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On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:56:40 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:42:05 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:16:41 -0700, wrote:

That's all true but history tells us that certain discussion topics
tend to get out of control, and attract the aforementioned
individuals. Let's remember that it is a boating group, and
presumably that is why you are here.

I'm not responsible for what other people do.

That's disingenuous, and indirectly you can be. Surely you have
heard of Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919)?

The law is on your side here but the effect is the same.

Schenck was largely vacated by the decisions of the Burger court in
the late 60s and early 70s, principally by the decision that affirmed
the right to say "FU@K the draft", which gutted Schenck.
Maybe you can shout "fire" in a crowded theater now.

Perhaps you're thinking of Brandenburg v. Ohio?

John H[_2_]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:29:43 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:00:54 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:45:39 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:42:21 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On Oct 28, 11:13*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:30:05 -0400, "Paul@BYC"

wrote:
On 10/28/2010 5:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:20:54 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
*wrote:

I read that the Peoples Republic of China now lays claim to the world's
fastest supercomputer. I don't know if any of the scientists involved in
that project were trained in the United States, but it would not
surprise me to learn some were.

I think the sun is setting on the United States for many reasons.

You may be right but that's a political statement anyway you slice it.
This is supposed to be (mostly) a boating group and past history here
is that nothing will get a food fight going faster than political or
religious pronouncements.

Don't start undoing your good work !

Political? A non-partisan observation about this country is political?
So, if I posted that "Democracy in the United States has worked well,"
that would be political?

How about, "The sun is setting on new boat sales in the United States
because of the price of fuel, the economy, and the closure of many boat
manufacturers and dealerships."

Better?

Is it political to discuss the lack of dredging in the ICW?

I thought the idea was to avoid partisan political posting.

It doesn't matter what you say here. There are some who'll find
political fault with it. Mostly, they're mean-spirited little men.
--
Nom=de=Plume
- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Apparently is doesn't matter what we say here, you are still stuck on
name calling...

So, you're claiming I called you a mean-spirited little man? Wow. I
was thinking of someone else, but if the shoe fits....

Can you knock it off? If me and ***** can do it, you should be able to.
When you came here a year or so ago, you said it was for boats but were
immediately consumed in the fire. Now you have a chance to join the
group you tried to join a year or so ago. Maybe you are not so motivated
as some of us, but then you don't remember how fun this boat group was a
decade ago, I do.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. What does consumed by fire
mean? Some people were obnoxious, and I occasionally responded to
that. You guys have been at this "war" for a while. Don't put it on
me.

What I meant by "consumed by fire" is.. I seriously doubt you came here
with the goal of becoming one of the most prolific one line, name
callers in the group, but you did. You probably came in to try to talk
boats, or meet some nice folks on line and once you jumped in, you found
out quickly rec.boats was an inferno already. Instead of jumping out of
the fire, you became just more fuel like so many others..

If you don't like what I have to say, feel free to plonk me.

Well as you know, I have had you plonked for months already pretty much
since you came here, but opened my filters last week to see how everyone
was gonna' act and I have had (and probably given) some pleasant
surprises. You have surprised me too, as although I don't feel you have
life experiences or point of view that would produce much of interest to
me, I never doubted you were an intelligent person and actually thought
you of all the folks here (involved in the flame fest) would pick up on
this "thing" a lot quicker than you have...

FYI, I don't respond to spoofers like Harry(r) if that's not obvious.

Yeah, well as long as he is being harry, and not trying to be Karen or
Harry Krause... I will let it ride for now...

I certainly disagree that I was anywhere near as prolific or
vociferous as others. Calling someone a moron is a bit different that
some of the more extreme terms I've seen used here. Certainly, I did
want to and still want to converse about boats.

Your plonking me or not is your concern not mine. My recollection is
that you were unwilling to listen to contrary points of view, it upset
you that I might have a different opinion and was willing to support
it forcefully.

And, then your next comment... "don't feel you have the life
experiences" .. well, many could say the same about your support of
the bickering and devisiveness of others of similar political views.

Forgive me, but I've been out of town until a couple of days ago, and
I didn't see, except second-hand, that there was a movement to clean
up the newsgroup. I'm happy to support that, certainly.

Your trip was most enjoyable.

Please don't change your current ID. It's lovely.

--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H

[email protected]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:22:01 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:29:43 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:00:54 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:45:39 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 00:42:21 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:

On Oct 28, 11:13*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:30:05 -0400, "Paul@BYC"

wrote:
On 10/28/2010 5:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:20:54 -0400, "Paul@BYC"
*wrote:

I read that the Peoples Republic of China now lays claim to the world's
fastest supercomputer. I don't know if any of the scientists involved in
that project were trained in the United States, but it would not
surprise me to learn some were.

I think the sun is setting on the United States for many reasons.

You may be right but that's a political statement anyway you slice it.
This is supposed to be (mostly) a boating group and past history here
is that nothing will get a food fight going faster than political or
religious pronouncements.

Don't start undoing your good work !

Political? A non-partisan observation about this country is political?
So, if I posted that "Democracy in the United States has worked well,"
that would be political?

How about, "The sun is setting on new boat sales in the United States
because of the price of fuel, the economy, and the closure of many boat
manufacturers and dealerships."

Better?

Is it political to discuss the lack of dredging in the ICW?

I thought the idea was to avoid partisan political posting.

It doesn't matter what you say here. There are some who'll find
political fault with it. Mostly, they're mean-spirited little men.
--
Nom=de=Plume
- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Apparently is doesn't matter what we say here, you are still stuck on
name calling...

So, you're claiming I called you a mean-spirited little man? Wow. I
was thinking of someone else, but if the shoe fits....

Can you knock it off? If me and ***** can do it, you should be able to.
When you came here a year or so ago, you said it was for boats but were
immediately consumed in the fire. Now you have a chance to join the
group you tried to join a year or so ago. Maybe you are not so motivated
as some of us, but then you don't remember how fun this boat group was a
decade ago, I do.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. What does consumed by fire
mean? Some people were obnoxious, and I occasionally responded to
that. You guys have been at this "war" for a while. Don't put it on
me.

What I meant by "consumed by fire" is.. I seriously doubt you came here
with the goal of becoming one of the most prolific one line, name
callers in the group, but you did. You probably came in to try to talk
boats, or meet some nice folks on line and once you jumped in, you found
out quickly rec.boats was an inferno already. Instead of jumping out of
the fire, you became just more fuel like so many others..

If you don't like what I have to say, feel free to plonk me.

Well as you know, I have had you plonked for months already pretty much
since you came here, but opened my filters last week to see how everyone
was gonna' act and I have had (and probably given) some pleasant
surprises. You have surprised me too, as although I don't feel you have
life experiences or point of view that would produce much of interest to
me, I never doubted you were an intelligent person and actually thought
you of all the folks here (involved in the flame fest) would pick up on
this "thing" a lot quicker than you have...

FYI, I don't respond to spoofers like Harry(r) if that's not obvious.

Yeah, well as long as he is being harry, and not trying to be Karen or
Harry Krause... I will let it ride for now...

I certainly disagree that I was anywhere near as prolific or
vociferous as others. Calling someone a moron is a bit different that
some of the more extreme terms I've seen used here. Certainly, I did
want to and still want to converse about boats.

Your plonking me or not is your concern not mine. My recollection is
that you were unwilling to listen to contrary points of view, it upset
you that I might have a different opinion and was willing to support
it forcefully.

And, then your next comment... "don't feel you have the life
experiences" .. well, many could say the same about your support of
the bickering and devisiveness of others of similar political views.

Forgive me, but I've been out of town until a couple of days ago, and
I didn't see, except second-hand, that there was a movement to clean
up the newsgroup. I'm happy to support that, certainly.

Your trip was most enjoyable.

Please don't change your current ID. It's lovely.

What's your problem? I mean besides the obvious ones...

[email protected]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:03:38 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:45:17 -0700, wrote:

That's disingenuous, and indirectly you can be. Surely you have
heard of Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919)?

The law is on your side here but the effect is the same.

Schenck was largely vacated by the decisions of the Burger court in
the late 60s and early 70s, principally by the decision that affirmed
the right to say "FU@K the draft", which gutted Schenck.
Maybe you can shout "fire" in a crowded theater now.

Perhaps you're thinking of Brandenburg v. Ohio?

It was in that time frame but Brandenburg was a KKK case, similar to
the Skokie case.
There were also several around war protests that would be more on
point with Schenck. (who was a draft protester during WWI)
If I get a minute I will look up the F the draft case.

In Brandenburg they held that hate speech in and of it self isn't a
threat, as I recall. It must entail some sort of call to action of
violence. I'd have to look it up.

[email protected]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:23:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:12:37 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:03:38 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:45:17 -0700, wrote:

That's disingenuous, and indirectly you can be. Surely you have
heard of Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919)?

The law is on your side here but the effect is the same.

Schenck was largely vacated by the decisions of the Burger court in
the late 60s and early 70s, principally by the decision that affirmed
the right to say "FU@K the draft", which gutted Schenck.
Maybe you can shout "fire" in a crowded theater now.

Perhaps you're thinking of Brandenburg v. Ohio?

It was in that time frame but Brandenburg was a KKK case, similar to
the Skokie case.
There were also several around war protests that would be more on
point with Schenck. (who was a draft protester during WWI)
If I get a minute I will look up the F the draft case.

In Brandenburg they held that hate speech in and of it self isn't a
threat, as I recall. It must entail some sort of call to action of
violence. I'd have to look it up.

Yes that is right, that is why I compared it to the Skokie decision.

The ones I am thinking of protected the right to protest the draft as
protected political speech, even if the protest was using obscene
language. There were several cases along these lines with minor legal
differences. It has been a while since I looked at this but they do
form a tree with each referencing the ones before it

I guess Skokie is in the win column for the hated ACLU. lol

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