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Mac26 as a cruising boat
I met a guy in Marsh Harbor who had a Mac26 he had brought over from
the US. It had a 90 hp outboard and was seriously pimped out to be very comfy for himself. I have extolled the concept of this motor/ sailboat by claiming that it is probably safer than a conventional sailboat because it can get to safety faster than any other sailboat and because it can be beached in shallow water for safety but most conventional sailors disagree. However, this guy seems to prove my contention. It took me 13 hours on my 28' S2-sailboat motor-sailing to cross from West Palm to West End whereas it took him only 4 hours motoring. Getting across this body of water quickly maximizes safety. I believe sailors need to re- orient their thinking about this boat. It is not a sailboat that can motor quickly but a motorboat with sail backup. Furthermore, the boat seems the ideal boat for the Bahamas with its extreme shoal draft and ability to get places quickly and if the motor fails, one can simply sail back to harbor. In the USA, it avoids the need to sail ones heavy sailboat long distances to cruise because it can be easily trailered. I'd like to try chartering one of these somewhere to try it out. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:22:39 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: I met a guy in Marsh Harbor who had a Mac26 he had brought over from the US. It had a 90 hp outboard and was seriously pimped out to be very comfy for himself. I have extolled the concept of this motor/ sailboat by claiming that it is probably safer than a conventional sailboat because it can get to safety faster than any other sailboat and because it can be beached in shallow water for safety but most conventional sailors disagree. However, this guy seems to prove my contention. It took me 13 hours on my 28' S2-sailboat motor-sailing to cross from West Palm to West End whereas it took him only 4 hours motoring. Getting across this body of water quickly maximizes safety. I believe sailors need to re- orient their thinking about this boat. It is not a sailboat that can motor quickly but a motorboat with sail backup. Furthermore, the boat seems the ideal boat for the Bahamas with its extreme shoal draft and ability to get places quickly and if the motor fails, one can simply sail back to harbor. In the USA, it avoids the need to sail ones heavy sailboat long distances to cruise because it can be easily trailered. I'd like to try chartering one of these somewhere to try it out. Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:31:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:59:30 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: In article a74c6712-fae3-4822-9e38-2b4b8e71b572 , says... I met a guy in Marsh Harbor who had a Mac26 he had brought over from the US. It had a 90 hp outboard and was seriously pimped out to be very comfy for himself. I have extolled the concept of this motor/ sailboat by claiming that it is probably safer than a conventional sailboat because it can get to safety faster than any other sailboat and because it can be beached in shallow water for safety but most conventional sailors disagree. However, this guy seems to prove my contention. It took me 13 hours on my 28' S2-sailboat motor-sailing to cross from West Palm to West End whereas it took him only 4 hours motoring. Getting across this body of water quickly maximizes safety. I believe sailors need to re- orient their thinking about this boat. It is not a sailboat that can motor quickly but a motorboat with sail backup. Furthermore, the boat seems the ideal boat for the Bahamas with its extreme shoal draft and ability to get places quickly and if the motor fails, one can simply sail back to harbor. In the USA, it avoids the need to sail ones heavy sailboat long distances to cruise because it can be easily trailered. I'd like to try chartering one of these somewhere to try it out. Wow, that is a great looking boat... I love the fact that you can have all that with a 50 horse outboard, and the full foam flotation is a plus for your kind of boating. I don't know if you would really want to said it swamped, but at least you could tow it in with the dinghy;) With all due respect, apparently neither of you guys have ever been caught offshore in a 50 to 60 kt squall line. Seas go from dead flat to 12 ft and breaking in no time at all. Every year fast center consoles (and bigger) from the east coast of Florida get caught in conditions like that, and a fair number of them are capsized and lost. Positive flotation will not save you when the waves literally pick you up and throw you back down in the trough, rolling the boat over, or pitch polling it end over end. The Mac26 is a fine boat for protected waters, crossing the Gulf Stream, not so much. Whoops. Guess I shouldn't have posted what I did. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On 1/13/11 7:33 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:22:39 -0800 (PST), wrote: I met a guy in Marsh Harbor who had a Mac26 he had brought over from the US. It had a 90 hp outboard and was seriously pimped out to be very comfy for himself. I have extolled the concept of this motor/ sailboat by claiming that it is probably safer than a conventional sailboat because it can get to safety faster than any other sailboat and because it can be beached in shallow water for safety but most conventional sailors disagree. However, this guy seems to prove my contention. It took me 13 hours on my 28' S2-sailboat motor-sailing to cross from West Palm to West End whereas it took him only 4 hours motoring. Getting across this body of water quickly maximizes safety. I believe sailors need to re- orient their thinking about this boat. It is not a sailboat that can motor quickly but a motorboat with sail backup. Furthermore, the boat seems the ideal boat for the Bahamas with its extreme shoal draft and ability to get places quickly and if the motor fails, one can simply sail back to harbor. In the USA, it avoids the need to sail ones heavy sailboat long distances to cruise because it can be easily trailered. I'd like to try chartering one of these somewhere to try it out. Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Bull****. It's a light water/light winds boat at best. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... I met a guy in Marsh Harbor who had a Mac26 he had brought over from the US. It had a 90 hp outboard and was seriously pimped out to be very comfy for himself. I have extolled the concept of this motor/ sailboat by claiming that it is probably safer than a conventional sailboat because it can get to safety faster than any other sailboat and because it can be beached in shallow water for safety but most conventional sailors disagree. However, this guy seems to prove my contention. It took me 13 hours on my 28' S2-sailboat motor-sailing to cross from West Palm to West End whereas it took him only 4 hours motoring. Getting across this body of water quickly maximizes safety. I believe sailors need to re- orient their thinking about this boat. It is not a sailboat that can motor quickly but a motorboat with sail backup. Furthermore, the boat seems the ideal boat for the Bahamas with its extreme shoal draft and ability to get places quickly and if the motor fails, one can simply sail back to harbor. In the USA, it avoids the need to sail ones heavy sailboat long distances to cruise because it can be easily trailered. I'd like to try chartering one of these somewhere to try it out. ====== What if the weather kicks up and the motor dies while crossing? Without the motor it's just another lightweight, poor sailing, under-canvassed weekender and not built to take out in anything except good weather. Unless you're abandoning ship, good ground tackle is preferable to beaching in bad weather. Repeatedly being slammed into the sand would be a horrible way to go for man, beast or boat. And a heavier boat won't beat itself and it's occupants to death at sea or at anchor. Remember the "Enduro" motorcycles? Dirt and street and sucked at both? They're probably great family weekend boats, which is what they are designed for. I would never take one beyond the horizon. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H
wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Jan 14, 10:45*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. * Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. * That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. *That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. *I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. * You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. * Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. * That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. *That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. *I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. * You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. * Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. * That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. *That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. *I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. * You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. Stay the hell away from sailboats. You are no sailor. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"YukonBound" wrote in message ...
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. Stay the hell away from sailboats. You are no sailor. And I suppose you know all about sailboats. Have you ever owned one? -- Ziggy® |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Jan 15, 4:43*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. *It also has a centerboard to help it track true. *With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. *Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. *Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. *Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. * I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
YukonBound wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:43:24 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. In order to beach a Mac 26 I believe you need to punp out the water ballast. It is very unstable without ballast and has been known to capsize with no sails up at all. No thanks. OK, OK! My wife didn't like the idea of me having another boat anyway. Damn. Stay the hell away from sailboats. You are no sailor. This is from Captain Don of the SS Yukon with the mighty 25HP tiller steer motor! |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:33:35 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. *Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. * I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! Experienced boaters in south Florida have a great deal of respect for the Gulf Stream and will not attempt a crossing unless conditions are right, even in 50 or 60 footers. Some significant number of 20 to 30 footers get capsized every year either from poor weather planning or because they thought they could out run a storm and couldn't. Others get in trouble re-entering inlets that turn rough during the day as the tide changes. There are a couple of other Gulf Stream issues that catch people. One is something that I'd label the "twin engine problem". A boat with twin engines sets out from either Florida or the Bahamas expecting to run on plane the entire distance and with an adequate amount of reserve fuel. Then one of the engines fails for some reason, and now the boat is no longer running on plane because it lacks power. Fuel economy decreases drastically because the boat is now plowing water, and the boat eventually runs out of gas. If you're on the way back to Florida when this happens, and within 25 miles, SeaTow will come out to get you at no charge if you're a member but it's going to take a while. Over 25 miles offshore the towing charges become astronomical. Another variation on the "twin engine problem" is the what I call the "buddy boat syndrome" or "safety in numbers wishful thinking". One of the boats develops an engine problem and the buddy boat starts to tow it. Everything is OK if this happens near the beginning or end of the crossing, but in the middle the buddy boat usually lacks sufficient fuel capacity for both of them to make it home, again because they are no longer able to run on plane. This now turns into a double rescue. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... |
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On Jan 16, 12:25*pm, "MMC" wrote:
"Tim" *wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John H wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. *It also has a centerboard to help it track true. *With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. *Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. *Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. *Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. |
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On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"YukonBound" wrote in message ...
"Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. Wouldn't it be funny if Scotty turned out to be taller than you? -- Ziggy® |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"Ziggy®" wrote in message ... "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. Wouldn't it be funny if Scotty turned out to be taller than you? -- Ziggy® I was ready to put up $2k as a bet... with Tom holding the cash. Scotty weased out of course. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:27:56 -0500, Harryk
wrote: Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? It can get pretty gnarly at the mouth of the breakwater. All it takes is a strong ebb hitting a windy sou'wester. We got whacked there one day in our old 24 ft cuddy, very nasty and steep, probably 3 to 4 footers. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On 1/16/11 5:26 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:27:56 -0500, wrote: Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? It can get pretty gnarly at the mouth of the breakwater. All it takes is a strong ebb hitting a windy sou'wester. We got whacked there one day in our old 24 ft cuddy, very nasty and steep, probably 3 to 4 footers. I haven't been on that river in a small boat in 50 years, and what little I recall was a flat calm day in the middle of summer. I remember the boat, though. It was a Lyman, a 15 or 16-footer, with an Evinrude, maybe a 33 or 35 hp, or something around that size. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
YukonBound wrote:
"Ziggy®" wrote in message ... "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Harryk" wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. Wouldn't it be funny if Scotty turned out to be taller than you? -- Ziggy® I was ready to put up $2k as a bet... with Tom holding the cash. Scotty weased out of course. #1 No you weren't. #2 What is "weased" in American? |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:35:10 -0500, Harryk
wrote: On 1/16/11 5:26 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:27:56 -0500, wrote: Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? It can get pretty gnarly at the mouth of the breakwater. All it takes is a strong ebb hitting a windy sou'wester. We got whacked there one day in our old 24 ft cuddy, very nasty and steep, probably 3 to 4 footers. I haven't been on that river in a small boat in 50 years, and what little I recall was a flat calm day in the middle of summer. I remember the boat, though. It was a Lyman, a 15 or 16-footer, with an Evinrude, maybe a 33 or 35 hp, or something around that size. === Up river is fine, down where it meets Long Island Sound, not always. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... wrote in message ... wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. Wouldn't it be funny if Scotty turned out to be taller than you? -- Ziggy® I was ready to put up $2k as a bet... with Tom holding the cash. Scotty weased out of course. #1 No you weren't. #2 What is "weased" in American? Tell the yappy little bitch from the north I didn't weasel out of anything. As if I saw his post.. Bonnie, I DON'T READ YOUR ****!. There now go back to your "little mans' syndrome", cause you got it bad... I'll be sure to pass that along. |
Mac26 as a cruising boat
"L G" wrote in message ... I am Tosk wrote: In , says... YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... wrote in message ... wrote in message m... On 1/16/11 1:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In articlebc71c4d7-3609-4cdc-b702-4e19e2186358@ 29g2000yqq.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 16, 12:25 pm, wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 4:43 am, wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:57 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Jan 14, 10:45 am, wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:33:48 -0500, John wrote: Looks like that boat's made to take the seas! http://www.macgregor26.com/index/gale_2_min.htm Not really. Take another look at that video and notice that the seas are large but not breaking. That's because they are mature deep water waves that have reached full height for the wind conditions, and are not being impacted by current or shoaling conditions. That's the difference between windy but relatively benign conditions, and what you would encounter in a rapid onset Gulf Stream squall. I have flown over the Gulf Stream on days when the wind is blowing hard from the north against the current. You can see the waves breaking from 30,000 feet in the air, and that's about as close as you'd want to get. When I say beaching, I mean beaching in a place with protected shallow water where a deep draft boat cannot go. Furthermore, even with no motor, this boat is safer than most other powerboats without a motor as it has ballast so will not roll over as easily. It also has a centerboard to help it track true. With its sails as backup, it is far safer in the Gulf Stream than most powerboats without sail backup. Although the rigging is light, reefed sails can be put up. Of course nobody would take such a boat across in 30 kt winds but she would do well in such anyway. During the summer (thunderstorm) months you can find yourself in 40 to 60 knot winds on the Gulf Stream with almost no warning. Experienced east coast boaters like to head east before sunrise to minimize their chances of being caught by a storm during the crossing. I'm too big of a wimp. That doesn't sound like much fun to me. but it DOES sound exciting! ======== People do cross in bad conditions. I think they're just trying to help rid the pool of those unwanted stupid genes. A couple weeks of crap weather and you might get a "me or the boat" price on a nice vessel.... having sails as a backup is great. I agree... I think Wayne is going a bit extreme thinking that because someone has sails as a backup, they are going to try a crossing in bad weather. I think all here know it's a huge tradeoff, but I have seen similar sailing in the CT River in the Summer... Are there four to five foot breaking waves in the summer on the Connecticut River? Probably looks that way when you sit as 'low in the saddle' as Scotty. Wouldn't it be funny if Scotty turned out to be taller than you? -- Ziggy® I was ready to put up $2k as a bet... with Tom holding the cash. Scotty weased out of course. #1 No you weren't. #2 What is "weased" in American? Tell the yappy little bitch from the north I didn't weasel out of anything. As if I saw his post.. Bonnie, I DON'T READ YOUR ****!. There now go back to your "little mans' syndrome", cause you got it bad... I'll be sure to pass that along. Your little girlfriend sure does talk tough for a Minnie Mouse. |
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