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Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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On 9/28/10 5:25 PM, John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? If you put lots of miles on the diesel engine you will save money in maintenance and longevity. The diesel will still be running long after you have gone to the fishing hole in the sky. -- Dr. Karen Grear Harry's Landlord |
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Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. You never know where GM is going to be when Obama is out of office in 2012. Who can predict if they can stand on their own feet. I'd go for Ford. But do you really need a beefy truck to pull the rig you have? -- Harry "The 'C' students run the world." |
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On Sep 28, 5:25*pm, John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Your " new " truck will have to be ...white, of course. It'll have your Radio, it'll have your Overdrive, and.... it'll have your " Easy Rider Rifle Racky " for not 1 but TWO of your favorite rifles. Just ask for it by license plate.... KKK U2 |
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On Sep 28, 6:05*pm, Secular Humourist wrote:
On 9/28/10 6:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done. What could be better than Herring stuck on the side of the road at night adjacent to a neighborhood full of those dark-skinned Americans he so fears and hates? Bring it on! -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals Please feel free to post THOSE pictures...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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"Secular Humourist" wrote in message ... On 9/28/10 6:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done. What could be better than Herring stuck on the side of the road at night adjacent to a neighborhood full of those dark-skinned Americans he so fears and hates? Someone of color who actually stops and helps him... Maybe he'll do a George Wallace. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John H
wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? I think it depends on how you are going to use it. If you keep your present camping trailer, you'd probably be happy with either a Tundra or a F150. I've had my extended cab Tundra for 9 years now and like it a lot. It's barely broken in at 90,000 miles. Buying new I'd get it with the larger engine and the full crew cab. On the other hand if you want a bigger/heavier trailer, and are going to continue doing long trips, diesel is the way to go. One of my neighbors has a F350 diesel dually and he claims to get 18 to 19 mpg on the interstates when he's not towing. |
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On Sep 28, 4:25*pm, John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. If you dont' need it then a diesel wouldn't be worth the extra, but If you'r planning on pulling your camper or boat A LOT! Then the fuel economy and power would be on you're side, John. |
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In article , says... "John H" wrote in message ... Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. You never know where GM is going to be when Obama is out of office in 2012. Who can predict if they can stand on their own feet. I'd go for Ford. But do you really need a beefy truck to pull the rig you have? He may have a few legs to crush. You can crush legs with a F150. Krause can tell you how to do it. -- Harry "The 'C' students run the world." |
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Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! |
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"LG" wrote in message ... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. |
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On Sep 29, 1:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"LG" wrote in message ... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups than gas. |
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says... On 9/28/10 6:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done. What could be better than Herring stuck on the side of the road at night adjacent to a neighborhood full of those dark-skinned Americans he so fears and hates? Bring it on! Spoofer alert! That reply was just as stupid as some of my little buddy Don's. |
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says... On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups than gas. The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are plenty on the used market now that they are out of work. The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank from which to pump fuel. Really? Is that the only reason, spoofer? |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:30:28 -0400, "Dr. Karen Grear, MD, PhD, STD"
wrote: On 9/28/10 5:25 PM, John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? If you put lots of miles on the diesel engine you will save money in maintenance and longevity. The diesel will still be running long after you have gone to the fishing hole in the sky. OK, I'll agree with that. But, I'd probably trade it before my 85th birthday anyway! Hell, I'm not buying the damn thing for my kids. Thanks for the advice though. For a woman, you're pretty truck knowledgeable. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:02:22 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done. I've heard of the urea system, although I know nothing about it. Two fellow campers have bought new rigs this past year. Both bought 2009 models just so they wouldn't have to contend with the urea system. Anyway, your response caused me to find out a little more about the urea system. For those totally ignorant, as I was, here is an intro site: http://tinyurl.com/cyk8ub Thanks for the response. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:40:16 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? I think it depends on how you are going to use it. If you keep your present camping trailer, you'd probably be happy with either a Tundra or a F150. I've had my extended cab Tundra for 9 years now and like it a lot. It's barely broken in at 90,000 miles. Buying new I'd get it with the larger engine and the full crew cab. On the other hand if you want a bigger/heavier trailer, and are going to continue doing long trips, diesel is the way to go. One of my neighbors has a F350 diesel dually and he claims to get 18 to 19 mpg on the interstates when he's not towing. You're right. I just looked up the towing capacities for a couple of the small gassers. They're right around 10K. Then I looked for small fifth wheel trailers. There aren't too many that are less than 10K, that's for sure. I may have to scratch Toyota off the list. Hell, the Tundra will tow only about 1500 lbs more than my 4Runner. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Sep 28, 4:25*pm, John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. If you dont' need it then a diesel wouldn't be worth the extra, but If you'r planning on pulling your camper or boat A LOT! Then the fuel economy and power would be on you're side, John. A trip to Alaska is in the works. Might have good need of all the power and capacity. Thanks. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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On 9/29/10 2:58 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 28, 4:25 pm, John wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. If you dont' need it then a diesel wouldn't be worth the extra, but If you'r planning on pulling your camper or boat A LOT! Then the fuel economy and power would be on you're side, John. A trip to Alaska is in the works. Might have good need of all the power and capacity. Thanks. No camper needed: http://www.salterylodge.com/ -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
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On Sep 28, 8:19*pm, LG wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Be a little careful about new diesels. The new ones have a urea system in them that could leave you stuck on the side of the road. At this point, the dealer is the only one that can refill the tank. It is supposed to last quite a while but when it is empty you are done. In my case, the emissions aren't as clean when it's empty but I can still drive it. Your " emissions " in this NG are quite noticeable. They reek of ****, and Panty Liners menstrual blood. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:54:18 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? $8,000 = 121 fill-ups for my gasser truck's 25 gallon tank at 22 gallons per fill-up. This all translates into about 54,000 miles of driving the truck. That sounds like a lot, but I've already got over 60K on my 4Runner. It's a 2008. And, we've only just begun this camping stuff! -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sep 29, 11:51*am, Secular Humourist wrote:
On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 29, 1:09 am, *wrote: *wrote in message news:avmdnUed1_nRGD_RnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews. com... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel *pickups than gas. The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are plenty on the used market now that they are out of work. The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank from which to pump fuel. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals BUT.... Farm Diesel is dyed. Up here, they DO check for that at the Weigh Scales. If caught in the family truck, she's a stiff fine. It may also cause you to loose your Farm Tax Exemption. |
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On Sep 28, 5:35*pm, Harry® wrote:
"John H" wrote in messagenews:a4n4a61c48cvmud5rjhis4l0r77e8k7me8@4ax .com... Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. You never know where GM is going to be when Obama is out of office in 2012. Who can predict if they can stand on their own feet. I'd go for Ford. But do you really need a beefy truck to pull the rig you have? -- Harry "The 'C' students run the world." No, not for the current rig, but a somewhat bigger rig may be in the future. Not huge, but a little bigger. Even the small fifth wheel rigs come in close to 10K lbs. |
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On Sep 29, 2:57*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:40:16 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:25:09 -0400, John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? I think it depends on how you are going to use it. * If you keep your present camping trailer, you'd probably be happy with either a Tundra or a F150. * I've had my extended cab Tundra for 9 years now and like it a lot. *It's barely broken in at 90,000 miles. Buying new I'd get it with the larger engine and the full crew cab. On the other hand if you want a bigger/heavier trailer, and are going to continue doing long trips, diesel is the way to go. * One of my neighbors has a F350 diesel dually and he claims to get 18 to 19 mpg on the interstates when he's not towing. You're right. I just looked up the towing capacities for a couple of the small gassers. They're right around 10K. Then I looked for small fifth wheel trailers. There aren't too many that are less than 10K, that's for sure. I may have to scratch Toyota off the list. Hell, the Tundra will tow only about 1500 lbs more than my 4Runner. -- John H All decisions are the result of binary thinking. I see Herring drives a " Ladies Truck ".... Everyone of the Dope Army scraping at Don for driving a Rav 4, and all the time Herring driving a 4 Runner. What a bunch of hypocrites. Whats your theme song " Gypsys, Tramps, and Thieves " ? |
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On 9/29/10 3:13 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:54:18 -0400, wrote: In , says... Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? $8,000 = 121 fill-ups for my gasser truck's 25 gallon tank at 22 gallons per fill-up. This all translates into about 54,000 miles of driving the truck. That sounds like a lot, but I've already got over 60K on my 4Runner. It's a 2008. And, we've only just begun this camping stuff! We're thinking of taking a diesel-towed camper for our next trip to Florida. AMTRAK will be doing the driving. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals |
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On Sep 29, 2:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"LG" wrote in message ... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. Lots of good info there. Thanks. The latest 'Diesel Power' magazine ran a test of the three USA diesels. You're right about the fuel usage. They were all in the 13-14 mpg range. TRUCK: MILEAGE (EMPTY): MILEAGE (WITH 10,000-POUND TRAILER): Ford F-250 17.61 mpg 13.25 mpg Chevy 2500 20.14 mpg 13.53 mpg Ram 2500 17.49 mpg 12.58 mpg TRUCK: MILEAGE (EMPTY): MILEAGE (WITH 12,000-POUND TRAILER): Ford F-350 17.04 mpg 12.45 mpg GMC 3500 17.83 mpg 11.02 mpg From: http://www.dieselpowermag.com/featur...uck/index.html |
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On 9/29/10 3:13 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:54:18 -0400, wrote: In , says... Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? $8,000 = 121 fill-ups for my gasser truck's 25 gallon tank at 22 gallons per fill-up. This all translates into about 54,000 miles of driving the truck. That sounds like a lot, but I've already got over 60K on my 4Runner. It's a 2008. And, we've only just begun this camping stuff! We're thinking of taking a diesel-towed camper for our next trip to Florida. AMTRAK will be doing the driving. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals Sure you are. -- Harry "The 'C' students run the world." |
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Tim wrote:
On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups than gas. They probably store diesel in a tank for their equipment. Off-road diesel has lower taxes and is much cheaper to buy. |
Thinking of new pickup.
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On Sep 29, 11:51 am, Secular wrote: On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about 13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow. Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing. Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups than gas. The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are plenty on the used market now that they are out of work. The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank from which to pump fuel. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals BUT.... Farm Diesel is dyed. Up here, they DO check for that at the Weigh Scales. If caught in the family truck, she's a stiff fine. It may also cause you to loose your Farm Tax Exemption. "loose"? Don, where were you for this one? |
Thinking of new pickup.
"Secular Humourist" wrote in message m... On 9/29/10 8:00 AM, BAR wrote: In articleavmdnUed1_nRGD_RnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews. com, says... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. My mechanic told that you really need to fill up with the 93 octane gas to overcome all of the crap they put into fuel these days to make it more fuel friendly. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Toyota sells diesel-powered pickup trucks in Europe. There have been rumors that it would also sell them in the USA. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals Every manufacturer sells diesel powered cars and trucks outside the USA. Including the Ford focus. 60-80 mpg. But the EPA says they are too dirty to sell here. How much difference is the pollution per mile? Can not be much different when you are getting 2-3x the milage. |
Thinking of new pickup.
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says... "Secular Humourist" wrote in message m... On 9/29/10 8:00 AM, BAR wrote: In articleavmdnUed1_nRGD_RnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews. com, says... John H wrote: Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about $8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel also costs more. Any ideas out there? Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the end you just fill up more often. My mechanic told that you really need to fill up with the 93 octane gas to overcome all of the crap they put into fuel these days to make it more fuel friendly. Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future! Toyota sells diesel-powered pickup trucks in Europe. There have been rumors that it would also sell them in the USA. -- Republicans are the Party of No: No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals Every manufacturer sells diesel powered cars and trucks outside the USA. Including the Ford focus. 60-80 mpg. But the EPA says they are too dirty to sell here. How much difference is the pollution per mile? Can not be much different when you are getting 2-3x the milage. This has been my issue with the oxygenated gasoline we have to by in the DC area every October 15 to March 15. You get 15 to 20 percent less mileage. What is the point. You still have to burn the same amount of gasoline to go the same distance. And, the law was requiring MTBE as the oxygenator in gas until they found out it was bad. Way to go government make us pay more for fuel and destroy the environment by force of law. |
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