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Why so few boating related posts?
I know the season is ending.
What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 10/29/10 4:53 PM, Paul@BYC wrote:
I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. I've arranged for a diesel service company to send a tech to my boat when she is hauled next month. He'll take care of the engines, generator, cooling, et cetera, and I'll drain the fresh water tanks and get some help to pull the batteries and take them to my basement, along with removable upholstery. i'm reading up on what else needs to be done. I had a boat almost this size a couple years ago, but it wasn't a plush boat, so there is more to do now. Once we're done with whatever needs doing, the yard's "shrinkwrapper guys" will seal the boat up for the winter. |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:20:49 -0400, Secular Humouresque
wrote: I'll drain the fresh water tanks and get some help to pull the batteries and take them to my basement, One thing that's easy to forget is the hot water heater. Of course if you have water cooled air conditioning or refigeration, that requires winterization also. Regarding batteries, there is really no reason to bring them home as long as you leave them fully charged and disconnected. |
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On Oct 29, 3:53*pm, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. I have an 18 ft, and a 23 ft. They are in my warehouse and are tucked away. The 30' Pontoon (barge) has had the furniture pulled and will have to fend for itself out in the relentless cold cruel world! |
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On 10/29/10 7:42 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. How do you store the batteries in the winter, do you manage them during the time off? I clean the batteries when I get them home, put a bit of grease on the lugs, charge them up slowly, and then charge them up once a month to keep them fully charged. |
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On Oct 29, 4:53*pm, "Paul@BYC" wrote:
I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. I store my old classic in a shed. Description, please..... |
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On Oct 29, 8:05*pm, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/29/10 7:42 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. How do you store the batteries in the winter, do you manage them during the time off? I clean the batteries when I get them home, put a bit of grease on the lugs, charge them up slowly, and then charge them up once a month to keep them fully charged. Hopefully NOT sitting on concrete. I put plywood under mine. |
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On 10/30/10 1:33 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:46:21 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: I like to take 'em home to clean 'em up, slow charge them and keep them reasonably warm over the winter. I put a slow trickle charge on once a month, and also a charge on 'em just before I return to the boat. A lot of diesel starting batteries weigh over 100 lbs, much too heavy to cart them around unnecessarily. Our trawler has a pair of 8Ds which are not uncommon, about 140 lbs each. I have to rig a block and tackle from the engine room overhead just to lift them into place. Let us know how you make out. Yeah, I've been wondering whether I really want to do that. The shrinkwrap guy says he can rig a "door" out of plastic so I can get into the boat during the winter if needed. But I doubt the boat will be close enough on the hard to run an extension cord to the charger to the batteries. I might be able to run the charger off my little honda gas generator and run a cord up from the ground to the charger. |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:27:53 -0400, Secular Humouresque
wrote: On 10/30/10 1:33 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:46:21 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: I like to take 'em home to clean 'em up, slow charge them and keep them reasonably warm over the winter. I put a slow trickle charge on once a month, and also a charge on 'em just before I return to the boat. A lot of diesel starting batteries weigh over 100 lbs, much too heavy to cart them around unnecessarily. Our trawler has a pair of 8Ds which are not uncommon, about 140 lbs each. I have to rig a block and tackle from the engine room overhead just to lift them into place. Let us know how you make out. Yeah, I've been wondering whether I really want to do that. The shrinkwrap guy says he can rig a "door" out of plastic so I can get into the boat during the winter if needed. But I doubt the boat will be close enough on the hard to run an extension cord to the charger to the batteries. I might be able to run the charger off my little honda gas generator and run a cord up from the ground to the charger. That's what I'd do, and the zipper door is a good idea in any case. We used to do that with our old Bertram up north. The shrinkwrap provided a lot of solar heating so it was fairly comfortable on the boat even in cold weather - good for getting winter projects done. You'll find that the batteries won't need much charging as long as they are completely switched off or disconnected. |
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On 10/30/10 3:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:27:53 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 1:33 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:46:21 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: I like to take 'em home to clean 'em up, slow charge them and keep them reasonably warm over the winter. I put a slow trickle charge on once a month, and also a charge on 'em just before I return to the boat. A lot of diesel starting batteries weigh over 100 lbs, much too heavy to cart them around unnecessarily. Our trawler has a pair of 8Ds which are not uncommon, about 140 lbs each. I have to rig a block and tackle from the engine room overhead just to lift them into place. Let us know how you make out. Yeah, I've been wondering whether I really want to do that. The shrinkwrap guy says he can rig a "door" out of plastic so I can get into the boat during the winter if needed. But I doubt the boat will be close enough on the hard to run an extension cord to the charger to the batteries. I might be able to run the charger off my little honda gas generator and run a cord up from the ground to the charger. That's what I'd do, and the zipper door is a good idea in any case. We used to do that with our old Bertram up north. The shrinkwrap provided a lot of solar heating so it was fairly comfortable on the boat even in cold weather - good for getting winter projects done. You'll find that the batteries won't need much charging as long as they are completely switched off or disconnected. What? Even the bilge pumps are disconnected? :) |
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On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:37:30 -0400, Gene
wrote: Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. It was pretty crazy here for a while and we lost a lot of good folks. Hopefully some will come back. How are things with you and the fine state of North Carolina? |
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On 10/30/10 5:53 PM, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! I think I was permanently spoiled by the much, much, much better salt water fishing along the Atlantic Coast and in the ICW of Florida and Georgia. On its best days, compared to Florida, Chesapeake Bay fishing...sucks. To do the sort of fishing I wanted to do, you'd have to be living around Virginia Beach. We were doing a lot of other things on the boats we've had up here and not doing a lot of fishing. Took me less than a week to sell my 21' Parker as the arrival of the new boat got closer. The buyer found me through, believe it or not, Craig's List. I've booked three days of ocean fishing next month in Florida...that should get me through the winter. |
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On 10/30/10 6:35 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk You keep claiming that the ID spoofers served some sort of purpose here, or were useful. That's bull****. All they did was disrupt this newsgroup further, and drive away posters. The best thing that could happen to usenet would be moderated-only newsgroups. It's time to move on, and time to leave behind that silliness. |
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On Oct 30, 9:52*am, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:46:21 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 10:39 AM, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT), lj *wrote: On Oct 30, 8:51 am, *wrote: On Oct 29, 8:05 pm, Secular *wrote: On 10/29/10 7:42 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. How do you store the batteries in the winter, do you manage them during the time off? I clean the batteries when I get them home, put a bit of grease on the lugs, charge them up slowly, and then charge them up once a month to keep them fully charged. Hopefully NOT sitting on concrete. I put plywood under mine.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The batteries and concrete thing is an urban legend. Actually, it isn't... It is, however, obsolete information. Decades ago, when battery cases were made of asphaltic substances, you could drain a battery by leaving it on a wet surface, concrete or otherwise. Today, with plastic cases, it is not an issue.... I like to take 'em home to clean 'em up, slow charge them and keep them reasonably warm over the winter. I put a slow trickle charge on once a month, and also a charge on 'em just before I return to the boat. I have a permanent mount multi bank charger in the boat and keep it plugged in at the yard, so I don't remove the boat batteries. However I've had good luck with these little guys on other things like the motorcycle..... http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2201_200332201 I think they really will desulfate a sick battery.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. *-Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Good to see you, Gene! |
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On 10/31/10 10:27 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:38:09 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: You keep claiming that the ID spoofers served some sort of purpose here, or were useful. You have to admit, they *did* accomplish the task of running nearly everybody else off.... I'm glad you agree. The spoofers and their supporters work hard to deny that indisputable fact. |
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On 10/31/10 10:31 AM, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:52:42 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:37:30 -0400, Gene wrote: Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. It was pretty crazy here for a while and we lost a lot of good folks. Hopefully some will come back. How are things with you and the fine state of North Carolina? Good....! We're still boating with the same old boat in the same old places, but it is and always has been fun. Getting cool enough for some seafood chowder, now.... Nothing much has changed, but my son got married to a really cool girl. He's still doing the PD thing and has made the SWAT team. You still happy with those 'zukes? I know two guys up here at the local fisherman's marina who repowered with them and they are satisfied. They were running two strokes. |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:33 -0400, Gene
wrote: How are things with you and the fine state of North Carolina? Good....! We're still boating with the same old boat in the same old places, but it is and always has been fun. Getting cool enough for some seafood chowder, now.... Nothing much has changed, but my son got married to a really cool girl. He's still doing the PD thing and has made the SWAT team. Good, glad to hear things are well with you. We miss hearing about your monster tool projects - wish I had some of that stuff and knew how to use it. My favorite machine tool, other than a drill press, is a Dremel. It's amazing what you can do with it given some time and patience. Maybe a couple of us should EMAIL Chuck Gould and invite him back. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:31:33 -0400, Gene wrote: How are things with you and the fine state of North Carolina? Good....! We're still boating with the same old boat in the same old places, but it is and always has been fun. Getting cool enough for some seafood chowder, now.... Nothing much has changed, but my son got married to a really cool girl. He's still doing the PD thing and has made the SWAT team. Good, glad to hear things are well with you. We miss hearing about your monster tool projects - wish I had some of that stuff and knew how to use it. My favorite machine tool, other than a drill press, is a Dremel. It's amazing what you can do with it given some time and patience. Maybe a couple of us should EMAIL Chuck Gould and invite him back. Speaking about tools................... Gene, do you have any opinion on the Fein Multi Master oscillating tool................. or the cheaper copies now available? This week Sears had their Craftsman model at 20% off. I have a few 12" ceramic floor tiles to replace and wonder if this tool would be a worthwhile investment. BTW I was lucky enough to find a wet tile cutter on sale at 66% off this week. |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:42:14 -0300, "YukonBound"
wrote: Speaking about tools................... Gene, do you have any opinion on the Fein Multi Master oscillating tool................. or the cheaper copies now available? This week Sears had their Craftsman model at 20% off. I have a few 12" ceramic floor tiles to replace and wonder if this tool would be a worthwhile investment. BTW I was lucky enough to find a wet tile cutter on sale at 66% off this week. I assume that you would use the MultiMaster to cut away the grouting between tiles? People seem to like them but I haven't tried one yet. There are a lot of reviews on amazon.com of both the MultiMaster and some of the competitors. The competition gets mostly weak marks on durability but might be OK on small jobs/occasional use. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:42:14 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: Speaking about tools................... Gene, do you have any opinion on the Fein Multi Master oscillating tool................. or the cheaper copies now available? This week Sears had their Craftsman model at 20% off. I have a few 12" ceramic floor tiles to replace and wonder if this tool would be a worthwhile investment. BTW I was lucky enough to find a wet tile cutter on sale at 66% off this week. I assume that you would use the MultiMaster to cut away the grouting between tiles? People seem to like them but I haven't tried one yet. There are a lot of reviews on amazon.com of both the MultiMaster and some of the competitors. The competition gets mostly weak marks on durability but might be OK on small jobs/occasional use. Yes, believe I saw some of those reviews. Up here, the version of the Fein tool available costs $400.00 (case and quite a few accessories) The Craftsman with six attachments ,,, about $129.00 less 20% this week. |
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"Gene" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:42:14 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: Fein Multi Master Not really familiar with that make, but the concept is sound. They are marketing medical technology to the "handyman" market. Those tools reciprocation/vibration are the same technology as surgical bone saws. I'd think they would be *very* controllable and probably a best tool to deal with cutting out grout..... snip.. Think I'll see if I can swing the professional grade stuff on my modest pension.... |
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"Gene" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:54:32 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:42:14 -0300, "YukonBound" wrote: Speaking about tools................... Gene, do you have any opinion on the Fein Multi Master oscillating tool................. or the cheaper copies now available? This week Sears had their Craftsman model at 20% off. I have a few 12" ceramic floor tiles to replace and wonder if this tool would be a worthwhile investment. BTW I was lucky enough to find a wet tile cutter on sale at 66% off this week. I assume that you would use the MultiMaster to cut away the grouting between tiles? People seem to like them but I haven't tried one yet. There are a lot of reviews on amazon.com of both the MultiMaster and some of the competitors. The competition gets mostly weak marks on durability but might be OK on small jobs/occasional use. Yes, believe I saw some of those reviews. Up here, the version of the Fein tool available costs $400.00 (case and quite a few accessories) The Craftsman with six attachments ,,, about $129.00 less 20% this week. My tool boxes are full of Craftsman hand tools and I own a few of the older power tools. However, since they dropped the good/better/best marketing scheme, IHMO, the power tools they sell are cheap crap unworthy of purchase. Just me, but I always opt for the quality tool.... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. -Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 For the home user, the Craftsman, Harbor Freight multitools will be fine. The patent expired on the multitool is why everyone is copying Fein. Lots of the cheaper tools will be good for an occasional user. Will fail with the commercial high use stuff. Home Depot has a Ryobi multitool for less than $99 here. |
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On Oct 31, 6:52*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:43:56 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Craftsman is glorified crap in my opinion... Most of my hand tools were bought from the Snap-Along guy back when I was a wrench.. We have predominantly Snap-On where I work and I think we've had proportionately more broken Snap-On tools than even Westward tools. Danaher makes Craftsman.... and Armstrong, Allen, K-D, Matco, Sata and others.... *same warranty as Snap-On...... -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. *-Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Snap-on ratchets are substandard IMO. Well the gears are too fine and easily stripped, especially when you take their typical 3/8's drive ratchet and put a 2' cheater pipe on it's handle while trying to break loose a left-hand threaded bolt while thinking it is a right-hand. Well, at least it should have been! ?;^ ) |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:37:16 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: For the home user, the Craftsman, Harbor Freight multitools will be fine. The patent expired on the multitool is why everyone is copying Fein. Lots of the cheaper tools will be good for an occasional user. Will fail with the commercial high use stuff. Home Depot has a Ryobi multitool for less than $99 here. Harbor Freight has one for $35. It's probably good enough for light duty grout cutting. http://www.harborfreight.com/multifu...ool-67256.html |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scotty snerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, HarryK wrote:
The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. A lot of progress has been made. |
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On 11/1/10 12:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, wrote: The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. A lot of progress has been made. Not with the right-wing ID spoofers active. |
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"HarryK" wrote in message ... On 11/1/10 12:18 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. I didn't doubt it for a second................... too many come here to irritate & agitate ................. and some to preach like those Southern Preachers.... ....the guys who tell the congregation to act in a righteous manner and then then lie, steal, cheat & fornicate etc when no one's looking. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 1:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 11/1/10 12:18 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. It's just the one... Just hold fire, and use your kill file. That's what the ID spoofer wants...to "killfile" HarryK or any other ID I use. Surely you understand that, right? |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 1:35 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 11/1/10 12:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, wrote: The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. A lot of progress has been made. Not with the right-wing ID spoofers active. Looks like the spoofer is going to win if you are going to start lashing out with the political trolls again. This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period.. Now if you are just looking for an excuse to jump off, here you go... How would you know the political leanings of the active ID spoofer(s)? Virtually all of the ID spoofers who have been active here recently have been on your side of the political spectrum. The exception was the one many thought was Loogy. I don't see a problem discussing a current problem here. There's no way to resolve it, of course. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 1:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 11/1/10 1:35 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, wrote: The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. A lot of progress has been made. Not with the right-wing ID spoofers active. Looks like the spoofer is going to win if you are going to start lashing out with the political trolls again. This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period.. Now if you are just looking for an excuse to jump off, here you go... How would you know the political leanings of the active ID spoofer(s)? Virtually all of the ID spoofers who have been active here recently have been on your side of the political spectrum. The exception was the one many thought was Loogy. I don't see a problem discussing a current problem here. There's no way to resolve it, of course. Again, I state as clearly as I can, I have no connection with the spoofer, don't use him as an excuse to use my political affiliation as a pejorative... That's name calling, even if you did snip it out of the above conversation... If you have no connection, as you state, then how do you know this: "This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period." A reasonable reader can conclude that you know who the ID spoofer is. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On Nov 1, 1:54*pm, HarryK wrote:
On 11/1/10 1:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 1:35 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, * *wrote: The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. * A lot of progress has been made. Not with the right-wing ID spoofers active. Looks like the spoofer is going to win if you are going to start lashing out with the political trolls again. This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period.. Now if you are just looking for an excuse to jump off, here you go... How would you know the political leanings of the active ID spoofer(s)? Virtually all of the ID spoofers who have been active here recently have been on your side of the political spectrum. The exception was the one many thought was Loogy. I don't see a problem discussing a current problem here. There's no way to resolve it, of course. Again, I state as clearly as I can, I have no connection with the spoofer, don't use him as an excuse to use my political affiliation as a pejorative... That's name calling, even if you did snip it out of the above conversation... If you have no connection, as you state, then how do you know this: "This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period." A reasonable reader can conclude that you know who the ID spoofer is.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A reasonable reader would not try to look for a hidden meaning.. I clearly said I have no connection, which means, I don't know him/her, I don't agree with him/her, I don't caucus with him/her, don't care about him/her. It is a spoofer, we don't know what political affiliation he/she is, period... He could be anybody, could be you.. I JUST DON'T KNOW! How hard is that? |
Why so few boating related posts?
On Nov 1, 1:46*pm, HarryK wrote:
On 11/1/10 1:35 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, * wrote: The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. * A lot of progress has been made. Not with the right-wing ID spoofers active. Looks like the spoofer is going to win if you are going to start lashing out with the political trolls again. This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period.. Now if you are just looking for an excuse to jump off, here you go... How would you know the political leanings of the active ID spoofer(s)? Virtually all of the ID spoofers who have been active here recently have been on your side of the political spectrum. The exception was the one many thought was Loogy. I don't see a problem discussing a current problem here. There's no way to resolve it, of course.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Besides, you are wrong.. Of the posters here who are still calling names, JPS, Don, Plume, and Slammer all lean in your direction politically... None of them are "righties".. so your obversations are skewed.. BTW, I haven't seen you oppose any of them for continuing to play the troll game, at the same time you are calling me out for not attacking a spoofer??? |
Why so few boating related posts?
"HarryK" wrote in message ... On 11/1/10 1:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:18 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. It's just the one... Just hold fire, and use your kill file. That's what the ID spoofer wants...to "killfile" HarryK or any other ID I use. Surely you understand that, right? The game seems to be to try and marginalize you. If everyone filters the spoofers each time they act up, your voice is effectively silenced in this newsgroup. Quite the little conspiracy! |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 2:18 PM, YukonBound wrote:
"HarryK" wrote in message ... On 11/1/10 1:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:18 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. It's just the one... Just hold fire, and use your kill file. That's what the ID spoofer wants...to "killfile" HarryK or any other ID I use. Surely you understand that, right? The game seems to be to try and marginalize you. If everyone filters the spoofers each time they act up, your voice is effectively silenced in this newsgroup. Quite the little conspiracy! That is their game. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 2:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Nov 1, 1:46 pm, wrote: On 11/1/10 1:35 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:25:51 -0400, wrote: The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. That's too negative. A lot of progress has been made. Not with the right-wing ID spoofers active. Looks like the spoofer is going to win if you are going to start lashing out with the political trolls again. This spoofer has nothing to do at all with *ANY* of the conservative posters here, period.. Now if you are just looking for an excuse to jump off, here you go... How would you know the political leanings of the active ID spoofer(s)? Virtually all of the ID spoofers who have been active here recently have been on your side of the political spectrum. The exception was the one many thought was Loogy. I don't see a problem discussing a current problem here. There's no way to resolve it, of course.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Besides, you are wrong.. Of the posters here who are still calling names, JPS, Don, Plume, and Slammer all lean in your direction politically... None of them are "righties".. so your obversations are skewed.. BTW, I haven't seen you oppose any of them for continuing to play the troll game, at the same time you are calling me out for not attacking a spoofer??? It's easy to block posts from JPS, Don, Plume and Slammer, if that is what you want to do, because they are not posting with the IDs of other posters, as far as I know. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 3:45 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 11/1/10 2:18 PM, YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... On 11/1/10 1:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:18 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. It's just the one... Just hold fire, and use your kill file. That's what the ID spoofer wants...to "killfile" HarryK or any other ID I use. Surely you understand that, right? The game seems to be to try and marginalize you. If everyone filters the spoofers each time they act up, your voice is effectively silenced in this newsgroup. Quite the little conspiracy! That is their game. I don't see why Don cares, he is still stirring up the pot and name calling... Either way, since you guys keep harping on it, I have an opinion on the spoofers too. They indeed were here to marginalize one poster, that is a fact, I do know the original spoofer quite well but he only spoofed for a day or two and was replaced by a much more prolific poster. I get the impression he was happy to step aside and watch... Quite frankly, maybe with the delicate touch of an Atomic Bomb, after all was said and done, it worked. Yes there was some collateral damage, and like any battle the "battle plan" went out the window on day one, but in the end, it worked. I have serious doubts that the target would be on board with the new policies of the oh so wise Great Sage of Zoar if he and/or his audience wasn't getting smashed into nonexistence by the spoofers... Just my opinion, since you all are posting yours, over and over again. Me? I'm just happy we got the group back with the exception of a couple who just can't help but troll.. It's the best it's been in nearly a decade. Buck up kids, talk about something fun before I have to post more motorcycle stuff.... One of my nephews started a mid-level job with a federal agency a few months ago in the area of computer security, specifically cryptology. I have no idea what he does for a living now, even if he explained it to me. What we both know, though, is that I paid for about half his college expenses through the master's degree he got last May. I do believe, though, that "resolving" usenet IDs and finding out the actual names of spoofers would be something he could do while comatose. I've been toying with the idea of asking him to do so with a couple of the spoofers here, just for grins, of course. I wouldn't do anything with the information. Oh...the "original spoofer" was Tom. The more prolific poster is flajim. |
Why so few boating related posts?
On 11/1/10 4:05 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In articlevYydnRDXte6ZhlLRnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@earthlink .com, says... On 11/1/10 3:45 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 2:18 PM, YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... On 11/1/10 1:32 PM, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On 11/1/10 12:18 PM, jps wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:26:40 -0400, Gene wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:32 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:42:38 -0400, Secular Humouresque wrote: On 10/30/10 5:37 PM, Gene wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:53:35 -0400, "Paul@BYC" wrote: I know the season is ending. What do you do with your boat(s) over the winter if you are not in the southern climes? I store my old classic in a shed. My newer boat spends the winter on the hard in a nearby boatyard, in a cradle the previous owner had built for her. The cradle has an A-frame that can be erected to support a couple of tarps. The old boat has a simple inboard marine engine that's easy enough to service. The newer boat has a pair of diesels that i have an outside contractor service. I take the batteries home. Looks like it is a little better than it was at the end of the year.... what I find striking is how few posts and posters.... and the absence of most of those that were here a few years ago. We have a goodly number of posters here who either have no interest in boating or very little interest in boating, and are here *only* to stir up crap against posters they don't like. Whatever excuses they offer up for their behavior, the fact remains that they and they alone are responsible for how they behave. That's the reality of rec.boats, Gene. Well, it certainly seems that I haven't missed a lot in the last 11 months..... though it *is* a little better than it was the last time I checked in.... July 4th weekend. I still hate the web groups, but they *are* moderated.... and I do get useful information and advice... How've you been? What's this I read about a new boat? You didn't keep Yo-Ho long! It started about a week ago... me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot easier. The spoofers have outlived their usefulness and when we had the opportunity we all remembered why we came here in the first place, adn here we are about a week later with a fairly stable base to work our way back from... Glad to have you back.. Big hugs from Scottysnerk Looks like I checked in at the right time. It still was crap here in July. Hope things stay on track.... "me and Harry got on board, that made it a lot eaisier." yikes. The ID spoofers are active again...this newsgroup is not on track and will never be. It's just the one... Just hold fire, and use your kill file. That's what the ID spoofer wants...to "killfile" HarryK or any other ID I use. Surely you understand that, right? The game seems to be to try and marginalize you. If everyone filters the spoofers each time they act up, your voice is effectively silenced in this newsgroup. Quite the little conspiracy! That is their game. I don't see why Don cares, he is still stirring up the pot and name calling... Either way, since you guys keep harping on it, I have an opinion on the spoofers too. They indeed were here to marginalize one poster, that is a fact, I do know the original spoofer quite well but he only spoofed for a day or two and was replaced by a much more prolific poster. I get the impression he was happy to step aside and watch... Quite frankly, maybe with the delicate touch of an Atomic Bomb, after all was said and done, it worked. Yes there was some collateral damage, and like any battle the "battle plan" went out the window on day one, but in the end, it worked. I have serious doubts that the target would be on board with the new policies of the oh so wise Great Sage of Zoar if he and/or his audience wasn't getting smashed into nonexistence by the spoofers... Just my opinion, since you all are posting yours, over and over again. Me? I'm just happy we got the group back with the exception of a couple who just can't help but troll.. It's the best it's been in nearly a decade. Buck up kids, talk about something fun before I have to post more motorcycle stuff.... One of my nephews started a mid-level job with a federal agency a few months ago in the area of computer security, specifically cryptology. I have no idea what he does for a living now, even if he explained it to me. What we both know, though, is that I paid for about half his college expenses through the master's degree he got last May. I do believe, though, that "resolving" usenet IDs and finding out the actual names of spoofers would be something he could do while comatose. I've been toying with the idea of asking him to do so with a couple of the spoofers here, just for grins, of course. I wouldn't do anything with the information. Oh...the "original spoofer" was Tom. The more prolific poster is flajim. no... I was the original spoofer.. About ten posts over three days then I was pushed out of the way so I sat back and watched from that point on. So, *you* started the mess, eh? Cute. |
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