John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In
the end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

"LG" wrote in message
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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

On Sep 29, 1:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"LG" wrote in message

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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also
like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

Tim wrote:
On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote:

wrote in message

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John H wrote:

Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.


Any ideas out there?


Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.


Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

They probably store diesel in a tank for their equipment. Off-road
diesel has lower taxes and is much cheaper to buy.

On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote:
wrote in message

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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.


The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered
equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank
from which to pump fuel.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

In article ,
says...

On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 29, 1:09 am, wrote:
wrote in message

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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. Love the power. Also
like the mileage. The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.


The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered
equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank
from which to pump fuel.

Really? Is that the only reason, spoofer?

On Sep 29, 11:51*am, Secular Humourist wrote:
On 9/29/10 11:47 AM, wrote:



On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 29, 1:09 am, *wrote:
*wrote in message

news:avmdnUed1_nRGD_RnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews. com...

John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also
like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel *pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.

The farmers buy diesel trucks because they have other diesel-powered
equipment on their property and many have a large capacity diesel tank
from which to pump fuel.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

BUT.... Farm Diesel is dyed. Up here, they DO check for that at the
Weigh Scales. If caught in the family truck, she's a stiff fine. It
may also cause you to loose your Farm Tax Exemption.

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says...

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 29, 1:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"LG" wrote in message

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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also
like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Around my area, there's probably more farmer owned diesel pickups
than gas.

The construction guys like the diesel pickups too. I imagine there are
plenty on the used market now that they are out of work.

Easier to fill up with the off-road diesel fuel.

On Sep 29, 2:09*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"LG" wrote in message

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John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't
make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is
about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but
diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. *The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. *In the
end you just fill up more often.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. *You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!

Depends where you tow, and what you tow. *I drive a crewcab 2004 Chevy
diesel. *I tow a 4400# boat over 9-10,000' passes. *Love the power. *Also
like the mileage. * The newer trucks get a little more mileage as they have
an extra gear in the tranny. *Towing the boat at 65 and with the popup slide
in camper, which adds 1500# to the truck and 8" to the height I get about
13-14.5 mpg. * Driving to Los Angeles and the truck without camper gets
about 19 mpg at 80 mph. *Maintenance is about 2x for oil changes. *The new
Tundra's are nice, and have a 10,000# tow rating, but the mileage sucks when
towing, and about average for any of the trucks when not towing. *My son in
laws older Tundra is still running good at 150k. *But he also does not tow.
Towing and not needing mountain climbing power, I would get a gas rig, as
the difference buys a lot of gas. *The difference is less than $8k as the
extra money normally includes a lot of nice options. *Which ever vehicle you
buy, get the power extension mirrors if towing.

Lots of good info there. Thanks. The latest 'Diesel Power' magazine
ran a test of the three USA diesels. You're right about the fuel
usage. They were all in the 13-14 mpg range.

TRUCK: MILEAGE (EMPTY): MILEAGE (WITH 10,000-POUND TRAILER):
Ford F-250 17.61 mpg 13.25 mpg
Chevy 2500 20.14 mpg 13.53 mpg
Ram 2500 17.49 mpg 12.58 mpg
TRUCK: MILEAGE (EMPTY): MILEAGE (WITH 12,000-POUND TRAILER):
Ford F-350 17.04 mpg 12.45 mpg
GMC 3500 17.83 mpg 11.02 mpg

From: http://www.dieselpowermag.com/featur...uck/index.html

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says...

John H wrote:
Trying to decide which to get - between Toyota, Ford, GMC. Toyota doesn't make a
diesel, but the question becomes, 'Why diesel'? The price of the truck is about
$8K more than the gasser. The diesels get better mileage, supposedly, but diesel
also costs more.

Any ideas out there?

Don't buy into that E85 Flex fuel bull**** from Dodge and GMC. The fuel
economy drops at roughly the same percentage as the fuel savings. In
the end you just fill up more often.

My mechanic told that you really need to fill up with the 93 octane gas
to overcome all of the crap they put into fuel these days to make it
more fuel friendly.

Diesels last a long, long time and have a ton of torque. You don't need
the torque unless a 30 footer is in your future!