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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:24:25 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:29:04 -0800, wrote:

If you don't speak spanish you won't have many people to talk to
around here. (at least before the crash) The only difference between a
tomato picker and a construction laborer is which van they get in when
they leave the house in the morning.

So, what you're saying is that because someone speaks a foreign
language, they must be illegal aliens. Perhaps you'd like to intern
them.

You can tell who is legal by what they do when LaMigra drives up.

BS. It's called Due Process. That's when you "can tell."

In the construction industry there was a lot of work for illegals when
the journeymen had all the skilled work they could handle. That is not
really true right now and a lot of them went home. The skilled trade
is doing all of the work now, just to have work
Actually I was talking to the VP of the biggest building supply around
here and he says they have called the bottom and see the building
business coming back here. I imagine the labor will start trickling
back if ICE doesn't keep up the pace.

The fact still remains, if the illegal labor is not available they
have to hire "legal" help and they will be paying a better wage.

Feel free to go out to the tomato field and take a job. Give us a
break. You need to wise up and stop blaming farm workers for all your
problems.

I don't need a job right now and I do have more marketable skills if I
did. That is not true for a lot of people.

That's true most of the time. You're the one complaining.

Who blamed anyone, this is the second time you have said this without
actually citing anything.

You just got done blaming farm workers for supplanting plumbing jobs.

I am saying illegals drive down the cost of labor. Feel free to show
me where I am wrong. The idea that all illegals pick tomatoes is
ridiculous. In fact LaMigra makes that harder here because they check
on people when you get this many in one place. The same is true these
days in the construction, landscape or cleaning business.

I don't have to show you, because it's only valid in the segment of
work they do. It has nothing to do elsewhere. Show me it does.

If Obama did not think illegals were affecting legal employment he
wouldn't be cracking down on them. We exported more people in the last
2 years than in the whole Bush administration.

Nonsense. It's Holder btw, and if something is illegal and obviously a
security issue, why wouldn't cracking down be appropriate. I think you
mean deported. So, that's a bad thing? He's certainly not getting
credit for it from the right.

You never see those illegals hanging around outside a Home Depot here.
They wouldn't last 10 minutes before the cops showed up. A trade would
call them.

Great... snitching on your neighbors is in full force in your area.
I'm sure you're proud!

I will blame illegals for driving down the cost of labor but that is
simple, undisputed fact. The only reason anyone would assume the
numerous risks of hiring undocumented workers is the ridiculously low
price. That does take jobs from legal. higher priced workers. When
unemployment in construction was hovering in the 1-2%, we could use
all that labor and still have well paying jobs on the top of the
pyramid. That is not true now.

It's nonsense and totally disputed, since it's fiction except in some
very narrow circumstances. I see you're back to the false equivalency
mantra.

Explain how people willing to work for a third of the minimum wage is
not affecting the number of entry level jobs. "Labor" goes far beyond
simply picking fruit.

Entry level jobs IN THEIR PROFESSION. Your argument is without merit
otherwise.

It turns out, when times are hard, Americans will do those jobs.

Times are tough, yet very few are interested. Look it up.

Look what up? I can just look around.There are a lot of white faces
where, a few years ago, you would see a latino. I am looking out the
window right now at a landscape crew and I see 3 white guys.
The good news for America is they are real employees. The bad news for
my neighbor is the cost of getting his yard taken care of went up.

No. Look it up. People don't want those jobs. There are plenty of
links to that affect. Of course, if you're limited in your view to
your backyard, you'd necessarily miss a few things.