On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....

...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible
conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via
inaction, to do so.

Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of
fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the
people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump
ship to stay home and organize for change.

Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from
impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should
stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we
always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a
bid to hurt England.



Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will
provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners
who came here and built America.

Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the
Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose
members came here with nothing.

On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:19 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....

...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible
conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via
inaction, to do so.

Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of
fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the
people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump
ship to stay home and organize for change.

Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from
impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should
stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we
always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a
bid to hurt England.



Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will
provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners
who came here and built America.

Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the
Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose
members came here with nothing.

You are entirely correct, prior to 1875. Then, we finally figured out
that we couldn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants and maintain an
acceptable standard of living. Since that time, we have imposed some
form of limitation on the number and (even earlier) the competence of
those wishing to LEGALLY immigrate.

Maybe you would like to address the issue of why this latest spate of
(illegal) immigrants are treated as if they are immune from US
laws.... I certainly don't get it....

As early as 1906, learning to speak the English language was a
requirement. In 1990, under George H. W. Bush, that requirement was
effectively tossed out and the number of immigrants per year was
increased. We are headed in the wrong direction.

Since the earliest laws, US immigration laws sought to insure that
those coming into the country were (or would be) productive citizens.
That no longer holds true.....



I have no opposition to the imposition of serious border patrols,
extremely restrictive immigration and trade policies that penalize
corporations that offshore jobs to cheap labor countries.

"Paul@BYC" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:19 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....

...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible
conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via
inaction, to do so.

Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of
fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the
people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump
ship to stay home and organize for change.

Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from
impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should
stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we
always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a
bid to hurt England.



Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will
provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners
who came here and built America.

Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the
Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose
members came here with nothing.

You are entirely correct, prior to 1875. Then, we finally figured out
that we couldn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants and maintain an
acceptable standard of living. Since that time, we have imposed some
form of limitation on the number and (even earlier) the competence of
those wishing to LEGALLY immigrate.

Maybe you would like to address the issue of why this latest spate of
(illegal) immigrants are treated as if they are immune from US
laws.... I certainly don't get it....

As early as 1906, learning to speak the English language was a
requirement. In 1990, under George H. W. Bush, that requirement was
effectively tossed out and the number of immigrants per year was
increased. We are headed in the wrong direction.

Since the earliest laws, US immigration laws sought to insure that
those coming into the country were (or would be) productive citizens.
That no longer holds true.....



I have no opposition to the imposition of serious border patrols,
extremely restrictive immigration and trade policies that penalize
corporations that offshore jobs to cheap labor countries.

Poor plump Paul. If you wish to stay on as a sock puppet, I suggest you lose the Harryisms. Snerk!

--
Ziggy®

In article , says...

"Paul@BYC" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:19 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/2010 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....

...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible
conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via
inaction, to do so.

Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of
fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the
people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump
ship to stay home and organize for change.

Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from
impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should
stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we
always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a
bid to hurt England.



Even a cursory reading of the history of immigrants on this country will
provide evidence of the impact of millions of impoverished foreigners
who came here and built America.

Who helped build America? The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, the
Germans, the Chinese, and just about every other ethnic group whose
members came here with nothing.

You are entirely correct, prior to 1875. Then, we finally figured out
that we couldn't allow unlimited numbers of immigrants and maintain an
acceptable standard of living. Since that time, we have imposed some
form of limitation on the number and (even earlier) the competence of
those wishing to LEGALLY immigrate.

Maybe you would like to address the issue of why this latest spate of
(illegal) immigrants are treated as if they are immune from US
laws.... I certainly don't get it....

As early as 1906, learning to speak the English language was a
requirement. In 1990, under George H. W. Bush, that requirement was
effectively tossed out and the number of immigrants per year was
increased. We are headed in the wrong direction.

Since the earliest laws, US immigration laws sought to insure that
those coming into the country were (or would be) productive citizens.
That no longer holds true.....



I have no opposition to the imposition of serious border patrols,
extremely restrictive immigration and trade policies that penalize
corporations that offshore jobs to cheap labor countries.

Poor plump Paul. If you wish to stay on as a sock puppet, I suggest you lose the Harryisms. Snerk!

Damn it, you get a super double Snotty for that.