On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:58:01 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:37:51 -0800, jps wrote:

It wasn't always that way. Sam Walton refused to purchase anything
that wasn't made in the USA.

He's dead and so is his patriotism.

The interesting thing is pretty much all of America followed the lead
of the Walton kids.
Sam sr invented the concept of "Market Driven Quality". Basically
don't give the customer more quality than he will pay for.
When Gerstner took over IBM he embraced this idea. We threw away our
"six sigma" quality hats, stopped emulating Sony and got our MDQ hat
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/mdq.jpg
Real quality went out the window. We gave the customer what the
cheapest one was willing to pay for and being the industry leader,
everyone else followed. Now when you call for service, you get a guy
in India. Under Gerstner IBM reduced their US staff by about 45% and
made a **** load of money.

The Walton kids figured out the American public was of the same mind.
They would always buy the cheapest product, giving up quality for
price and the best place to find those products was China. They had
their old Little Rock neighbor (and spouse of a former board member)
in the White House to ease any trade restrictions so off they went to
China looking for cheap products. The rest is history. WalMart went
from an also ran, regional chain store to the biggest retailer in the
world in a decade.

It really doesn't matter whether you look at retailers, airlines or
computer systems, we seem to be giving up quality and service for a
cheap price. Buy it cheap, use it up and throw it away.

I agree with you, basically. The issue is that cheaper isn't
necessarily better when it comes to the public welfare. That's why I
don't believe corporations can possibly do the right thing in that
regard... at least not without appropriate regulation and oversight.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?

Tell you what. Why don't you organize a self-sustaining not for profit
group that provides all of the goods and services that everyone needs.
If your prices are competetive and you provide a good customer
experience, the world will beat a path to your door, and the evil "for
profit corporations" will be driven out of business. What's so
difficult about that? By the way, please pay your employees well,
provide them with good benefits, and make sure all of your suppliers
are in the US.

On 1/17/11 8:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?


What are you smoking, Wayne?

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:57:28 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?

Tell you what. Why don't you organize a self-sustaining not for profit
group that provides all of the goods and services that everyone needs.
If your prices are competetive and you provide a good customer
experience, the world will beat a path to your door, and the evil "for
profit corporations" will be driven out of business. What's so
difficult about that? By the way, please pay your employees well,
provide them with good benefits, and make sure all of your suppliers
are in the US.

You whackos can't see the case for balance. It's either
no-holds-barred capitalism with all the ugly implications, or it's
socialism and the nanny state.

Your arguments are intellectually dishonest, as if there's no place in
the middle.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:57:28 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:27:09 -0800, wrote:

Yeah, just what we need... another for-profit company (like
Haliburton) looking out for our "best interest."

You are on another one of your anti-capitalism rants again. Did you
get laid off from a large corporation at the same time as Harry?

Tell you what. Why don't you organize a self-sustaining not for profit
group that provides all of the goods and services that everyone needs.
If your prices are competetive and you provide a good customer
experience, the world will beat a path to your door, and the evil "for
profit corporations" will be driven out of business. What's so
difficult about that? By the way, please pay your employees well,
provide them with good benefits, and make sure all of your suppliers
are in the US.

How about we let gov't do what we pay it to do instead of continually
praying at the alter of unfettered capitalism.

I do pay my employees well, provide health insurance, and I believe
most of what we buy is made here.

In article ,
says...

The math doesn't work for the first two lines.

WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.


Mindless right-wing crap...there's no end to it.



Sounds like pretty good business sense. Need some food Wal-Mart has it.
Need some chair to sit out side Wal-Mart has them. Need some new plates
and glasses Wal-mart has them.

On Jan 18, 7:34*am, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...



The math doesn't work for the first two lines.

WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.

Mindless right-wing crap...there's no end to it.

Sounds like pretty good business sense. Need some food Wal-Mart has it.
Need some chair to sit out side Wal-Mart has them. Need some new plates
and glasses Wal-mart has them.

Walmart also has their own house brand chainsaw bar oil for $9.99 a
gallon.

The little mom 'n pop hardware store down the road had OE name brand
Dolomar bar oil for $6.99 a gallon.

Tim wrote:
On Jan 18, 7:34 am, wrote:

In ,
says...




The math doesn't work for the first two lines.


WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.


Mindless right-wing crap...there's no end to it.

Sounds like pretty good business sense. Need some food Wal-Mart has it.
Need some chair to sit out side Wal-Mart has them. Need some new plates
and glasses Wal-mart has them.

Walmart also has their own house brand chainsaw bar oil for $9.99 a
gallon.

The little mom 'n pop hardware store down the road had OE name brand
Dolomar bar oil for $6.99 a gallon.

Probably the same stuff in a different bottle but your point in quite valid.

On Jan 17, 7:01*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:20:42 -0500, Ziggy wrote:
Subject: FW: Walmart vs Morons

Thought you all just might enjoy this tidbit of info--it is amazing!!!!!!!

1. *Americans spend $36,000,000 at WalMart every *hour of every *day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. *WalMart *will sell more from January 1 to St. *Patrick's Day (March 17th) than *Target sells all year.

4. WalMart is *bigger than Home Depot + *Kroger + Target +Sears *+ Costco + K-Mart *combined.

5. *WalMart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, *and most speak English.

6. WalMart is the largest company in the history *of the world.

7. WalMart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway *combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During *this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. *WalMart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. *WalMart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of *which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years *ago.

11. This year 7.2 *billion different purchasing experiences *will occur at WalMart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 *Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a *WalMart.

You may think *that I am complaining, but I am really *laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run *WalMart
to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all *Americans Democrats, Republicans, *EVERYONE!!

To the *President *and all 535 voting members of *the *Legislature,both parties. *It is now official you are ALL *corrupt *morons:

a.. The U.S. *Postal Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right *and it is broke.

b.. *Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right *and it is broke.

c.. *Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it *is *broke.

d.. War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" *and they only want *more.

e.. *Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. *You have had *44 years to get it right and they are *broke.

f.. *Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get *it right and it is *broke.

g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on *foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a *year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right *and it is an abysmal *failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax *dollars.

AND *YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN
HEALTH *CARE SYSTEM *?? YOU THINK YOU CAN RUN THE AUTO INDUSTRY.. THE BANKING SYSTEM??

MAYBE *WE OUGHT TO KICK YOUR EGG-HEAD BUDDY BUMS OUT OF OFFICE AND HIRE WALMART TO RUN *THE *GOVERNMENT *???

WALMART SEEMS TO KNOW HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS.......WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST ADMIT *IT'S WAY BEYOND YOUR PAY GRADE, AND QUIT?

"You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out."

The math doesn't work for the first two lines.

WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.

You should also know that " certain " Walmarts (if not all ) do NOT
allow Semis to park in the parking lot. It doesn't matter if the
Driver has just driven 10 strait hours to get their **** there.
Walmart is China in a fancy package.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:20:54 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:01:40 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:20:42 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:

Subject: FW: Walmart vs Morons





Thought you all just might enjoy this tidbit of info--it is amazing!!!!!!!




The math doesn't work for the first two lines.

WalMart also allows RV to spend the night in their parking lots - at no charge.
Of course, since there's nothing to do there but shop, that's what most folks
do. WalMart sells a lot of food to RV owners.

The problem with Wal-Mart is that they sold out America. When Sam
Walton was alive, "Made in America" meant something... now, it
doesn't.... at least, at Wal-Mart. I just choose to trade in a manner
that benefits *THIS* side of the border......

I have another issue with the dumbing of America. Wal-Mart has put a
lot of Ma & Pa stores out of business where, penny wise and pound
foolish, folks have forsaken the expert knowledge and help available
for a few shekels less for product.... and, actually, paid the price,
anyway, because Wal-Mart has contrived to pay their part time
"associates" at a rate that qualifies them for public assistance.
(Talk about both ends against the middle!) Anyway, a few years hence
and they can still buy *stuff* cheap, they just can't find any expert
advice from the *associates* trained only on the scanner....

The RV thing is one of the things I think works well for Wal-Mart....
it, amazingly, isn't necessarily a hooray for us to hell with you
thing, like the China (product) connection is. Wal-Mart has traded a
few square feet of unused parking lot for a few extra eyes protecting
their property.... equitable trade, I think.... RV shoppers are a
bonus....

What stores do you use that pay their associates so well and don't sell Chinese
stuff? Do you shop only in 'union' stores? The days of looking for the union
label are pretty much gone. Except for automobiles, the union label doesn't show
up on much. If we can learn anything from Ford, the label may gradually leave
automobiles also.

Watch and listen to the last couple lines:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multime...ex.php?id=1189

While in Germany we toured the Mercedes plant in Stuttgart. Their assembly lines
are much like that shown in the video, with different models intermixed on the
same line.