not a great solution. There are all kinds of environmental problems. There was a great article in The Atlantic about coal. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...n-future/8307/ |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? Why not invest in something we can grow instead of ripping apart the earth's crust while spoiling the water table with toxins and dangerous gases? |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/2/11 12:31 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:09:43 -0500, wrote: On 2/1/11 3:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:17:11 -0500, wrote: Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big, multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber alles." |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? There are some experimental CNG busses running around in a few places. It works fine as far as I know but distribution is a big problem. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 06:30:35 -0500, Harryk
wrote: Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big, multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber alles." You should buy some stock in some of those big, multi-national corporations. It turns out that they are all owned by the people, people just like us. |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? It obviously doesn't buy Democrat votes. If it did, Obama would have mentioned it in his speech. |
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On 2/2/11 8:06 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 06:30:35 -0500, wrote: Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big, multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber alles." You should buy some stock in some of those big, multi-national corporations. It turns out that they are all owned by the people, people just like us. Right...small individual shareholders have the ability to control big, multi-national corporations, and Hollywood starlets call me all the time for dates. Big, multi-national corporations...that's why everything is working out so well. I prefer public ownership of the public's resources, the public's highways, the public's schools, the public's hospitals, the public's airports. et cetera. When "the system" favors only the rich, when the middle and lower income classes are regressing, when able-bodied, willing workers cannot find decent, family supporting jobs, all because of the greed at the top, it's time for serious, heavy duty change. |
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On 2/2/11 8:18 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? It obviously doesn't buy Democrat votes. If it did, Obama would have mentioned it in his speech. You're ever the moron, eh, Herring? |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/2/11 12:05 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 06:30:35 -0500, wrote: On 2/2/11 12:31 AM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:09:43 -0500, wrote: On 2/1/11 3:58 PM, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:17:11 -0500, wrote: Read up on cellulosic ethanol, Unfortunately virtually all of the ethanol made here comes from corn. That doesn't mean we're going to be forever stupid. Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big, multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber alles." Who do you think controls most of the farming? You are just trading Exxon for ADM but you can bet your ass Exxon would still be right in the middle of it. It doesn't have to be that way. We don't have to be under the thumb of huge corporations. I've stated several times that we need a major restructuring in this country, one that "rebalances" our economy so that it works for middle and lower income workers and families. I don't know whether that rebalancing will come about peacefully. In a future political climate it may be possibly to restrict the development and sale of alternative energy sources to small corporations or not-for-profit entities. In our lives here, we're not particularly restricted by governmental rules and regulations. The impact of large corporations is a negative in almost everything, and large corporations have their thumbs on almost everything. We've got to get rid of "corporate uber alles," or this won't be a country worth living in. |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:58:25 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 23:49:28 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? Why not invest in something we can grow instead of ripping apart the earth's crust while spoiling the water table with toxins and dangerous gases? Because we are going to run out of water long before we run out of oil. So, we should make the problem worse by using fracking? |
You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:06:28 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 06:30:35 -0500, Harryk wrote: Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. There are other agricultural alternatives to corn ethanol. If we come up with something, I'd like it owned by the people instead of by big, multi-national corporations. We need to move away from "corporate uber alles." You should buy some stock in some of those big, multi-national corporations. It turns out that they are all owned by the people, people just like us. So, you think the small investor in a multinational has some actual say in how the company is run and the ethics involved? It's only recently that CEO pay has been on the table as needing non-binding approval of the stockholders! |
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You Will be forced to use 15% ethanol
On 2/2/11 3:29 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:36:08 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:58:25 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 23:49:28 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:00:06 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:00:40 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500, wrote: Without the farm subsidies ethanol would be very expensive. Right, let's do...nothing. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Ethanol still has not proved it's value. Ethanol is a ruse. We should be investing in switchgrass or algae production and refinement. Why not CNG, it is cheap, clean and we have plenty of it? Why not invest in something we can grow instead of ripping apart the earth's crust while spoiling the water table with toxins and dangerous gases? Because we are going to run out of water long before we run out of oil. So, we should make the problem worse by using fracking? Did you just learn a new word? I agree there have been some problem in a few places with this but the majority of the fracking does not hurt anyone. Do you know of anything that doesn't affect someone? Here we go with that "equivalent" stuff again. Everything is the same, right? |
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