On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote:



O
wrote:

In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but
the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of
hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers.


A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a
tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the
50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the
workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed
where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter
administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I
knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the
signs because they changed so often.

It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing
up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for
incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another
agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a
corner and ignored.

The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of
supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer. Probably
similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is strong, the
non-performers are in luck.

The public (and their kids) suffer.

Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a
non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats.

Me, I'll just...watch.

On 1/4/11 6:56 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote:



O
wrote:

In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but
the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of
hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers.


A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a
tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the
50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the
workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed
where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter
administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I
knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the
signs because they changed so often.

It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing
up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for
incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another
agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a
corner and ignored.

The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of
supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer.
Probably
similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is
strong, the
non-performers are in luck.

The public (and their kids) suffer.

Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a
non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats.

Me, I'll just...watch.

This does seem very confrontational. Is this the real Harry or a
Spoofer doing his best to stir up the pot?

"A.True.Boater" wrote in message ...
On 1/4/11 6:56 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote:



O
wrote:

In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but
the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of
hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers.


A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a
tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the
50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the
workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed
where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter
administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I
knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the
signs because they changed so often.

It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing
up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for
incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another
agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a
corner and ignored.

The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of
supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer.
Probably
similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is
strong, the
non-performers are in luck.

The public (and their kids) suffer.

Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a
non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats.

Me, I'll just...watch.

This does seem very confrontational. Is this the real Harry or a
Spoofer doing his best to stir up the pot?

What's your best guess, true boater?

--
Ziggy®

In article ,
says...

On 1/4/11 6:56 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote:



O
wrote:

In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but
the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of
hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers.


A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a
tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the
50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the
workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed
where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter
administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I
knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the
signs because they changed so often.

It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing
up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for
incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another
agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a
corner and ignored.

The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of
supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer.
Probably
similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is
strong, the
non-performers are in luck.

The public (and their kids) suffer.

Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a
non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats.

Me, I'll just...watch.

This does seem very confrontational. Is this the real Harry or a
Spoofer doing his best to stir up the pot?

It's a spoofer. I'd never stir the pot. I'd also never lie.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:56:04 -0500, Harryk wrote:

On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote:



O
wrote:

In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but
the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of
hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers.


A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a
tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the
50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the
workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed
where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter
administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I
knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the
signs because they changed so often.

It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing
up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for
incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another
agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a
corner and ignored.

The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of
supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer. Probably
similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is strong, the
non-performers are in luck.

The public (and their kids) suffer.

Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a
non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats.

Me, I'll just...watch.

It's January, so I'll respond.

No one said anything confrontational, except you. I've had the experiences
described above.

As far as starting things, you just made a nice attempt to do so.

On 1/5/11 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:56:04 -0500, wrote:

On 1/4/11 6:51 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:02 -0500, wrote:



O
wrote:

In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but
the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of
hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers.


A federal Civil Service worker is about as hard to get rid of as a
tenured professor. There has not been a real RIF (layoff) since the
50s. There have been some reorganizations that eliminated jobs but the
workers simply moved across the street, or in some cases just stayed
where they were and GSA changed the sign on the building. (The Carter
administration was probably the best example of that). A GSA guy I
knew said they were thinking about using thumb screws to mount the
signs because they changed so often.

It is possible to fire a government worker for stealing or not showing
up but if they are there every day, you can't fire them for
incompetence or goofing off..They just get shuffled off to another
agency if anything happens at all. Usually they just get put back in a
corner and ignored.

The AFGE is quite protective. They can manage to waste enough time of
supervisors that it's probably cheaper to reassign the non-performer. Probably
similar to the firing of worthless teachers. Where the union is strong, the
non-performers are in luck.

The public (and their kids) suffer.

Oooooh...I just love it when righties do their best to maintain a
non-confrontational atmospherein rec.boats.

Me, I'll just...watch.

It's January, so I'll respond.

No one said anything confrontational, except you. I've had the experiences
described above.

As far as starting things, you just made a nice attempt to do so.


It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.

I'm surprised you said nothing about this post:

"Wow... you're just a downer for everything. I guess creating 8000 jobs
and pumping $8B into the economy is the wrong thing. But, of course,
San Francisco is Pelosi country, so it must be a terrible idea."

....talk about inflammatory and political!!

On 1/5/11 2:18 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.



Retribution? From me? That's absurd. Besides, one of my new year's
resolutions was to take the far righties here even less seriously, if
possible. I really don't give a damn how much political or religious
crap you post here. Once in a while, though, you ought to consider
posting something of interest that relates to boating.

In article ,
says...

On 1/5/11 2:18 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:31:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0500,
wrote:

It's hard, but not impossible, to believe you don't see the
"non-confrontational" aspects of your union-bashing post.

It's not necessarily bashing when the truth is spoken. On the other
hand it is certainly off topic, and to a certain extent, inflammatory.

Given all that, and in the interest of group harmony, discussions of
unions and government employees don't really belong here. We all know
how it ends up and there is very little new that hasn't already been
said in the past.

I'd rather talk about boats and boating - went for a nice little sail
yesterday on the Caloosahatchie River. Boat was a 24 ft Sonar class
which sails very well with 2 to 6 people aboard but 3 or 4 is close to
ideal. Weather was very nice - mid 70s with light to moderate winds.

http://www.getawaysailing.com/images2/sonar.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-08.jpg

http://www.nyss.com/NYSS/Jpeg/nyss-09.jpg

On the other, other hand, one shouldn't have to fear retribution from Harry for
posting a true life experience.



Retribution? From me? That's absurd. Besides, one of my new year's
resolutions was to take the far righties here even less seriously, if
possible. I really don't give a damn how much political or religious
crap you post here. Once in a while, though, you ought to consider
posting something of interest that relates to boating.

Once in a while, though YOU ought to consider posting something of
interest that relates to boating, spoofer.