On Jan 18, 12:23*am, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:58:01 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:37:51 -0800, jps wrote:

It wasn't always that way. *Sam Walton refused to purchase anything
that wasn't made in the USA.

He's dead and so is his patriotism.

The interesting thing is pretty much all of America followed the lead
of the Walton kids.
Sam sr invented the concept of "Market Driven Quality". Basically
don't give the customer more quality than he will pay for.
When Gerstner took over IBM he embraced this idea. We threw away our
"six sigma" quality hats, stopped emulating Sony and got our MDQ hat
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/mdq.jpg
Real quality went out the window. We gave the customer what the
cheapest one was willing to pay for and being the industry leader,
everyone else followed. Now when you call for service, you get a guy
in India. Under Gerstner IBM reduced their US staff by about 45% and
made a **** load of money.

The Walton kids figured out the American public was of the same mind.
They would always buy the cheapest product, giving up quality for
price and the best place to find those products was China. They had
their old Little Rock neighbor (and spouse of a former board member)
in the White House to ease any trade restrictions so off they went to
China looking for cheap products. The rest is history. WalMart went
from an also ran, regional chain store to the biggest retailer in the
world in a decade.

It really doesn't matter whether you look at retailers, airlines or
computer systems, we seem to be giving up quality and service for a
cheap price. Buy it cheap, use it up and throw it away.

I agree with you, basically.

Now, this is a first.

On 1/17/11 11:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:46:10 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/17/11 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?


What are you smoking, Wayne?

Are you telling us that you actually had a successful career in
corporate America that you've never told us about? Not likely in my
opinion. The vitriol of you and your proxy spokespersons says it all.




Early in my professional working career, I was a successful employee of
a major American newspaper, the government, the largest wire service, a
labor union and two advertising/PR agencies. In each case in those days,
I left for better opportunities. What little respect I had for the
"corporate world" dissipated during the 1980s.

In article ,
says...

The math doesn't work for the first two lines.

WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.


Mindless right-wing crap...there's no end to it.



Sounds like pretty good business sense. Need some food Wal-Mart has it.
Need some chair to sit out side Wal-Mart has them. Need some new plates
and glasses Wal-mart has them.

In article ,
says...
Mindless right-wing crap...there's no end to it.

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

It wasn't always that way. Sam Walton refused to purchase anything
that wasn't made in the USA.

He's dead and so is his patriotism.

Easy don't buy anthing from Wal-Mart.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/17/11 11:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:46:10 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/17/11 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?


What are you smoking, Wayne?

Are you telling us that you actually had a successful career in
corporate America that you've never told us about? Not likely in my
opinion. The vitriol of you and your proxy spokespersons says it all.




Early in my professional working career, I was a successful employee of
a major American newspaper, the government, the largest wire service, a
labor union and two advertising/PR agencies. In each case in those days,
I left for better opportunities. What little respect I had for the
"corporate world" dissipated during the 1980s.

I found out that there was this thing called pay for performance in the
80's. You got paid for your performance. If you performed well you were
paid well. If you were a lay about and didn't do your job you were
fired. My pay increased so much during the 80's it was amazing.

I can see why you were disillusioned Harry.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:20:54 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:01:40 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:20:42 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:

Subject: FW: Walmart vs Morons





Thought you all just might enjoy this tidbit of info--it is amazing!!!!!!!




The math doesn't work for the first two lines.

WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.

The problem with Wal-Mart is that they sold out America. When Sam
Walton was alive, "Made in America" meant something... now, it
doesn't.... at least, at Wal-Mart. I just choose to trade in a manner
that benefits *THIS* side of the border......

I have another issue with the dumbing of America. Wal-Mart has put a
lot of Ma & Pa stores out of business where, penny wise and pound
foolish, folks have forsaken the expert knowledge and help available
for a few shekels less for product.... and, actually, paid the price,
anyway, because Wal-Mart has contrived to pay their part time
"associates" at a rate that qualifies them for public assistance.
(Talk about both ends against the middle!) Anyway, a few years hence
and they can still buy *stuff* cheap, they just can't find any expert
advice from the *associates* trained only on the scanner....

The RV thing is one of the things I think works well for Wal-Mart....
it, amazingly, isn't necessarily a hooray for us to hell with you
thing, like the China (product) connection is. Wal-Mart has traded a
few square feet of unused parking lot for a few extra eyes protecting
their property.... equitable trade, I think.... RV shoppers are a
bonus....

What stores do you use that pay their associates so well and don't sell Chinese
stuff? Do you shop only in 'union' stores? The days of looking for the union
label are pretty much gone. Except for automobiles, the union label doesn't show
up on much. If we can learn anything from Ford, the label may gradually leave
automobiles also.

Watch and listen to the last couple lines:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multime...ex.php?id=1189

While in Germany we toured the Mercedes plant in Stuttgart. Their assembly lines
are much like that shown in the video, with different models intermixed on the
same line.

On 1/18/11 8:41 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlemMednZP5eLhY6qjQnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/17/11 11:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:46:10 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/17/11 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?


What are you smoking, Wayne?

Are you telling us that you actually had a successful career in
corporate America that you've never told us about? Not likely in my
opinion. The vitriol of you and your proxy spokespersons says it all.




Early in my professional working career, I was a successful employee of
a major American newspaper, the government, the largest wire service, a
labor union and two advertising/PR agencies. In each case in those days,
I left for better opportunities. What little respect I had for the
"corporate world" dissipated during the 1980s.

I found out that there was this thing called pay for performance in the
80's. You got paid for your performance. If you performed well you were
paid well. If you were a lay about and didn't do your job you were
fired. My pay increased so much during the 80's it was amazing.

I can see why you were disillusioned Harry.



My "pay" increased from the $50,000 salary I was making in 1976 as a
senior account exec at a DC 4A's advertising agency to $155,000 in fees
and commissions the next year as an independent marketing consultant. Of
course, I had to pay both sides of Social Security taxes that year.

I was disillusioned by the "corporate world" in the 1980s when greed
became the only driving force behind many corporations. By then, I was
10 years off of steeenking corporate payrolls.

"BAR" wrote in message . ..
In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/17/11 11:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:46:10 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/17/11 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?


What are you smoking, Wayne?

Are you telling us that you actually had a successful career in
corporate America that you've never told us about? Not likely in my
opinion. The vitriol of you and your proxy spokespersons says it all.




Early in my professional working career, I was a successful employee of
a major American newspaper, the government, the largest wire service, a
labor union and two advertising/PR agencies. In each case in those days,
I left for better opportunities. What little respect I had for the
"corporate world" dissipated during the 1980s.

I found out that there was this thing called pay for performance in the
80's. You got paid for your performance. If you performed well you were
paid well. If you were a lay about and didn't do your job you were
fired. My pay increased so much during the 80's it was amazing.

I can see why you were disillusioned Harry.



Sucker. You could have joined a union and received huge pay and benefit increases for nothing more than time in service. No work required. and as a side benefit you would have contributed to breaking the back of your corporate employer.

--
Ziggy®

"TopBassDog" wrote in message ...
On Jan 17, 8:59 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:57:28 -0500, Wayne.B



wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?

Tell you what. Why don't you organize a self-sustaining not for profit
group that provides all of the goods and services that everyone needs.
If your prices are competetive and you provide a good customer
experience, the world will beat a path to your door, and the evil "for
profit corporations" will be driven out of business. What's so
difficult about that? By the way, please pay your employees well,
provide them with good benefits, and make sure all of your suppliers
are in the US.

How about we let gov't do what we pay it to do instead of continually
praying at the alter of unfettered capitalism.

I do pay my employees well, provide health insurance, and I believe
most of what we buy is made here.

Now, justify the rest of it . DPlume. that is, if you can.


Doesn't her statement remind you of the time a few years ago when Harry was going to expand his "staff" and provide them with extravagant benefits unheard of in small business America. I guess, if you are going to lie, why not lie big time.

--
Ziggy®

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/18/11 8:41 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlemMednZP5eLhY6qjQnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

On 1/17/11 11:13 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:46:10 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/17/11 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?


What are you smoking, Wayne?

Are you telling us that you actually had a successful career in
corporate America that you've never told us about? Not likely in my
opinion. The vitriol of you and your proxy spokespersons says it all.




Early in my professional working career, I was a successful employee of
a major American newspaper, the government, the largest wire service, a
labor union and two advertising/PR agencies. In each case in those days,
I left for better opportunities. What little respect I had for the
"corporate world" dissipated during the 1980s.

I found out that there was this thing called pay for performance in the
80's. You got paid for your performance. If you performed well you were
paid well. If you were a lay about and didn't do your job you were
fired. My pay increased so much during the 80's it was amazing.

I can see why you were disillusioned Harry.



My "pay" increased from the $50,000 salary I was making in 1976 as a
senior account exec at a DC 4A's advertising agency to $155,000 in fees
and commissions the next year as an independent marketing consultant. Of
course, I had to pay both sides of Social Security taxes that year.

I was disillusioned by the "corporate world" in the 1980s when greed
became the only driving force behind many corporations. By then, I was
10 years off of steeenking corporate payrolls.

Yeah, sure, more Harrylies.