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OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Nov 25, 1:13*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:48:26 -0800 (PST), "Jack." wrote: On Nov 24, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:19:37 -0800 (PST), "Jack." wrote: On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security.. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach.. Most of this should happen before the airport. This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does achieve something toward that. *It does not try to make the airport itself safe... that has never been the goal. *If a terrorist simply wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are more target dense and less secure than an airport. *Concerts and sporting events, to name two. Something, but not very much. Why would a terrorist care if he killed people on the ground vs. in the air? It's pretty obvious that anyone trying to get on a plane has to go through a lot more hassle than simply walking into the airport. I thought the point was to make us safer? I don't recall DHS claiming to make us safer only on the plane. The conversation is about TSA agents and security screening at airports. *That's only about airborne security. Wider DHS measures are another thing completely. So boarding isn't related to airborne security? Nice try! ??????? The boarding process is exactly what we were talking about. That begins when you leave the general area, process through TSA security, and go to the gate area. Ticketed passengers only. It's not just walking down the jetway. Do you understand the distinction, and process? If you want to be safer while flying, don't allow the cockpit doors to be opened during flights. Then, no matter what sharp implement is available (and there are plenty) the pilots can't be involved other than landing the plane. ?????? The cockpit doors were reinforced after 9/11 to prevent forced entry. Have you not flow in the last 9 years? |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
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says... On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:26:50 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:19 -0800, wrote: If you want to be safer while flying, don't allow the cockpit doors to be opened during flights. Then, no matter what sharp implement is available (and there are plenty) the pilots can't be involved other than landing the plane. Have you ever watched the dance they go through when a pilot uses the rest room? (it involves most of the air crew) A bad guy is not going through that door, knife or not. The Israelis don't have this problem... Because they profile. Most hard core liberals are against profiling, don't you know? |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
"Crotchedy Harry" wrote in message ...
In article , says... On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:26:50 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:19 -0800, wrote: If you want to be safer while flying, don't allow the cockpit doors to be opened during flights. Then, no matter what sharp implement is available (and there are plenty) the pilots can't be involved other than landing the plane. Have you ever watched the dance they go through when a pilot uses the rest room? (it involves most of the air crew) A bad guy is not going through that door, knife or not. The Israelis don't have this problem... Because they profile. Most hard core liberals are against profiling, don't you know? Liberals don't want you profiling. They do it all the time. It's called "sizing up" the opponent. The thing is when they make a mistake, they never admit they were wrong. Check out Krause, Deplume, Jps, Donny etc. You'll see what I mean. -- Ziggy® |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:28:13 -0500, Ziggy® wrote:
Liberals don't want you profiling. They do it all the time. It's called "sizing up" the opponent. The thing is when they make a mistake, they never admit they were wrong. Check out Krause, Deplume, Jps, Donny etc. You'll see what I mean. Knock it off. Seriously. |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:19:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:28:13 -0500, Ziggy® wrote: Liberals don't want you profiling. They do it all the time. It's called "sizing up" the opponent. The thing is when they make a mistake, they never admit they were wrong. Check out Krause, Deplume, Jps, Donny etc. You'll see what I mean. Knock it off. Seriously. Hope your Thanksgiving went well! My rotisserie turkey was spectacular. Just wish I could do one bigger than 15 lbs, 'cause there's not enough leftovers for another meal. This year I put the ham on a water smoker for about four hours. Wow. What a great flavor. -- Hope you're having a great day! John H |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:28:13 -0500, Ziggy® wrote: Liberals don't want you profiling. They do it all the time. It's called "sizing up" the opponent. The thing is when they make a mistake, they never admit they were wrong. Check out Krause, Deplume, Jps, Donny etc. You'll see what I mean. Knock it off. Seriously. OK -- Ziggy® |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Nov 26, 10:24*am, John H wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:19:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:28:13 -0500, Ziggy® wrote: Liberals don't want you profiling. They do it all the time. It's called "sizing up" the opponent. The thing is when they make a mistake, they never admit they were wrong. Check out Krause, Deplume, Jps, Donny etc. You'll see what I mean. Knock it off. * Seriously. Hope your Thanksgiving went well! My rotisserie turkey was spectacular. Just wish I could do one bigger than 15 lbs, 'cause there's not enough leftovers for another meal. This year I put the ham on a water smoker for about four hours. Wow. What a great flavor. -- Hope you're having a great day! John H The local Mennonites here do a great job of smoking or deep frying turkeys for people. Very reasonable too. This years was better than ever. |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Nov 26, 1:29*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:53:59 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: What is a "Water Smoker"? A smoker with a pan of water under the food. It puts some steam in the smoke. Most of them do it. How low can you keep the temps on something like that? I smoke my meat at 160 degrees F and don't let the smoke house get hotter. I do that with a length of 8" pipe from the fire box to the smokehouse... I always wondered how you kept the temps that low for so long without some flame in the firebox... |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:29:56 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:53:59 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: What is a "Water Smoker"? A smoker with a pan of water under the food. It puts some steam in the smoke. Most of them do it. For the ham, I also throw in some cloves and half a bottle of red wine. Gives a nice flavor. -- Hope you're having a great day! John H |
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