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On 1/7/11 8:30 AM, Harryk wrote: On 1/7/11 8:11 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In articleNb6dnZrukcPwkrrQnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 7:53 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Pffftttt... Yeah, I kinda figured *that* was the lack of thought underpinning your absurd statement, "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Fortunately, Alec Issigonis wouldn't have paid any attention to you back then, and no automotive engineer would pay any attention to you today. But, hey, go ahead...go through life wallowing in your ignorance. STFU, you don't know what google is talking about.. I have raced front wheel drive vehicles.. Come back to me when you actually know what you are talking about...snerk.. I do know what I am talking about; you do not. Your ignorant statement is all the proof that is needed. Please explain why it "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Use your own words. Go ahead. Oh, it's axles, by the way, usually. For someone who said you were going to let the "Righties" stir up all the **** in rec.boats, you seem to be doing your best to stay ahead of them in the insult count. He wants to be the first person in the history of usenet to be banished from an unmoderated newsgroup. -- Ziggy® |
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On 1/7/11 9:14 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
And anybody who has raced knows if you are going off the road, hit the gas and get that back end between you and the guardrail. I did this without even thinking about it a few years back when I hit the ice in my Wrangler... I slid long enough to know I wasn't catching it, so as I came around I stayed in the throttle t There are advantages of front wheel drive which include Lower cost - you have reduced the cost of the driveshaft and additional hardware. The has an advantage of providing better fuel economy due to weight reduction. Cabin Space You have increased the space inside of the car, by removing the drivetrain Traction - with the weight of the engine over the drive wheels you can have better traction in slippery conditions That being said, there are many automotive enthusiasts and engineers who agree with you that front wheel drive sucks. Auto design like boat design is a series of compromises. |
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On Jan 7, 9:27*am, "A.True.Boater" wrote:
On 1/7/11 9:14 AM, I am Tosk wrote: And anybody who has raced knows if you are going off the road, hit the gas and get that back end between you and the guardrail. I did this without even thinking about it a few years back when I hit the ice in my Wrangler... I slid long enough to know I wasn't catching it, so as I came around I stayed in the throttle t There are advantages of front wheel drive which include Lower cost - you have reduced the cost of the driveshaft and additional hardware. *The has an advantage of providing better fuel economy due to weight reduction. Cabin Space You have increased the space inside of the car, by removing the drivetrain Back to this one... Show me the Money!!! ??? When was the last time you saw a front wheel drive that had more room? The Spyder is FWD but with the bucket seats and huge console glove box, it has less room than my old CJ... The last FWD car I saw that actually gained room was my buddies old Ford Torino and that was in the 70's iirc... Traction - with the weight of the engine over the drive wheels you can have better traction in slippery conditions That being said, there are many automotive enthusiasts and engineers who agree with you that front wheel drive sucks. *Auto design like boat design is a series of compromises. |
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"Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? |
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On 1/7/11 10:16 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
Back to this one... Show me the Money!!! ??? When was the last time you saw a front wheel drive that had more room? The Spyder is FWD but with the bucket seats and huge console glove box, it has less room than my old CJ... The last FWD car I saw that actually gained room was my buddies old Ford Torino and that was in the 70's iirc... Your buddy's Torino had front wheel drive, eh? You need to cut back on the mushrooms. Perhaps your buddy had a Olds Toronado, an interesting FWD car GM produced for many years. After all, it was easy to confuse the two. Jay Leno has a rebuilt and highly customized '66 Toronado with about a zillion horsepower. |
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@mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 9:19 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In article4PmdnUzVA_prg7rQnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 9:05 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... In , says... On 1/7/11 8:11 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In articleNb6dnZrukcPwkrrQnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 7:53 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Pffftttt... Yeah, I kinda figured *that* was the lack of thought underpinning your absurd statement, "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Fortunately, Alec Issigonis wouldn't have paid any attention to you back then, and no automotive engineer would pay any attention to you today. But, hey, go ahead...go through life wallowing in your ignorance. STFU, you don't know what google is talking about.. I have raced front wheel drive vehicles.. Come back to me when you actually know what you are talking about...snerk.. I do know what I am talking about; you do not. Your ignorant statement is all the proof that is needed. Please explain why it "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Use your own words. Go ahead. Oh, it's axles, by the way, usually. I'll go, but then I want your rebuttal in your own words. First when the driven wheels are on the same axles as the steering, it's more complicated mechanically. Secondly, you have steering components and driven components that are under a lot of stress, such as CV joints which fail very often. Third, if you lose traction like in snow, you can steer all you want and you go in a straight line. Could be our Google queen is playing some kind of semantics game. Remember, all I said was front wheel drive sucks, he made a fight over it... What you said: "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." That's not the same as FWD sucks. Or maybe it is in your dysfunctional brain. Oh...and FWD doesn't suck. Oh yeah, I forgot.. Only you can have an opinon... Later asshat! Isn't that what that moderator at the gun site called you, an "asshat"? plonk Apparently your brain is in such bad shape you can't remember what you posted a few minutes ago. Harry, why didn't you reply to MY reply about front wheel drive? |
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On 1/7/11 10:16 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:27 am, wrote: On 1/7/11 9:14 AM, I am Tosk wrote: And anybody who has raced knows if you are going off the road, hit the gas and get that back end between you and the guardrail. I did this without even thinking about it a few years back when I hit the ice in my Wrangler... I slid long enough to know I wasn't catching it, so as I came around I stayed in the throttle t There are advantages of front wheel drive which include Lower cost - you have reduced the cost of the driveshaft and additional hardware. The has an advantage of providing better fuel economy due to weight reduction. Cabin Space You have increased the space inside of the car, by removing the drivetrain Back to this one... Show me the Money!!! ??? When was the last time you saw a front wheel drive that had more room? The Spyder is FWD but with the bucket seats and huge console glove box, it has less room than my old CJ... The last FWD car I saw that actually gained room was my buddies old Ford Torino and that was in the 70's iirc... Traction - with the weight of the engine over the drive wheels you can have better traction in slippery conditions That being said, there are many automotive enthusiasts and engineers who agree with you that front wheel drive sucks. Auto design like boat design is a series of compromises. If you took any of the cars you are talking about and compared the leg room and actually cabin space using front wheel drive vs rear wheel drive, all of the cars would have more cabin / leg room space with front wheel drive. If I was to guess, I would say cost savings and increase mileage (no matter how little) were the driving force to convert the majority of cars to front wheel drive. Traction and cabin space were just added benefits. One item that was not included in the "Google" list of the rear wheel drive advantages is dependability. According to many fleet owners (ie Cab Companies, Police Depts etc.) rear wheel drive is more dependable and less expensive to repair than front wheel drive autos. This advantage is becoming less as front wheel dependability is improving. |
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On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Please...those guys have had some training. Scotty would have to work his way through a Job Corps 12-year pre-training course just to learn the skills needed to show up on time and empty the trashcans. |
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On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? |
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On 1/7/11 10:32 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Please...those guys have had some training. Scotty would have to work his way through a Job Corps 12-year pre-training course just to learn the skills needed to show up on time and empty the trashcans. I guess you have decided it is yours and Yukon's purpose in life is to insult as many people as possible. |
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says... On 1/7/11 9:14 AM, I am Tosk wrote: And anybody who has raced knows if you are going off the road, hit the gas and get that back end between you and the guardrail. I did this without even thinking about it a few years back when I hit the ice in my Wrangler... I slid long enough to know I wasn't catching it, so as I came around I stayed in the throttle to turn the vehicle and we hit rear end first, nobody was injured. This doesn't work well in four wheel either so back then I used to stay in 2 wheel until I needed it to pull out of something. Now with crazy computer controlled traction on my new Jeep, I let it decide how to act, you just can't drive it fast though, not what it's made for. If you try to take a fast corner, the computer brakes wheels and tries to get you back unless you switch it off;) The top performing rally cars are FWD and 4WD. Whatever problems you are having with your vehicles is attributable to your driving skills or lack of same. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fwd.html http://www.slate.com/id/2081194/ http://www.moderncamaro.com/forum/sh...t=27689&page=2 |
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On 1/7/2011 8:39 AM, A.True.Boater wrote:
On 1/7/11 8:30 AM, Harryk wrote: On 1/7/11 8:11 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In articleNb6dnZrukcPwkrrQnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 7:53 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Pffftttt... Yeah, I kinda figured *that* was the lack of thought underpinning your absurd statement, "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Fortunately, Alec Issigonis wouldn't have paid any attention to you back then, and no automotive engineer would pay any attention to you today. But, hey, go ahead...go through life wallowing in your ignorance. STFU, you don't know what google is talking about.. I have raced front wheel drive vehicles.. Come back to me when you actually know what you are talking about...snerk.. I do know what I am talking about; you do not. Your ignorant statement is all the proof that is needed. Please explain why it "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Use your own words. Go ahead. Oh, it's axles, by the way, usually. For someone who said you were going to let the "Righties" stir up all the **** in rec.boats, you seem to be doing your best to stay ahead of them in the insult count. Is anyone surprised? |
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On 1/7/11 10:36 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... In articlec5idnR6195ICvLrQnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 9:19 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In article4PmdnUzVA_prg7rQnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 9:05 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... In , says... On 1/7/11 8:11 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In articleNb6dnZrukcPwkrrQnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 7:53 AM, I am Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Pffftttt... Yeah, I kinda figured *that* was the lack of thought underpinning your absurd statement, "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Fortunately, Alec Issigonis wouldn't have paid any attention to you back then, and no automotive engineer would pay any attention to you today. But, hey, go ahead...go through life wallowing in your ignorance. STFU, you don't know what google is talking about.. I have raced front wheel drive vehicles.. Come back to me when you actually know what you are talking about...snerk.. I do know what I am talking about; you do not. Your ignorant statement is all the proof that is needed. Please explain why it "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." Use your own words. Go ahead. Oh, it's axles, by the way, usually. I'll go, but then I want your rebuttal in your own words. First when the driven wheels are on the same axles as the steering, it's more complicated mechanically. Secondly, you have steering components and driven components that are under a lot of stress, such as CV joints which fail very often. Third, if you lose traction like in snow, you can steer all you want and you go in a straight line. Could be our Google queen is playing some kind of semantics game. Remember, all I said was front wheel drive sucks, he made a fight over it... What you said: "Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle." That's not the same as FWD sucks. Or maybe it is in your dysfunctional brain. Oh...and FWD doesn't suck. Oh yeah, I forgot.. Only you can have an opinon... Later asshat! Isn't that what that moderator at the gun site called you, an "asshat"? plonk Apparently your brain is in such bad shape you can't remember what you posted a few minutes ago. Harry, why didn't you reply to MY reply about front wheel drive? Pffftttt... He is busy trying to Google something that suggests FWD is good for more than golf carts. I'm not the one who has problems with front wheel drive, hairball... *you* are. Perhaps it is because I don't DUI. |
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"Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Probably longer than your buddy Harry lasted on that gun message board. That's "1 Harry" for you, fella. -- Ziggy® |
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"A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... |
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On 1/7/11 10:43 AM, YukonBound wrote:
"A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... When in the rome of rec.boats, the same old right-wing assholes simply change IDs. |
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On 1/7/11 10:51 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
Harry doesn't know the difference between FWD, 4WD, and AWD... How is that front-wheel drive Torino of your buddy's, mr. mushroom? |
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says... In article , says... "A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... Rome huh, in your mind... You and Harry are the ONLY ones in this thread to throw around insults and add NOTHING to the thread but it's what we expect from you anyway. It's because Harry is dead wrong on this one, and when wrong or lying that's what he does. |
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"Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:51 AM, I am Tosk wrote: Harry doesn't know the difference between FWD, 4WD, and AWD... How is that front-wheel drive Torino of your buddy's, mr. mushroom? ~~ Snerk ~~ Priceless! |
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"Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... *Your* in hell, normally called Halifax. try 'you're'.................... spoofer. |
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says... "Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... *Your* in hell, normally called Halifax. try 'you're'.................... spoofer. Alright!! Nothing else so you have to turn back into the grammar cop!!! How's that RAV4 that the salesman talked you into believing that it's a truck?! |
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On 1/7/11 2:13 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:11:09 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:51:51 -0500, "A.True.Boater" wrote: 3) "Torque Steer": One of the most annoying habits of many powerful front-drive cars Exactly and I don't even think 2 liters is that powerful; but if you are trying to pull out making a fast left turn in my Prelude you might not really be turning as fast as you thought and you are smoking a tire. (basically only one wheel is actually doing any steering) I loved my Prelude. I loved it even better when I put the V rated tires on it. Then I could take off ramps at 70 miles an hour and it wouldn't get all squishy. Off ramps are not the problem because you are decelerating into the turn. It is when you accelerate into a turn that it gets to be in the edge of control. (your typical left turn across traffic situation) If you hit that "VTec" bump in the middle of the turn, you better be ready. I am used to it now but there was a learning curve. Like I said before, when you need to "correct" you are going sideways, not forward... and remember the first law of racing, "smooth is fast"!!! This from your dozen hobbyist races of experience on a little motorcycle going slowly around a dirt track? |
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On Jan 7, 2:23*pm, Harryk wrote:
On 1/7/11 2:13 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:11:09 -0500, *wrote: In , says... On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:51:51 -0500, "A.True.Boater" *wrote: 3) "Torque Steer": One of the most annoying habits of many powerful front-drive cars Exactly and I don't even think 2 liters is that powerful; but if you are trying to pull out making a fast left turn in my Prelude you might not really be turning as fast as you thought and you are smoking a tire. (basically only one wheel is actually doing any steering) I loved my Prelude. I loved it even better when I put the V rated tires on it. Then I could take off ramps at 70 miles an hour and it wouldn't get all squishy. Off ramps are not the problem because you are decelerating into the turn. It is when you accelerate into a turn that it gets to be in the edge of control. (your typical left turn across traffic situation) If you hit that "VTec" bump in the middle of the turn, you better be ready. I am used to it now but there was a learning curve. Like I said before, when you need to "correct" you are going sideways, not forward... and remember the first law of racing, "smooth is fast"!!! This from your dozen hobbyist races of experience on a little motorcycle going slowly around a dirt track?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, thanks for making the race team on topic;) We are currently seeking sponsors for the 2011 season if anybody is interested in working with a race team;) Scotty |
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On 1/7/11 2:37 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jan 7, 2:23 pm, wrote: On 1/7/11 2:13 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:11:09 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:51:51 -0500, "A.True.Boater" wrote: 3) "Torque Steer": One of the most annoying habits of many powerful front-drive cars Exactly and I don't even think 2 liters is that powerful; but if you are trying to pull out making a fast left turn in my Prelude you might not really be turning as fast as you thought and you are smoking a tire. (basically only one wheel is actually doing any steering) I loved my Prelude. I loved it even better when I put the V rated tires on it. Then I could take off ramps at 70 miles an hour and it wouldn't get all squishy. Off ramps are not the problem because you are decelerating into the turn. It is when you accelerate into a turn that it gets to be in the edge of control. (your typical left turn across traffic situation) If you hit that "VTec" bump in the middle of the turn, you better be ready. I am used to it now but there was a learning curve. Like I said before, when you need to "correct" you are going sideways, not forward... and remember the first law of racing, "smooth is fast"!!! This from your dozen hobbyist races of experience on a little motorcycle going slowly around a dirt track?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, thanks for making the race team on topic;) We are currently seeking sponsors for the 2011 season if anybody is interested in working with a race team;) Scotty Why? The competition must be getting a little tougher as the kids age and the third, fourth and fifth place finishers drop out. Planning on winning any races this year? |
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On 1/7/11 3:12 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 2:37 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jan 7, 2:23 pm, wrote: On 1/7/11 2:13 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:11:09 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:51:51 -0500, "A.True.Boater" wrote: 3) "Torque Steer": One of the most annoying habits of many powerful front-drive cars Exactly and I don't even think 2 liters is that powerful; but if you are trying to pull out making a fast left turn in my Prelude you might not really be turning as fast as you thought and you are smoking a tire. (basically only one wheel is actually doing any steering) I loved my Prelude. I loved it even better when I put the V rated tires on it. Then I could take off ramps at 70 miles an hour and it wouldn't get all squishy. Off ramps are not the problem because you are decelerating into the turn. It is when you accelerate into a turn that it gets to be in the edge of control. (your typical left turn across traffic situation) If you hit that "VTec" bump in the middle of the turn, you better be ready. I am used to it now but there was a learning curve. Like I said before, when you need to "correct" you are going sideways, not forward... and remember the first law of racing, "smooth is fast"!!! This from your dozen hobbyist races of experience on a little motorcycle going slowly around a dirt track?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, thanks for making the race team on topic;) We are currently seeking sponsors for the 2011 season if anybody is interested in working with a race team;) Scotty Why? The competition must be getting a little tougher as the kids age and the third, fourth and fifth place finishers drop out. Planning on winning any races this year? Always plan on winning, if not, why race? Why, for the fun of it. I did some SCCA racing when I lived in KC with my Mini, a TR4 and a Formula Ford. Three years worth. I was never competitive with the Mini or the Triumph because they were my daily driver cars and I didn't have the money to do much serious tweaking with them. I typically finished 10th in a field of 15. I was a little better with the Formula A, but it wasn't my car and I didn't have to pay to keep it running. I was careful not to break it, though. I never "planned" on winning any of the races. The other guys had far faster cars and more experience and determination and racing skill, usually. I was happy enough competing and finishing without wrecking anything. I did it for fun. That was reason enough. |
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@mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 3:12 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , payer3389 @mypacks.net says... On 1/7/11 2:37 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote: On Jan 7, 2:23 pm, wrote: On 1/7/11 2:13 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:11:09 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:51:51 -0500, "A.True.Boater" wrote: 3) "Torque Steer": One of the most annoying habits of many powerful front-drive cars Exactly and I don't even think 2 liters is that powerful; but if you are trying to pull out making a fast left turn in my Prelude you might not really be turning as fast as you thought and you are smoking a tire. (basically only one wheel is actually doing any steering) I loved my Prelude. I loved it even better when I put the V rated tires on it. Then I could take off ramps at 70 miles an hour and it wouldn't get all squishy. Off ramps are not the problem because you are decelerating into the turn. It is when you accelerate into a turn that it gets to be in the edge of control. (your typical left turn across traffic situation) If you hit that "VTec" bump in the middle of the turn, you better be ready. I am used to it now but there was a learning curve. Like I said before, when you need to "correct" you are going sideways, not forward... and remember the first law of racing, "smooth is fast"!!! This from your dozen hobbyist races of experience on a little motorcycle going slowly around a dirt track?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, thanks for making the race team on topic;) We are currently seeking sponsors for the 2011 season if anybody is interested in working with a race team;) Scotty Why? The competition must be getting a little tougher as the kids age and the third, fourth and fifth place finishers drop out. Planning on winning any races this year? Always plan on winning, if not, why race? Why, for the fun of it. I did some SCCA racing when I lived in KC with my Mini, a TR4 and a Formula Ford. Three years worth. I was never competitive with the Mini or the Triumph because they were my daily driver cars and I didn't have the money to do much serious tweaking with them. I typically finished 10th in a field of 15. I was a little better with the Formula A, but it wasn't my car and I didn't have to pay to keep it running. I was careful not to break it, though. I never "planned" on winning any of the races. The other guys had far faster cars and more experience and determination and racing skill, usually. I was happy enough competing and finishing without wrecking anything. I did it for fun. That was reason enough. And the Harrylies start in 3.......2........1...... |
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"Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... *Your* in hell, normally called Halifax. try 'you're'.................... spoofer. Alright!! Nothing else so you have to turn back into the grammar cop!!! How's that RAV4 that the salesman talked you into believing that it's a truck?! Duh! The Honda Ridgeline is built the same way as my RAV4........ and it's classified as a medium sized truck. |
Smaller trucks?
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says... "Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... *Your* in hell, normally called Halifax. try 'you're'.................... spoofer. Alright!! Nothing else so you have to turn back into the grammar cop!!! How's that RAV4 that the salesman talked you into believing that it's a truck?! Duh! The Honda Ridgeline is built the same way as my RAV4........ and it's classified as a medium sized truck. No it's not! You have a car. It does NOT have a frame, it's unibody. It even uses the Camry engine!It's a cute girly car, certainly not a truck. You got screwed by the salesman if you believe that it's a truck. |
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On 1/7/11 4:22 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
You are right, I am choppy and scarey to race around... That's why I didn't race the final races this season after the injury. I was out of form and my friends didn't need a "weekend warrior" on the track while they battled out a three way virtual tie for first place. Now Jessi is another story.. One day A.J. Catanzaro (DAGS) was training riders at our home track. He kept pointing at Jessi as she came by the group during the day and later I asked him what they were watching. He said, "I was showing them what smooth looked like". Jessi was thrilled when she asked him the same question later.. A.J. is known for smooth, nobody does it better... Well, maybe Tony;) A.J. currently races for GPF and has been flying back and fourth to Germany for Supercross where he is on the podium every week, and at age 16 is the reigning (US) National Arenacross Champion... ;) Yeah, I will let him judge Jessi, not some vulgar old fart who wouldn't know a spoke from a sparkplug...;) If you are a serious racer, the only judge that counts is the checkered flag. How many does your team have? Is your racer competing against the 16-year-old wunderkind? How is she faring? Are they about the same age? |
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"YukonBound" wrote in message ...
"Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Spoofer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "A.True.Boater" wrote in message ... On 1/7/11 10:20 AM, YukonBound wrote: "Harryk" wrote in message ... On 1/6/11 10:25 PM, I am Tosk wrote: I still hate front wheel drive.. Just doesn't make sense to have the steering and drive on the same axle, Please explain. Scotty thinks he's right and the vast majority of automotive engineers don't know what they're doing! How long did he last as an 'oil change' technician for Mr. Goodwrench? Since you have some back to rec.boats the signal to noise ratio has changed. There is more noise and less signal. Why don't you stop stirring the pot, and start enjoying rec.boats as a boating forum? mmmm ................when in Rome...... *Your* in hell, normally called Halifax. try 'you're'.................... spoofer. Alright!! Nothing else so you have to turn back into the grammar cop!!! How's that RAV4 that the salesman talked you into believing that it's a truck?! Duh! The Honda Ridgeline is built the same way as my RAV4........ and it's classified as a medium sized truck. I thought you were aware that the rav4 was built on a celica platform. -- Ziggy® |
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