On 12/20/10 7:48 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 20, 6:40 am, wrote:
On 12/20/10 7:34 AM, Tim wrote:



On Dec 20, 5:19 am, I am wrote:
In articlea56a3a78-9fac-4443-9622-db25c0333720
@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 19, 11:17 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
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i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

Lady, I'm not worth it,. don't hasssle with me, ok?

Good God Tim... Good God...snerk.

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!

Yeah, Scott. i guess i could say that I just got penalized for
starting a boating post in a boating news group... LOL!

Mu guess is the comment had more to do with your qualification of
compassion.

Could be. but less doesn't mean 'none.' Still it would almost be
amusing if it wasnt' so sad to see somebody fly off a handle like
that...


Compassion on a scale...interesting concept.

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

On 12/20/10 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500,
wrote:

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....

...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible
conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via
inaction, to do so.

Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of
fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the
people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump
ship to stay home and organize for change.

Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from
impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should
stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we
always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a
bid to hurt England.







I'll admit to not knowing much about Pakistan, other than what led to
its formation. Pakistan, at least, is a nation, of sorts. Afghanistan is
not. It's a collection of villages and empty spaces, and for the most
part, people in one village don't know the people in the next village.
There is no sense of nationalism in Afghanistan and when you suggest
they "organize," well, I doubt they have the literacy skills and I know
they don't have the experience to do that. They are not former English
colonists, after all.

Mexicans certainly have the ability to turn their nation around and get
rid of their horribly corrupt governments. Maybe another revolution is
necessary.

In the 1970s, I visited Cancun when it was just being built up as a
resort town. There were three or four hotels there. We took a side trip
to Chichen Itza, in a tour bus along a fairly crappy road. The tour
guide said a good portion of what we were paying for the trip was being
set aside for a new road.

Twenty years later, I was on the same trip. The tour bus operator made
the same excuses for the crappy road.

Corruption.

On 12/20/10 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....


This isn't discussed nearly enough. It is corporation/financial services
company *greed* more than anything that is causing the downfall of the
United States and the concomitant loss of millions of of decent jobs.
The corporate world wants serfs, and serfdom is where we are heading.

On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote:



They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job.
You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it.



If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to
make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your
moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you.

"Harryk" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.








They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job.
You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it.


--
Ziggy®

In article , says...

"Harryk" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.








They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job.
You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it.

Hey, dumfoch, my Dr. Dr. Dr. wife has set up a fantastic foundation to
help with this cause. This foundation is as perfect as I am.

In article ,
says...

On 12/20/10 9:55 AM, Ziggy® wrote:



They want you to do more than feel badly. If you are so concerned about their well being, why don't you take in a dozen or so of them. Feed them. Clothe them. Put a roof over their heads. Educate them. Give them a little pocket change. Find them a cushy union job if they are inclined to have a job.
You certainly have the where with all to do this without making a huge personal sacrifice. God would love ya for it.



If you want to engage in adult discussion, that's fine. If you want to
make moronic, snarky comments, I *suggest* you save them for your
moronic, snarky buddies. It's up to you.

Another Snotty for the Harry ID spoofer. Nice name calling and insulting
though!

"Gene" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:26 -0500, Harryk
wrote:

On 12/20/10 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:17:00 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:14:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 19, 10:08 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:13:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/12/19/AR201...

Pretty sad deal actually. Try to seek saftey or a better life to have
it end tragically.

Tragic, to be sure, but I'm having trouble screwing up any more
compassion for them than I have for the illegals flooding into this
country....

--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Fort Agent 6.00 Build 1186

i know what you're saying Gene. i wonder if their case was to truely
seek asylum, or to sneak in then blend in and start leaching?

Id tend to me more compassionate for the former reason than i would be
the latter.

Good God! You want people to die. That's basically what you're saying.
God forbid people are actually looking for a better life. I guess your
ancestors didn't have to work at it to get here. I find your lack of
humanity astounding.

There is a huge difference between "wanting people to die," and
realizing the truth that people engaging in risky behavior are,
statistically, if nothing else, going to be hurt or killed.

People make their own decisions. If a criminal is hurt or killed
during the commission of a criminal act, they have to accept the
consequences. Their foolish actions brought about their fate.

This story isn't about "working to get here," this story is about
entering the country in a safe and sane manner, which doesn't, by the
way, involve insanely dangerous marine escapades designed to subvert
the system.

If you want to talk about somebody "working for something," why not
expect these illegals to adopt the attitude of many of OUR forbears?
Why shouldn't they dig in their heels, stay where they are in their
own country, and make changes for themselves and their families?
Instead, these are the cowards flocking to other countries to enjoy
the benefits gained at the expense of the death and sacrifices of
other folks forbears.



Considering the areas of the world from which they are emigrating, and
the horrors and turmoil taking place there, it's a bit much to suggest
that they "make changes for themselves and their families" in their
homelands.

This country was populated from the mid 19th Century through much of the
20th Century by people fleeing their homelands for many of the same
reasons the Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians are leaving. Those immigrants did
not stay behind to "make changes for themselves and their families,"
they got on a boat or walked across the border to get here.
What happens to those even suggesting making changes in Iran and Iraq?
They get shot.

Further, in Iraq, our upheaval of that country forced a million Iraqis
to leave their homeland because of religious persecution and "ethnic
cleansing."

As for many of the original invaders of Australia, well, they were sent
there as criminals from the English penal system.

The point is, these people *died* trying to get to a new homeland for
whatever reasons. If you are a compassionate person, you feel badly for
their loss and the losses of their families who survived.

I appreciate the fact that the world isn't as it used to be, and that
times are tough everywhere. But let's put the blame for that where it
belongs, on greedy corporate interests, and not on impoverished peoples
trying to find a place where there might be a better life.

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....

...one cannot lose sight of the fact that people live in horrible
conditions, at least as *we* see it, because they choose, via
inaction, to do so.

Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't be the festering sores of
fundamental religion, ignorance, hatred, misogyny, etc..... if the
people wanted it to be different. It is time for those wishing to jump
ship to stay home and organize for change.

Ditto for those from south of the US seeking relief from
impoverishment. Rather than dilute my standard of living, they should
stay home and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... like we
always have.... Who has ever help America, except for the French, in a
bid to hurt England.





--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186


It's taken them thousands of years for them to get to the point where they can be all that they can be. We have sacrificed thousands of American lives to help them be better. But they seem to be happy the way they are. The few that aren't happy seem to want a piece of the American Pie for free.

--
Ziggy®

"Harryk" wrote in message ...
On 12/20/10 9:01 AM, Gene wrote:

While it is true that greed and the unfettered natural predatory and
self-serving existence of corporations causes problems....


This isn't discussed nearly enough. It is corporation/financial services
company *greed* more than anything that is causing the downfall of the
United States and the concomitant loss of millions of of decent jobs.
The corporate world wants serfs, and serfdom is where we are heading.


The other side of the coin is, the unions demand too much and give back too little. Seems to be a little greed going on there too.

--
Ziggy®