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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:16:00 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:49:32 -0800, wrote: It sure sounds like you support illegal immigration. You certainly fight any effort to return the illegals. As long as we have illegals here who will work for substandard wages it cannibalizes the legitimate labor market it drives down the cost of labor for everyone. Geez, now you have me talking like Harry I do? Please show me where I said that I do that. It does NOT drive down the wages of "everyone." That's nonsense. I suppose you're going to claim doctors/lawyers have to take lower wages because of migrant farm workers... OK not "everyone" just the lower 80% of the population. The working class. It is a fact that all working class wages stack on the lowest price of labor and move up from there. I am sure you want a high minimum wage but, strangely, you support a whole economy of illegals who work for a fraction of that amount. Really? How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:07:46 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:32:10 -0500, HenryK wrote: On 1/25/2011 11:40 PM, wrote: How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? Are you saying migrant farm workers do not poop? Not inside ;-) Amazingly, they have these devices now called Porto-lets. Amazing technology. |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:47:07 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:24:04 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:07:46 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:32:10 -0500, HenryK wrote: On 1/25/2011 11:40 PM, wrote: How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? Are you saying migrant farm workers do not poop? Not inside ;-) Amazingly, they have these devices now called Porto-lets. Amazing technology. Yeah, all the comfort of an outhouse without the esthetic charm. To Harry's point, you still don't need a plumber. Best case is you have a honey wagon come buy and pump them out, going directly to the sewer plant ... or they just dump them in a storm drain. So, it's the farm workers' fault if someone else dumps a toilet in a storm drain? |
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... On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:29:59 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:47:07 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:24:04 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:07:46 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:32:10 -0500, HenryK wrote: On 1/25/2011 11:40 PM, wrote: How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? Are you saying migrant farm workers do not poop? Not inside ;-) Amazingly, they have these devices now called Porto-lets. Amazing technology. Yeah, all the comfort of an outhouse without the esthetic charm. To Harry's point, you still don't need a plumber. Best case is you have a honey wagon come buy and pump them out, going directly to the sewer plant ... or they just dump them in a storm drain. So, it's the farm workers' fault if someone else dumps a toilet in a storm drain? Did I say that? All I said was a porta potty does not involve a plumber. Why can't you just say "yes dear" and let it go? Works for me. -- Ziggy® |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:26:15 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:29:59 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:47:07 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:24:04 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:07:46 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:32:10 -0500, HenryK wrote: On 1/25/2011 11:40 PM, wrote: How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? Are you saying migrant farm workers do not poop? Not inside ;-) Amazingly, they have these devices now called Porto-lets. Amazing technology. Yeah, all the comfort of an outhouse without the esthetic charm. To Harry's point, you still don't need a plumber. Best case is you have a honey wagon come buy and pump them out, going directly to the sewer plant ... or they just dump them in a storm drain. So, it's the farm workers' fault if someone else dumps a toilet in a storm drain? Did I say that? All I said was a porta potty does not involve a plumber. You're the one who's claiming farm workers don't use them. Get your story straight. |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:44:59 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:40:36 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:16:00 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:49:32 -0800, wrote: It sure sounds like you support illegal immigration. You certainly fight any effort to return the illegals. As long as we have illegals here who will work for substandard wages it cannibalizes the legitimate labor market it drives down the cost of labor for everyone. Geez, now you have me talking like Harry I do? Please show me where I said that I do that. It does NOT drive down the wages of "everyone." That's nonsense. I suppose you're going to claim doctors/lawyers have to take lower wages because of migrant farm workers... OK not "everyone" just the lower 80% of the population. The working class. It is a fact that all working class wages stack on the lowest price of labor and move up from there. I am sure you want a high minimum wage but, strangely, you support a whole economy of illegals who work for a fraction of that amount. Really? How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? When they hire helpers. A tomato picker will also dig trenches for plumbers when the tomato crop is on the truck. (or any number of other "labor" jobs that might get a real employee if the illegal labor wasn't there) Harry would say a union sanctioned apprentice Hahaha... that's funny! All those plumbers running around in cities hiring farm workers to dig trenches! No doubt! None at all! In the construction industry there was a lot of work for illegals when the journeymen had all the skilled work they could handle. That is not really true right now and a lot of them went home. The skilled trade is doing all of the work now, just to have work Actually I was talking to the VP of the biggest building supply around here and he says they have called the bottom and see the building business coming back here. I imagine the labor will start trickling back if ICE doesn't keep up the pace. The fact still remains, if the illegal labor is not available they have to hire "legal" help and they will be paying a better wage. Feel free to go out to the tomato field and take a job. Give us a break. You need to wise up and stop blaming farm workers for all your problems. |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:41:11 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:23:21 -0800, wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:44:59 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:40:36 -0800, wrote: It is a fact that all working class wages stack on the lowest price of labor and move up from there. I am sure you want a high minimum wage but, strangely, you support a whole economy of illegals who work for a fraction of that amount. Really? How are plumbers affected by migrant farm workers? When they hire helpers. A tomato picker will also dig trenches for plumbers when the tomato crop is on the truck. (or any number of other "labor" jobs that might get a real employee if the illegal labor wasn't there) Harry would say a union sanctioned apprentice Hahaha... that's funny! All those plumbers running around in cities hiring farm workers to dig trenches! No doubt! None at all! Have you ever actually been on a construction job? ... I didn't think so. Yes, actually I have. If you don't speak spanish you won't have many people to talk to around here. (at least before the crash) The only difference between a tomato picker and a construction laborer is which van they get in when they leave the house in the morning. So, what you're saying is that because someone speaks a foreign language, they must be illegal aliens. Perhaps you'd like to intern them. In the construction industry there was a lot of work for illegals when the journeymen had all the skilled work they could handle. That is not really true right now and a lot of them went home. The skilled trade is doing all of the work now, just to have work Actually I was talking to the VP of the biggest building supply around here and he says they have called the bottom and see the building business coming back here. I imagine the labor will start trickling back if ICE doesn't keep up the pace. The fact still remains, if the illegal labor is not available they have to hire "legal" help and they will be paying a better wage. Feel free to go out to the tomato field and take a job. Give us a break. You need to wise up and stop blaming farm workers for all your problems. I don't need a job right now and I do have more marketable skills if I did. That is not true for a lot of people. That's true most of the time. You're the one complaining. Who blamed anyone, this is the second time you have said this without actually citing anything. You just got done blaming farm workers for supplanting plumbing jobs. I will blame illegals for driving down the cost of labor but that is simple, undisputed fact. The only reason anyone would assume the numerous risks of hiring undocumented workers is the ridiculously low price. That does take jobs from legal. higher priced workers. When unemployment in construction was hovering in the 1-2%, we could use all that labor and still have well paying jobs on the top of the pyramid. That is not true now. It's nonsense and totally disputed, since it's fiction except in some very narrow circumstances. I see you're back to the false equivalency mantra. It turns out, when times are hard, Americans will do those jobs. Times are tough, yet very few are interested. Look it up. |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:24:25 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:29:04 -0800, wrote: If you don't speak spanish you won't have many people to talk to around here. (at least before the crash) The only difference between a tomato picker and a construction laborer is which van they get in when they leave the house in the morning. So, what you're saying is that because someone speaks a foreign language, they must be illegal aliens. Perhaps you'd like to intern them. You can tell who is legal by what they do when LaMigra drives up. BS. It's called Due Process. That's when you "can tell." In the construction industry there was a lot of work for illegals when the journeymen had all the skilled work they could handle. That is not really true right now and a lot of them went home. The skilled trade is doing all of the work now, just to have work Actually I was talking to the VP of the biggest building supply around here and he says they have called the bottom and see the building business coming back here. I imagine the labor will start trickling back if ICE doesn't keep up the pace. The fact still remains, if the illegal labor is not available they have to hire "legal" help and they will be paying a better wage. Feel free to go out to the tomato field and take a job. Give us a break. You need to wise up and stop blaming farm workers for all your problems. I don't need a job right now and I do have more marketable skills if I did. That is not true for a lot of people. That's true most of the time. You're the one complaining. Who blamed anyone, this is the second time you have said this without actually citing anything. You just got done blaming farm workers for supplanting plumbing jobs. I am saying illegals drive down the cost of labor. Feel free to show me where I am wrong. The idea that all illegals pick tomatoes is ridiculous. In fact LaMigra makes that harder here because they check on people when you get this many in one place. The same is true these days in the construction, landscape or cleaning business. I don't have to show you, because it's only valid in the segment of work they do. It has nothing to do elsewhere. Show me it does. If Obama did not think illegals were affecting legal employment he wouldn't be cracking down on them. We exported more people in the last 2 years than in the whole Bush administration. Nonsense. It's Holder btw, and if something is illegal and obviously a security issue, why wouldn't cracking down be appropriate. I think you mean deported. So, that's a bad thing? He's certainly not getting credit for it from the right. You never see those illegals hanging around outside a Home Depot here. They wouldn't last 10 minutes before the cops showed up. A trade would call them. Great... snitching on your neighbors is in full force in your area. I'm sure you're proud! I will blame illegals for driving down the cost of labor but that is simple, undisputed fact. The only reason anyone would assume the numerous risks of hiring undocumented workers is the ridiculously low price. That does take jobs from legal. higher priced workers. When unemployment in construction was hovering in the 1-2%, we could use all that labor and still have well paying jobs on the top of the pyramid. That is not true now. It's nonsense and totally disputed, since it's fiction except in some very narrow circumstances. I see you're back to the false equivalency mantra. Explain how people willing to work for a third of the minimum wage is not affecting the number of entry level jobs. "Labor" goes far beyond simply picking fruit. Entry level jobs IN THEIR PROFESSION. Your argument is without merit otherwise. It turns out, when times are hard, Americans will do those jobs. Times are tough, yet very few are interested. Look it up. Look what up? I can just look around.There are a lot of white faces where, a few years ago, you would see a latino. I am looking out the window right now at a landscape crew and I see 3 white guys. The good news for America is they are real employees. The bad news for my neighbor is the cost of getting his yard taken care of went up. No. Look it up. People don't want those jobs. There are plenty of links to that affect. Of course, if you're limited in your view to your backyard, you'd necessarily miss a few things. |
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