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Mac26 as a cruising boat
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. Stay the hell away from sailboats. You are no sailor. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"YukonBound" wrote in message ...
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. Stay the hell away from sailboats. You are no sailor. And I suppose you know all about sailboats. Have you ever owned one? -- Ziggy® |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Jan 15, 4:43*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. *It also has a centerboard to help it track true. *With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. *Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. *Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. *Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. * I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
YukonBound wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. Stay the hell away from sailboats. You are no sailor. This is from Captain Don of the SS Yukon with the mighty 25HP tiller steer motor! |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:33:35 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. *Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. * I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! Experienced boaters in south Florida have a great deal of respect for the Gulf Stream and will not attempt a crossing unless conditions are right, even in 50 or 60 footers. Some significant number of 20 to 30 footers get capsized every year either from poor weather planning or because they thought they could out run a storm and couldn't. Others get in trouble re-entering inlets that turn rough during the day as the tide changes. There are a couple of other Gulf Stream issues that catch people. One is something that I'd label the "twin engine problem". A boat with twin engines sets out from either Florida or the Bahamas expecting to run on plane the entire distance and with an adequate amount of reserve fuel. Then one of the engines fails for some reason, and now the boat is no longer running on plane because it lacks power. Fuel economy decreases drastically because the boat is now plowing water, and the boat eventually runs out of gas. If you're on the way back to Florida when this happens, and within 25 miles, SeaTow will come out to get you at no charge if you're a member but it's going to take a while. Over 25 miles offshore the towing charges become astronomical. Another variation on the "twin engine problem" is the what I call the "buddy boat syndrome" or "safety in numbers wishful thinking". One of the boats develops an engine problem and the buddy boat starts to tow it. Everything is OK if this happens near the beginning or end of the crossing, but in the middle the buddy boat usually lacks sufficient fuel capacity for both of them to make it home, again because they are no longer able to run on plane. This now turns into a double rescue. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Jan 16, 12:25*pm, "MMC" wrote:
"Tim" *wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. *It also has a centerboard to help it track true. *With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. *Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. *Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. *Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"YukonBound" wrote in message ...
"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. Wouldn't it be funny if Scotty turned out to be taller than you? -- Ziggy® |
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