George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

In all fairness....

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month
period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by
any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over
the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other
president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president
in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use
the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US
history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker
named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in
any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation
of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of
the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more
than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors
(during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of
Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then
lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a
year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated
US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for
government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of
our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no
leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented
any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of
the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other
president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades,
possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


--
Nom=de=Plume

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

how DARE you!!! he's RICH!! he's WHITE...he's a CHRISTIAN!!

he helped the rich get richer while ensuring the middle class stayed
in its place...

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wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into a
laissez-faire capitalism.

The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month
period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by
any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over
the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other
president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president
in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use
the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US
history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker
named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in
any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation
of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of
the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more
than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors
(during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of
Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then
lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a
year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated
US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for
government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of
our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no
leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented
any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of
the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other
president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades,
possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

On 10/7/10 1:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700,
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

Nothing was accomplished in Iraq, either, except to make it easier for
Iran to dominate that part of the world. As for the "rant" about Bush,
it is important to remember how badly he ****ed this country and the
rest of the world. His screw-ups brought us to where we are today.




--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 01:48:44 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century

so what?

and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

really? where are the taliban? they still rule kabul and have al qaida
training camps in afghanistan?

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:04:07 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

On 10/7/10 1:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700,
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

Nothing was accomplished in Iraq, either, except to make it easier for
Iran to dominate that part of the world. As for the "rant" about Bush,
it is important to remember how badly he ****ed this country and the
rest of the world. His screw-ups brought us to where we are today.

but bush is rich and white. he enriches the wealthy while wrecking
the middle class

and the right loves this.

it's the american dream

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

"Secular Humoresque" wrote in message ...
On 10/7/10 1:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700,
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

Nothing was accomplished in Iraq, either, except to make it easier for
Iran to dominate that part of the world. As for the "rant" about Bush,
it is important to remember how badly he ****ed this country and the
rest of the world. His screw-ups brought us to where we are today.




--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals


Short term memory is the first to go in Krause's terrible disease. Nothing outscores the ****ing we are taking short term at the hands of the democratic powers that be. I guess Krause will continue to rant on about GWB as this is all he has left of his memory. God speed and RIP Harry N Krause.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID
Boatless Harry

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

BTW, we are not in the business of deposing dictators and Bush is the one
that failed early and ugly in Afghanistan, Obama just doesn't have the balls
to turn it off.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into
a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.

Nope. The Jews didn't do it this time. It was the right-wing Christians.

Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

Nope. The Taliban supported and protected bin laden. There was and possibly
still is something to stablize.

The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

Repeating a rant does not make it any more true.
I am sure I can go to some GOP site and get a list that polished GWs
turd like the list you posted about Clinton but I bet history puts
them all in the same category.
They will be presidents with no nation changing accomplishments and
each have one interesting anecdote. Bush will be remembere\d for Bush
v Gore and Clinton will be remembered as being the second president to
be impeached, with the blow jobs being the snicker factor that makes
it memorable.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:04:07 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:

On 10/7/10 1:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700,
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

Nothing was accomplished in Iraq, either, except to make it easier for
Iran to dominate that part of the world. As for the "rant" about Bush,
it is important to remember how badly he ****ed this country and the
rest of the world. His screw-ups brought us to where we are today.

I agree we had no business being in Iraq but Clinton and Bush 1 were
there keeping the fire stoked. We should have come home in 1991.

Nope. They were containing Saddam. It worked.

This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.

Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have toward
Muslims.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:07:12 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:

How many days since "Mission Acomplished?"

http://bonstemps.com/Zombiebirdhouse...complished.jpg

That was another missed opportunity to get the **** out of there.

Olbermann is probably still keeping the exact count since that event
but we are over 19 years and on the 4th president since we should have
come home from Iraq. When we finally do the result will be the same.

The only time we had troops on the ground in Iraq was during Bush I, unless
you count Rumsfeld, et. al., giving him a gold phone. He was a threat to the
region and Bush I wisely stopped before he got to Baghdad. Bush II wasn't as
smart as his father, clearly.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:30:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 01:48:44 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century

so what?

and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

really? where are the taliban? they still rule kabul and have al qaida
training camps in afghanistan?

The Taliban still holds big areas in southern Afghanistan and they
will be back in Kabul the day we leave. Right now they are across the
road in Pakistan and our ability to do much there is really limited.
We are killing about 50 innocents per terrorist we kill and that is
worse that the ratio of Nazi reprisals in WWII. The rest of the world
is waking up to that reality. We also risk losing Pakistan.
If we destabilize a nuclear power we have really set world safety
back 40 years. It won't be a Soviet missile that blows up a US city,
it will be a leaked Pakistani warhead delivered in a Ryder truck or a
small boat.

Right, but they don't harbor bin laden and there are negotiations underway
to bring them into the political framework (basically we get out, they don't
harbor terrorists is the gist of it).

So, now with your false equivalency argument you're comparing the US to the
Nazis????

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message


This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.


You are the one forgetting the "facts."
Here's a fair rendering of Israel's influence on the Iraq war, written
before it started by former CIA policy analysts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

It will explain to you how the Jewish Zionists and the "end of days"
Christian Zionists came together happily in the Bush administration.
Might be too much for your attention span though.
BTW, Zionism is all about Israel.

You remind me of the lower to middle class Teabaggers who support
Republicans, manipulated into thinking that party has their interests
at heart.
All part of winger knee jerk psychology.


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward Muslims.


All part of Zionism of any stripe.
Maybe with the departure of Wall Street multi-millionaire Rahm Emanuel
(middle name Israel, former Israeli Defense Forces worker, son of an
Irgun terrorist, Israeli citizen, etc) from the Obama administration,
the Arabs will get a fair shake.
Uh-oh.
Looks like I'm an anti-Semite.
Funny. I see that Rick Sanchez got canned from CNN for saying his
Jewish bosses and Jon Stewart are hardly "oppressed minorities."
He only spoke the truth, and that got him fired.
Maybe he really got fired because he's an asshole who thinks because his
name is Sanchez he is automatically "oppressed," but who knows?

Jim - If ignorance works for you, go for it.

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wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:47:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was
started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east
into
a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.

Nope. The Jews didn't do it this time. It was the right-wing Christians.

Saddam never threatened the US and Iran is not threatening the US. You
do the math. Who are they threatening?

Our oil interests in the region. Do the math.

Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

Nope. The Taliban supported and protected bin laden. There was and
possibly
still is something to stablize.

All we have done is strengthen the Taliban. They are now the patriots
and we are the invader. It has come out that Bin Laden was only the
finance anyway. The real mastermind behind 9-11 was Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed and we have been torturing him in Gitmo for years.
The real deterrent to serious attacks these days is cutting off the
money, not chasing ghosts around the mountains of SE Afghanistan.
We have become very successful at that, using drug war tools.

Among some, I'm sure that's true. Most Afghanistan people just want to live
in peace and they don't particularly like the Taliban.

It's nice to know you have inside information about who is doing what to
whom wrt to terrorism. I'm sure the intelligence community would like to
hear from you!

Actually, we stopped torturing him during the Bush administration, and it
was over a couple of months, not years. So much for your facts.

And, how do you propose we "cut off the money"? We've not been successful
doing that using "drug war" tools. Actually, the Taliban were pretty good at
it.

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wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:49:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:04:07 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:


I agree we had no business being in Iraq but Clinton and Bush 1 were
there keeping the fire stoked. We should have come home in 1991.

Nope. They were containing Saddam. It worked.

What the hell does that mean? The sanctions were largely ineffective
and he was in the process of pushing us out anyway. Most of western
Europe had abandoned the effort. It was basically just Clinton and
Blair against the world.

They were working. They weren't perfect, but they were working, and he
wasn't a threat to the region.

This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.

OK let's just jump ahead 10 years and look at Iran. What is going to
happen there if we don't act?

I don't know. It's not clear that Israel can do much, but ultimately, we
don't need to attack Iran unless they do something truly aggressive.

Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward
Muslims.


You see the same thing in every war. You have to dehumanize the enemy.
That is the nature of war. It is the only way you can convince young
people to kill their fellow man and convince their parents to pay for
it..
In this case it is a double whammy since we are not paying for the
war. We are borrowing the money from the same generation we are making
die for the war.



Well, maybe we should stop hating Muslims. That would be a good start.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message


This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.


You are the one forgetting the "facts."
Here's a fair rendering of Israel's influence on the Iraq war, written
before it started by former CIA policy analysts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

It will explain to you how the Jewish Zionists and the "end of days"
Christian Zionists came together happily in the Bush administration.
Might be too much for your attention span though.
BTW, Zionism is all about Israel.

You remind me of the lower to middle class Teabaggers who support
Republicans, manipulated into thinking that party has their interests
at heart.
All part of winger knee jerk psychology.


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward Muslims.


All part of Zionism of any stripe.
Maybe with the departure of Wall Street multi-millionaire Rahm Emanuel
(middle name Israel, former Israeli Defense Forces worker, son of an
Irgun terrorist, Israeli citizen, etc) from the Obama administration,
the Arabs will get a fair shake.
Uh-oh.
Looks like I'm an anti-Semite.
Funny. I see that Rick Sanchez got canned from CNN for saying his
Jewish bosses and Jon Stewart are hardly "oppressed minorities."
He only spoke the truth, and that got him fired.
Maybe he really got fired because he's an asshole who thinks because his
name is Sanchez he is automatically "oppressed," but who knows?

Jim - If ignorance works for you, go for it.




Drop dead. You're a simpleton and yes, you're an anti-Semitic asshole.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:39:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:07:12 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:

How many days since "Mission Acomplished?"

http://bonstemps.com/Zombiebirdhouse...complished.jpg

That was another missed opportunity to get the **** out of there.

Olbermann is probably still keeping the exact count since that event
but we are over 19 years and on the 4th president since we should have
come home from Iraq. When we finally do the result will be the same.

The only time we had troops on the ground in Iraq was during Bush I,
unless
you count Rumsfeld, et. al., giving him a gold phone. He was a threat to
the
region and Bush I wisely stopped before he got to Baghdad. Bush II wasn't
as
smart as his father, clearly.


Using your logic, Germany was never at war with the UK. They never had
troops on the ground there either, they were just flying over and
bombing.

?? This is your logic not mine. You're trying to equate the US with Nazi
Germany. It doesn't hold.

George W. Bush's accomplishments
 

In article , says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message


This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.


You are the one forgetting the "facts."
Here's a fair rendering of Israel's influence on the Iraq war, written
before it started by former CIA policy analysts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

It will explain to you how the Jewish Zionists and the "end of days"
Christian Zionists came together happily in the Bush administration.
Might be too much for your attention span though.
BTW, Zionism is all about Israel.

You remind me of the lower to middle class Teabaggers who support
Republicans, manipulated into thinking that party has their interests
at heart.
All part of winger knee jerk psychology.


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward Muslims.


All part of Zionism of any stripe.
Maybe with the departure of Wall Street multi-millionaire Rahm Emanuel
(middle name Israel, former Israeli Defense Forces worker, son of an
Irgun terrorist, Israeli citizen, etc) from the Obama administration,
the Arabs will get a fair shake.
Uh-oh.
Looks like I'm an anti-Semite.
Funny. I see that Rick Sanchez got canned from CNN for saying his
Jewish bosses and Jon Stewart are hardly "oppressed minorities."
He only spoke the truth, and that got him fired.
Maybe he really got fired because he's an asshole who thinks because his
name is Sanchez he is automatically "oppressed," but who knows?

Jim - If ignorance works for you, go for it.

You seem to be going for the ignorance constantly. Anyone who would come
back here after what you did to John's wife is truly ignorant.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:41:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The Taliban still holds big areas in southern Afghanistan and they
will be back in Kabul the day we leave. Right now they are across the
road in Pakistan and our ability to do much there is really limited.
We are killing about 50 innocents per terrorist we kill and that is
worse that the ratio of Nazi reprisals in WWII. The rest of the world
is waking up to that reality. We also risk losing Pakistan.
If we destabilize a nuclear power we have really set world safety
back 40 years. It won't be a Soviet missile that blows up a US city,
it will be a leaked Pakistani warhead delivered in a Ryder truck or a
small boat.

Right, but they don't harbor bin laden and there are negotiations underway
to bring them into the political framework (basically we get out, they
don't
harbor terrorists is the gist of it).

What? Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for bout 9 years. Somebody there
is harboring him. Islamabad has about as much control in that area as
Kabul. You really need a GPS to tell the difference between Pakistan
and Afghanistan down there anyway.

And your point? We went in to get bin laden. We would have settled this
without a war if the Taliban had turned him over. They didn't.

Pakistan could deal with it if they really wanted to, but they have their
own political problems. And, as you said, we don't want to destabilize that
gov't any more than necessary.

So, now with your false equivalency argument you're comparing the US to
the
Nazis????


Only the tactic. If we think killing thousands of innocent people to
get a few hundred Taliban we are not much better than the Nazis.
The same people who question the ethics of Gitmo are willing to ignore
the legal concept that we would rather "let a guilty person go free
than convict (or kill without trial) an innocent one".

There's no comparison. Sorry.

Gitmo should be closed. The Republicans and their fear-based diatribes are
holding that up too.

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On 10/7/2010 3:47 PM, Secular Humoresque wrote:
In , says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

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This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.


You are the one forgetting the "facts."
Here's a fair rendering of Israel's influence on the Iraq war, written
before it started by former CIA policy analysts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

It will explain to you how the Jewish Zionists and the "end of days"
Christian Zionists came together happily in the Bush administration.
Might be too much for your attention span though.
BTW, Zionism is all about Israel.

You remind me of the lower to middle class Teabaggers who support
Republicans, manipulated into thinking that party has their interests
at heart.
All part of winger knee jerk psychology.


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward Muslims.


All part of Zionism of any stripe.
Maybe with the departure of Wall Street multi-millionaire Rahm Emanuel
(middle name Israel, former Israeli Defense Forces worker, son of an
Irgun terrorist, Israeli citizen, etc) from the Obama administration,
the Arabs will get a fair shake.
Uh-oh.
Looks like I'm an anti-Semite.
Funny. I see that Rick Sanchez got canned from CNN for saying his
Jewish bosses and Jon Stewart are hardly "oppressed minorities."
He only spoke the truth, and that got him fired.
Maybe he really got fired because he's an asshole who thinks because his
name is Sanchez he is automatically "oppressed," but who knows?

Jim - If ignorance works for you, go for it.

You seem to be going for the ignorance constantly. Anyone who would come
back here after what you did to John's wife is truly ignorant.


I never did anything to John's wife. Nor did I make the above-referenced
comment about Israel. I guess one of you assholes is ID copying me too.
That's all you kiddies seem capable of doing, copying the IDs of other
posters.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:30:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Saddam never threatened the US and Iran is not threatening the US. You
do the math. Who are they threatening?

Our oil interests in the region. Do the math.

"Oil" is a red herring for knee jerkers.
The oil companies would have been more than happy to business with
Saddam and he was a willing seller.
If we were not killing people in the middle east oil would be 30 bucks
a barrel.

But Saddam wasn't really a willing seller and he had a lot of baggage. The
great game is what was/is going on.

Actually, it's the instability that causes high prices... mostly. Complain
to OPEC for the rest. They can't seem to get it together very often.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:30:38 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

All we have done is strengthen the Taliban. They are now the patriots
and we are the invader. It has come out that Bin Laden was only the
finance anyway. The real mastermind behind 9-11 was Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed and we have been torturing him in Gitmo for years.
The real deterrent to serious attacks these days is cutting off the
money, not chasing ghosts around the mountains of SE Afghanistan.
We have become very successful at that, using drug war tools.

Among some, I'm sure that's true. Most Afghanistan people just want to
live
in peace and they don't particularly like the Taliban.

True but we are giving the Taliban the reason to make them believe we
are the bad guys.
Nothing tags you as a bad guy faster that blowing up a bunch of women
and children.

We don't do that regularly, and compared to what the Taliban did and does,
it's noise.

It's nice to know you have inside information about who is doing what to
whom wrt to terrorism. I'm sure the intelligence community would like to
hear from you!

This is on the f*cking Wiki 9-11 page, (KSM/9-11) it is not a secret.

Actually, we stopped torturing him during the Bush administration, and it
was over a couple of months, not years. So much for your facts.

OK we haven't tortured him lately. He is still locked up and we will
end up hanging him some day.

And, how do you propose we "cut off the money"? We've not been successful
doing that using "drug war" tools. Actually, the Taliban were pretty good
at
it.
We are using the same kind of tracking money transfers they used to
stop the Colombia/Caymans money laundering. Now the Taliban is left
with moving money the same way the Mexican drug cartels do, in cash.
That is not easy to do from Kandahar and we are monitoring all
communications in and out of the area. OBL may be there and he may
have some millions of dollars in a bank somewhere but he has no way to
access it and if he does try, we will take the money ... just like we
would if a drug dealer had it. I guarantee you, if you wire $1000 to
your kid somewhere, NSA will see that transaction and someone will
look you both over. Back in the olden days it would only be the DEA
and IRS looking.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:33:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:49:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:04:07 -0400, Secular Humoresque
wrote:


I agree we had no business being in Iraq but Clinton and Bush 1 were
there keeping the fire stoked. We should have come home in 1991.

Nope. They were containing Saddam. It worked.

What the hell does that mean? The sanctions were largely ineffective
and he was in the process of pushing us out anyway. Most of western
Europe had abandoned the effort. It was basically just Clinton and
Blair against the world.

They were working. They weren't perfect, but they were working, and he
wasn't a threat to the region.

How were they working? The sanctions were not working (similar to the
Iraq sanctions)

How many countries did he attack? Did he go after the Curds during the
sanctions and no-fly zone enforcement?

Was the plan to keep flying over them and bombing them for another 10
years? We were about to be kicked out and we would either leave
quietly or we would escalate the war. That idiot Bush decided to
escalate the war, using the same phony WMD argument Clinton used for 8
years.

Clinton didn't use a WMD argument to contain Saddam. He was preventing him
from attacking his neighbors. Eventually, he would have been overthrown, one
hopes anyway. In any case, it sure was cheaper than war.

The word "containment" did not get used until after the invasion.

Well, what was it called then?

This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.

OK let's just jump ahead 10 years and look at Iran. What is going to
happen there if we don't act?

I don't know. It's not clear that Israel can do much, but ultimately, we
don't need to attack Iran unless they do something truly aggressive.

What is the "over/under" on the date we attack Iran? I probably want
the under.

Attacking another country... launching missiles... who knows. Not sure what
you mean by you wanting under though.

Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward
Muslims.


You see the same thing in every war. You have to dehumanize the enemy.
That is the nature of war. It is the only way you can convince young
people to kill their fellow man and convince their parents to pay for
it..
In this case it is a double whammy since we are not paying for the
war. We are borrowing the money from the same generation we are making
die for the war.



Well, maybe we should stop hating Muslims. That would be a good start.


The best way to do that is to withdraw from the Crusades.

The best way to do that is to stand up to the extremists in this country...
like the fake mosque controversy.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:37:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The only time we had troops on the ground in Iraq was during Bush I,


Using your logic, Germany was never at war with the UK. They never had
troops on the ground there either, they were just flying over and
bombing.

?? This is your logic not mine. You're trying to equate the US with Nazi
Germany. It doesn't hold.


You are the one who defines "war" as "troops on the ground".
I am just trying to understand that.
We blockaded Iraq, denied them the use of the air space over their
country with deadly force and killed a lot of innocent civilians.
All of those things are acts of war.
You prefer the "death from the air" method of warfare. In 1940 they
called that "The Blitz"
You are only upset that we actually put some of our people at risk by
taking the next logical step.

Sorry, but you're way off base on this. It's not reasonable to equate the
two countries.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:13:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:41:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The Taliban still holds big areas in southern Afghanistan and they
will be back in Kabul the day we leave. Right now they are across the
road in Pakistan and our ability to do much there is really limited.
We are killing about 50 innocents per terrorist we kill and that is
worse that the ratio of Nazi reprisals in WWII. The rest of the world
is waking up to that reality. We also risk losing Pakistan.
If we destabilize a nuclear power we have really set world safety
back 40 years. It won't be a Soviet missile that blows up a US city,
it will be a leaked Pakistani warhead delivered in a Ryder truck or a
small boat.

Right, but they don't harbor bin laden and there are negotiations
underway
to bring them into the political framework (basically we get out, they
don't
harbor terrorists is the gist of it).

What? Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for bout 9 years. Somebody there
is harboring him. Islamabad has about as much control in that area as
Kabul. You really need a GPS to tell the difference between Pakistan
and Afghanistan down there anyway.

And your point? We went in to get bin laden. We would have settled this
without a war if the Taliban had turned him over. They didn't.

... so we are going to kill men, women and children until they do.

No wonder they hate us there.

We do it less and less. It's against policy and every incident is looked at.
See Petraeus.

Pakistan could deal with it if they really wanted to, but they have their
own political problems. And, as you said, we don't want to destabilize
that
gov't any more than necessary.

It is not clear Islamabad has any more influence in those mountains
than we do. They are shaky enough that they could lose that fight. If
they do, we all lose.




Gitmo should be closed. The Republicans and their fear-based diatribes are
holding that up too.


There are plenty of Democrats who feel the same way.
Nobody really has a better idea about what to do with the detainees.
Maybe they should load them all up on a surplus C5A and take them back
to Afghanistan. Then they could have a problem in the air, the plane
crashes and the crew were the only ones with parachutes. ;-)

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:13:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:41:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The Taliban still holds big areas in southern Afghanistan and they
will be back in Kabul the day we leave. Right now they are across the
road in Pakistan and our ability to do much there is really limited.
We are killing about 50 innocents per terrorist we kill and that is
worse that the ratio of Nazi reprisals in WWII. The rest of the world
is waking up to that reality. We also risk losing Pakistan.
If we destabilize a nuclear power we have really set world safety
back 40 years. It won't be a Soviet missile that blows up a US city,
it will be a leaked Pakistani warhead delivered in a Ryder truck or a
small boat.

Right, but they don't harbor bin laden and there are negotiations
underway
to bring them into the political framework (basically we get out, they
don't
harbor terrorists is the gist of it).

What? Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for bout 9 years. Somebody there
is harboring him. Islamabad has about as much control in that area as
Kabul. You really need a GPS to tell the difference between Pakistan
and Afghanistan down there anyway.

And your point? We went in to get bin laden. We would have settled this
without a war if the Taliban had turned him over. They didn't.

... so we are going to kill men, women and children until they do.

No wonder they hate us there.

Pakistan could deal with it if they really wanted to, but they have their
own political problems. And, as you said, we don't want to destabilize
that
gov't any more than necessary.

It is not clear Islamabad has any more influence in those mountains
than we do. They are shaky enough that they could lose that fight. If
they do, we all lose.




Gitmo should be closed. The Republicans and their fear-based diatribes are
holding that up too.


There are plenty of Democrats who feel the same way.
Nobody really has a better idea about what to do with the detainees.
Maybe they should load them all up on a surplus C5A and take them back
to Afghanistan. Then they could have a problem in the air, the plane
crashes and the crew were the only ones with parachutes. ;-)

Even the innocent ones? How do we know who's actually a terrorist?

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:33:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.
Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

except the death of al qaida's influence

but you hate the US so regret that


The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

Repeating a rant does not make it any more true.

read the TNR article on how bush let bin laden go

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:07:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:47:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Nope. The Jews didn't do it this time. It was the right-wing Christians.

Saddam never threatened the US and Iran is not threatening the US. You
do the math. Who are they threatening?

iran is killing US troops. is that enough for you? oh...


Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

Nope. The Taliban supported and protected bin laden. There was and possibly
still is something to stablize.

All we have done is strengthen the Taliban

really? they once ran a country. now they live in caves. is that
strength where you come from?

.. They are now the patriots
and we are the invader.

so they say. and no one cares

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:41:57 -0400, wrote:


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

only to the paranoid psychotic religion known as islam that considers
any living non muslim to be a threat

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:07:12 GMT, "A.Boater"
wrote:


On 7-Oct-2010, bpuharic wrote:

really? where are the taliban? they still rule kabul and have al qaida
training camps in afghanistan?

Where are the boyz in the Taliban? I'll tell you. They are in secret talks
with Hamid Karzai, aimed at forging an alliance between Mullah Omar and the
"Afgan Government".

because they dont rule afghanistan. thanks. i already knew that.

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:50:12 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:30:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

really? where are the taliban? they still rule kabul and have al qaida
training camps in afghanistan?

The Taliban still holds big areas in southern Afghanistan

actually they don't. according to tariq ali, they control about 1.5%
of the population.

thanks for playing

and they
will be back in Kabul the day we leave.

yep. they sure will unless we leave a residual force or convince them
it's in their best interests not to ally themselves with al qaida
again. then they can have their **** hole religion and go back to
cutting the noses off young girls

your kind of folks

Right now they are across the
road in Pakistan and our ability to do much there is really limited.

irrelevant.

We are killing about 50 innocents per terrorist we kill

and they are killing 500.

and that is
worse that the ratio of Nazi reprisals in WWII. The rest of the world
is waking up to that reality. We also risk losing Pakistan.

pakistan is muslim. islam is a psychotic religion. too bad you're
unaware of that fact

If we destabilize a nuclear power we have really set world safety
back 40 years.

it was destablized before we got there. too bad you dont know that

It won't be a Soviet missile that blows up a US city,
it will be a leaked Pakistani warhead delivered in a Ryder truck or a
small boat.

and how is today different than 9/10/01? how many terrorist attacks
on US soil since then?

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:27:32 -0400, wrote:



What? Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for bout 9 years. Somebody there
is harboring him. Islamabad has about as much control in that area as
Kabul. You really need a GPS to tell the difference between Pakistan
and Afghanistan down there anyway.

actually the ISI has quite a bit of control...they're bankrolling the
pakistani taliban.



So, now with your false equivalency argument you're comparing the US to the
Nazis????


Only the tactic. If we think killing thousands of innocent people

got any proof we're killing 'thousands'? and your friends, the
murderers in the taliban kill 10X as many as we do, according to the
UN

to
get a few hundred Taliban we are not much better than the Nazis.
The same people who question the ethics of Gitmo are willing to ignore
the legal concept that we would rather "let a guilty person go free
than convict (or kill without trial) an innocent one".

which has never been the case in war. i would rather kill 100 afghans
to get 1 taliban than let them attack the US again. when they realize
how futile their war is, they'll negotiate

just like they are doing now

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:05:38 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:13:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:41:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Right, but they don't harbor bin laden and there are negotiations underway
to bring them into the political framework (basically we get out, they
don't
harbor terrorists is the gist of it).

What? Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for bout 9 years. Somebody there
is harboring him. Islamabad has about as much control in that area as
Kabul. You really need a GPS to tell the difference between Pakistan
and Afghanistan down there anyway.

And your point? We went in to get bin laden. We would have settled this
without a war if the Taliban had turned him over. They didn't.

... so we are going to kill men, women and children until they do.

No wonder they hate us there.

who gives a **** if they hate us. if they leave us alone that's
enough.

Pakistan could deal with it if they really wanted to, but they have their
own political problems. And, as you said, we don't want to destabilize that
gov't any more than necessary.

It is not clear Islamabad has any more influence in those mountains
than we do. They are shaky enough that they could lose that fight. If
they do, we all lose

where do you think the pakistani taliban get their money and arms
from? the pakistan ISI.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:48:08 -0500, "MMC" wrote:



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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

BTW, we are not in the business of deposing dictators and Bush is the one
that failed early and ugly in Afghanistan, Obama just doesn't have the balls
to turn it off.


no, he has the good moral sense not to abandon a commitment we made.
you're confused

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 01:48:44 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

Gosh, it's a good thing Idi Amin didn't have oil under his country.

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:33:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:50:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:38:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

In all fairness....

Yeah right, a partisan rant is fair I guess.

BTW history may say the Iraq war deposed one of the worst dictators of
the 20th century and Afghanistan accomplished nothing ... at about the
same price.

The Iraq war was started not because of some ugly dictator. It was started
because of the neocon wetdream vision of transforming the middle east into a
laissez-faire capitalism.

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.
Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

The Afg. war WOULD have accomplished more than it has if Bush had actually
finished the job. He was the worst failure in US history.

Here. I posted it again for you.

Repeating a rant does not make it any more true.
I am sure I can go to some GOP site and get a list that polished GWs
turd like the list you posted about Clinton but I bet history puts
them all in the same category.
They will be presidents with no nation changing accomplishments and
each have one interesting anecdote. Bush will be remembere\d for Bush
v Gore and Clinton will be remembered as being the second president to
be impeached, with the blow jobs being the snicker factor that makes
it memorable.

Golly, I don't recall Clinton attempting to bankrupt the country apart
from his support of globalism.

He didn't obsessively pursue spending us into oblivion.

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:16:47 -0500, Jim wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

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This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.


You are the one forgetting the "facts."
Here's a fair rendering of Israel's influence on the Iraq war, written
before it started by former CIA policy analysts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

It will explain to you how the Jewish Zionists and the "end of days"
Christian Zionists came together happily in the Bush administration.
Might be too much for your attention span though.
BTW, Zionism is all about Israel.

You remind me of the lower to middle class Teabaggers who support
Republicans, manipulated into thinking that party has their interests
at heart.
All part of winger knee jerk psychology.


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward Muslims.


All part of Zionism of any stripe.
Maybe with the departure of Wall Street multi-millionaire Rahm Emanuel
(middle name Israel, former Israeli Defense Forces worker, son of an
Irgun terrorist, Israeli citizen, etc) from the Obama administration,
the Arabs will get a fair shake.
Uh-oh.
Looks like I'm an anti-Semite.
Funny. I see that Rick Sanchez got canned from CNN for saying his
Jewish bosses and Jon Stewart are hardly "oppressed minorities."
He only spoke the truth, and that got him fired.
Maybe he really got fired because he's an asshole who thinks because his
name is Sanchez he is automatically "oppressed," but who knows?

Jim - If ignorance works for you, go for it.

He got fired for spitting in his boss's face.

When was the last time you saw that happen and not have the spitting
fool idiot loose his job?

It was a short number of generations past when Jews were regularly set
apart by this very society, just like blacks, asians, etc. There's a
lot of people still alive who remember. And their children are still
alive who know what was done to their relatives during WWII.

A few have done well for themselves but guys like Sanchez are too
stupid to understand that they're the exception and not part of a
grand scheme of Jews taking over the world.

He played right into well-hewn stereotypes and ****ed into the wind.

It serves him right that he got **** in his face and lost his job. His
"apology" was pathetic and the only crew who'd likely hire him now is
the same group that'd love having Lou Dobbs.

Maybe he can join those idiots on the couch at Fox & Friends.

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:36:48 -0400, Jim wrote:

On 10/7/2010 3:47 PM, Secular Humoresque wrote:
In , says...

nom=de=plume wrote:

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This was still all about Israel. If we didn't take out Saddam, Israel
was going to try to and we would have been drawn is as Israel's ally
when the war escalated, a far worse position than just being the
cowboys with bad intel.

This has little to do with Israel, even though that's a convenient
forgetting of the facts.


You are the one forgetting the "facts."
Here's a fair rendering of Israel's influence on the Iraq war, written
before it started by former CIA policy analysts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

It will explain to you how the Jewish Zionists and the "end of days"
Christian Zionists came together happily in the Bush administration.
Might be too much for your attention span though.
BTW, Zionism is all about Israel.

You remind me of the lower to middle class Teabaggers who support
Republicans, manipulated into thinking that party has their interests
at heart.
All part of winger knee jerk psychology.


Unfortunately our Afghan war has still put is in the position of being
at war with Islam.

Only in the eyes of the radicals. Unfortunately, they're very good at
spreading that lie. Look at the hatred people in _this_ country have
toward Muslims.


All part of Zionism of any stripe.
Maybe with the departure of Wall Street multi-millionaire Rahm Emanuel
(middle name Israel, former Israeli Defense Forces worker, son of an
Irgun terrorist, Israeli citizen, etc) from the Obama administration,
the Arabs will get a fair shake.
Uh-oh.
Looks like I'm an anti-Semite.
Funny. I see that Rick Sanchez got canned from CNN for saying his
Jewish bosses and Jon Stewart are hardly "oppressed minorities."
He only spoke the truth, and that got him fired.
Maybe he really got fired because he's an asshole who thinks because his
name is Sanchez he is automatically "oppressed," but who knows?

Jim - If ignorance works for you, go for it.

You seem to be going for the ignorance constantly. Anyone who would come
back here after what you did to John's wife is truly ignorant.


I never did anything to John's wife. Nor did I make the above-referenced
comment about Israel. I guess one of you assholes is ID copying me too.
That's all you kiddies seem capable of doing, copying the IDs of other
posters.

A careful look at the headers supports your case. Different versions
of Thunderbird.

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:38:33 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:40:20 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Iraq all about Israel, as the upcoming Iran war will be.
Afg was and is a useless war. There is nothing to win there.

except the death of al qaida's influence

We are making them more powerful and Pakistan is about ready to kick
US out. They are refusing to let us use their roads now to supply our
troops.

then why are the taliban in negotiations, when our key demand is to
cut ties with AQ?

go ahead. find a resource saying AQ is more powerful today than it was
9 years ago.

i'll wait.

and you're an idiot if you think pakistan is going to kick us out and
lose the billions we bribe them with

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:41:03 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:00:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

No wonder they hate us there.

who gives a **** if they hate us. if they leave us alone that's
enough.

They are more likely to screw with us if we are screwing with them.

we arent screwing with them. afghanistan attacked us. that has some
consequences. just ask the japanese.