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America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:46:01 -0500, W1TEF
wrote: On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:53:33 -0800, wrote: There is no such thing as a permanent job any more. Name one. Incumbent politicians, judges, career military, Priests, Ministers, tenured university professors and educators...that's seven - want some more? I guess you missed the last election, judges can be removed, never heard of DOTD?, religious leaders can be removed, tenured educators - maybe. That's what you're basing your jobs recovery on... that list? You can define it personally anyway you want, the plain truth is that the classic legal definition of permanent and temporary jobs exists, has for a hundred or so years - the fact that you don't like it isn't relevant. There are no currently relevant "permanent" jobs. The fact that you don't know squat about legal definitions isn't my fault. |
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America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:25:06 -0500, W1TEF
wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:07:48 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 1/3/11 1:49 PM, wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:46:01 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:53:33 -0800, wrote: There is no such thing as a permanent job any more. Name one. Incumbent politicians, judges, career military, Priests, Ministers, tenured university professors and educators...that's seven - want some more? I guess you missed the last election, judges can be removed, never heard of DOTD?, religious leaders can be removed, tenured educators - maybe. That's what you're basing your jobs recovery on... that list? You can define it personally anyway you want, the plain truth is that the classic legal definition of permanent and temporary jobs exists, has for a hundred or so years - the fact that you don't like it isn't relevant. There are no currently relevant "permanent" jobs. The fact that you don't know squat about legal definitions isn't my fault. You two are arguing semantics. Therefore, no winner is possible. No, I'm stating the legal definition describing permanent and temporary employment as found in contract and administrative law not to mention Economics 101. Show me an example of such a legal definition in the US. The point is that that term and hiring under such a term is frowned upon and has been for a long time. Something, by the way, you are probably very familiar with being, in part, a contract worker occasionally. Ms. Plum is arguing her own definition of same as being reality which it isn't. In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers. QED - so basically, you're admitting you're wrong and claiming I'm wrong in two small paragraphs. |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:25:06 -0500, W1TEF
wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:07:48 -0500, Harryk wrote: On 1/3/11 1:49 PM, wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:46:01 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:53:33 -0800, wrote: There is no such thing as a permanent job any more. Name one. Incumbent politicians, judges, career military, Priests, Ministers, tenured university professors and educators...that's seven - want some more? I guess you missed the last election, judges can be removed, never heard of DOTD?, religious leaders can be removed, tenured educators - maybe. That's what you're basing your jobs recovery on... that list? You can define it personally anyway you want, the plain truth is that the classic legal definition of permanent and temporary jobs exists, has for a hundred or so years - the fact that you don't like it isn't relevant. There are no currently relevant "permanent" jobs. The fact that you don't know squat about legal definitions isn't my fault. You two are arguing semantics. Therefore, no winner is possible. No, I'm stating the legal definition describing permanent and temporary employment as found in contract and administrative law not to mention Economics 101. Something, by the way, you are probably very familiar with being, in part, a contract worker occasionally. Ms. Plum is arguing her own definition of same as being reality which it isn't. In truth, nothing is permanent in life - including life itself, but the definition has to exist so that some order can be made out of hiring, firing, replacing labor or workers. I find it truly interesting that you're so concerned with permanent vs. "temporary" or contract employment, as though the rare instance of permanent employment is solution to the job situation in this country. You claim that a job isn't any good because it's not permanent, yet most jobs in the US (by a wide margin) are not considered permanent (esp. in at-will states, where permanence is even more tenuous). By this standard, we could have full (contract/temp) employment and you would claim that it doesn't solve anything, when it's obvious that _any_ job, even if it only lasts one day, is a net positive for the economy, the person hired, the company, agency, or person who hires him/her, and dependents of that person. I think you need to reevaluate your position, since it makes little sense either economically or politically. |
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America's Cup coming to San Francisco
"I am Tosk" wrote in message ...
In article , says... snippage Of course, in the private sector, you get promoted for stealing. :) Only if you steal for the company, not if you steal from the company. When it comes to criminal activity, no one beats the private sector. Bull, and you know it. For one, the private sector is slowed down some by accountability. When I worked at the non-union shop, Stanadyne, there was no where near the amount of raw criminal activity going on as when I worked for the Union at Finast. That "untouchable" attitude goes up through the ranks of the Union, they were dirty as hell and sold us all out too.... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Krause is married to the union, literally. Everyone who has a pulse knows how corrupt those union folks are. But they are falling like dominoes now. Check out your own state of Connecticut if you want to see examples. -- Ziggy® |
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On 1/4/11 6:34 PM, Ziggy® wrote:
"I am wrote in message ... In , says... snippage Of course, in the private sector, you get promoted for stealing. :) Only if you steal for the company, not if you steal from the company. When it comes to criminal activity, no one beats the private sector. Bull, and you know it. For one, the private sector is slowed down some by accountability. When I worked at the non-union shop, Stanadyne, there was no where near the amount of raw criminal activity going on as when I worked for the Union at Finast. That "untouchable" attitude goes up through the ranks of the Union, they were dirty as hell and sold us all out too.... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Krause is married to the union, literally. Everyone who has a pulse knows how corrupt those union folks are. But they are falling like dominoes now. Check out your own state of Connecticut if you want to see examples. It appears that Krause wants to pretend he is interested in a nice place to discuss boating and to stop the bickering, but he really wants to throw out bait and see if he can get the fish worked up into a tizzy and then say "see, I was good and look at how terrible everyone else is". Don't take the bait. |
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America's Cup coming to San Francisco
"A.True.Boater" wrote in message news
 On 1/4/11 6:34 PM, Ziggy® wrote: "I am wrote in message ... In , says... snippage Of course, in the private sector, you get promoted for stealing. :) Only if you steal for the company, not if you steal from the company. When it comes to criminal activity, no one beats the private sector. Bull, and you know it. For one, the private sector is slowed down some by accountability. When I worked at the non-union shop, Stanadyne, there was no where near the amount of raw criminal activity going on as when I worked for the Union at Finast. That "untouchable" attitude goes up through the ranks of the Union, they were dirty as hell and sold us all out too.... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever! Krause is married to the union, literally. Everyone who has a pulse knows how corrupt those union folks are. But they are falling like dominoes now. Check out your own state of Connecticut if you want to see examples. It appears that Krause wants to pretend he is interested in a nice place to discuss boating and to stop the bickering, but he really wants to throw out bait and see if he can get the fish worked up into a tizzy and then say "see, I was good and look at how terrible everyone else is". Don't take the bait. You have krause pretty well figured out, but why does he do it? -- Ziggy® |
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America's Cup coming to San Francisco
On 1/4/11 5:43 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... snippage Of course, in the private sector, you get promoted for stealing. :) Only if you steal for the company, not if you steal from the company. When it comes to criminal activity, no one beats the private sector. Bull, and you know it. For one, the private sector is slowed down some by accountability. When I worked at the non-union shop, Stanadyne, there was no where near the amount of raw criminal activity going on as when I worked for the Union at Finast. That "untouchable" attitude goes up through the ranks of the Union, they were dirty as hell and sold us all out too.... You do know he threw out the bait and you swallowed it hook line and sinker. |
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