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OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Nov 24, 4:00*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:34:43 -0800 (PST), "Jack." wrote: . A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they re going to confiscate his nail clippers My BS detector just went off TSA says Items permitted in aircraft cabins: * * * Pets (if permitted by airline check with airline for procedures) * * * Walking canes and umbrellas (once inspected to ensure prohibited items are not concealed) * * * Nail clippers with nail files attached * * * Nail files * * * Tweezers * * * Safety razors (including disposable razors) * * * Syringes (with medication and professionally printed label identifying medication or manufacturer’s name) * * * Insulin delivery systems * * * Eyelash curlers Might be BS, I can't say for sure. Nail clippers being on the allowed list doesn't mean the story isn't true. Children weren't supposed to be aggressively patted down, but they are. Besides, I have seen the confiscated items at an airport, and have seen nail clippers among the items. Maybe the list changed? Personal story... on a trip to Napa Valley a few years ago, they confiscated a souvenir corkscrew at security when returning. It was in my wife's purse. They did let us mail it back home. When we got home and were unpacking, my wife reached into her purse to get something, and her pepper spray fell out. She had it with her on the plane out there and back, through security twice, and no one noticed. |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach. Most of this should happen before the airport. This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does achieve something toward that. It does not try to make the airport itself safe... that has never been the goal. If a terrorist simply wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are more target dense and less secure than an airport. Concerts and sporting events, to name two. |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
"Jack." wrote in message ... On Nov 24, 4:00 pm, wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:34:43 -0800 (PST), "Jack." wrote: . A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they re going to confiscate his nail clippers My BS detector just went off TSA says Items permitted in aircraft cabins: * Pets (if permitted by airline check with airline for procedures) * Walking canes and umbrellas (once inspected to ensure prohibited items are not concealed) * Nail clippers with nail files attached * Nail files * Tweezers * Safety razors (including disposable razors) * Syringes (with medication and professionally printed label identifying medication or manufacturer’s name) * Insulin delivery systems * Eyelash curlers Might be BS, I can't say for sure. Nail clippers being on the allowed list doesn't mean the story isn't true. Children weren't supposed to be aggressively patted down, but they are. Besides, I have seen the confiscated items at an airport, and have seen nail clippers among the items. Maybe the list changed? Personal story... on a trip to Napa Valley a few years ago, they confiscated a souvenir corkscrew at security when returning. It was in my wife's purse. They did let us mail it back home. When we got home and were unpacking, my wife reached into her purse to get something, and her pepper spray fell out. She had it with her on the plane out there and back, through security twice, and no one noticed. ---------- Nail clippers and cuticle scissors are now ok whereas the were prohibited for the first 5 years or so. Butane lighters are also allowed now and this is because it was costing too much to dispose of them due to hazmat classification. When lighters were prohibited you could carry 5 books of paper matches? |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
wrote in message ... On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach. Most of this should happen before the airport. ---------- A big problem I have with pouring so much money into airport security is that it's reactionary management and we basically ignore the other methods of entry into the continental US. But it seems to be more for show than anything else. We're acting like a boxer that only protects himself from a right hook and leaves himself wide open to any other blow. Not a good plan for someone that doesn't enjoy getting his a-- kicked. |
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OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Nov 24, 6:59*pm, BAR wrote:
In article 815c57c4-1a75-4339-947d- , says... On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach. Most of this should happen before the airport. This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does achieve something toward that. *It does not try to make the airport itself safe... that has never been the goal. *If a terrorist simply wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are more target dense and less secure than an airport. *Concerts and sporting events, to name two. Persons on private flights are not subjected to TSA molestation but, they have the capacity to fly the plane into something because they have control of it already. Private airplanes, in general, don't carry 375 innocent people that just want to get to a destination, and the vast majority aren't the size of a 767. The TSA is nothing more than a jobs program. It's a little more than that, but not much. It's how our government does airport screening / security. What else do we want to turn over to them? |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:19:37 -0800 (PST), "Jack."
wrote: On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach. Most of this should happen before the airport. This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does achieve something toward that. It does not try to make the airport itself safe... that has never been the goal. If a terrorist simply wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are more target dense and less secure than an airport. Concerts and sporting events, to name two. Something, but not very much. Why would a terrorist care if he killed people on the ground vs. in the air? It's pretty obvious that anyone trying to get on a plane has to go through a lot more hassle than simply walking into the airport. I thought the point was to make us safer? I don't recall DHS claiming to make us safer only on the plane. |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:18:10 -0800 (PST), "Jack."
wrote: On Nov 24, 6:59*pm, BAR wrote: In article 815c57c4-1a75-4339-947d- , says... On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach. Most of this should happen before the airport. This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does achieve something toward that. *It does not try to make the airport itself safe... that has never been the goal. *If a terrorist simply wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are more target dense and less secure than an airport. *Concerts and sporting events, to name two. Persons on private flights are not subjected to TSA molestation but, they have the capacity to fly the plane into something because they have control of it already. Private airplanes, in general, don't carry 375 innocent people that just want to get to a destination, and the vast majority aren't the size of a 767. The TSA is nothing more than a jobs program. It's a little more than that, but not much. It's how our government does airport screening / security. What else do we want to turn over to them? So, you think it should be turned over to a for-profit company? Who's going to regulate that? Do you really want Halliburton looking down your pants? |
OT not getting to Barbados the hard way
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:05:49 -0500, "MMC" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote: I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image, having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll all stay safe. It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because of the new rules, at least they got home safe. ------- The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it bipartisan? If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board, like before? It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security. I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p. There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach. Most of this should happen before the airport. ---------- A big problem I have with pouring so much money into airport security is that it's reactionary management and we basically ignore the other methods of entry into the continental US. But it seems to be more for show than anything else. We're acting like a boxer that only protects himself from a right hook and leaves himself wide open to any other blow. Not a good plan for someone that doesn't enjoy getting his a-- kicked. Exactly! |
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