Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On 9/19/10 1:37 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Harry ?" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:07:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Knives are designed to kill. Swords are designed to kill. Arrows are
designed to kill. It is not the object it is the intent of the user of
the object. The object just makes it easier and faster for the user to
implement his intent.



No they aren't. They're designed to cut. Some swords are ceremonial.
Arrows?
Like this: --- Seems harmless enough.


There are ceremonial guns too, what's your point?
A sword is just a weapon for killing people, good for nothing else.
You can't even say people hunt with swords.


Seems like you are beginning to catch on to her MO.

Seems like you've just about reached the apex of your brilliant
observations. You should probably stop digging now.


He's an ID spoofer...there's nothing of consequence between his ears.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On 9/19/10 1:59 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:03:52 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

On 9/19/10 11:36 AM, wrote:


I still have about a half gallon and that is a lifetime supply. I did
shoot some under the slab on my addition.
The right mix would have been more like a couple tablespoons in a
gallon of water but read the label. It came in several concentrations
but that was overkill for bees.

We don't use any pesticides, and certainly don't want anything around
that would kill bees. The bees are having a tough enough time. We do put
up traps for the damned Japanese beetles, though...and they only attract
the beetles.

I humored him about "ground bees". They were probably hornets. (yellow
jackets). They are still beneficial on some way but they are not the
endangered honey bees we are in trouble over.

I am pretty much a live and let live guy but if there was a nest of
yellow jackets in my yard that were a danger to my grandkids, they
would have to go.

Exactly... They had attacked me and my dog so I wiped them out, no
remorse.


So brave...

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:21:42 -0400, "Aggravated"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:43:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:26:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

I could make the same argument for all but commercial boats and at
least half of the cars people own. Some real oil company haters would
say most cars people own.

UK eliminated the few guns they let people have and their murder rate
went up.

yeah. from 100 killed/year to 105. big deal.

we have 11,000 killed each year by gunfire. but, many of them are
black. and, given your view of obama, we know what your view of blacks
is


By the same token, given your view of GWB we know what you view of whites
is.

i'm white.


How about bigot?

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:46:15 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:




"Aggravated," by the way, is just another sock puppet of one of the
rightie regulars here.

he does seem to be less intelligent than even the regular rush
channelers. not too much hope for their crowd...

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:32:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:03:52 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

On 9/19/10 11:36 AM, wrote:


I still have about a half gallon and that is a lifetime supply. I did
shoot some under the slab on my addition.
The right mix would have been more like a couple tablespoons in a
gallon of water but read the label. It came in several concentrations
but that was overkill for bees.

We don't use any pesticides, and certainly don't want anything around
that would kill bees. The bees are having a tough enough time. We do put
up traps for the damned Japanese beetles, though...and they only attract
the beetles.

I humored him about "ground bees". They were probably hornets. (yellow
jackets). They are still beneficial on some way but they are not the
endangered honey bees we are in trouble over.

I am pretty much a live and let live guy but if there was a nest of
yellow jackets in my yard that were a danger to my grandkids, they
would have to go.

You don't need poison to do this. You should clean out your yard of food
they like to eat and use traps to catch the queen. You can even use boric
acid.

It is pretty hard to eliminate food for a yellow jacket. They eat
bugs.
Boric acid is poison but I agree it is safer than most. Usually you
use it in baits. That is certainly the best way to control ants.



You can eliminate the obvious food that sits out, such as dog food. They
don't just eat insects. Traps are your friend.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:03:52 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

On 9/19/10 11:36 AM, wrote:


I still have about a half gallon and that is a lifetime supply. I did
shoot some under the slab on my addition.
The right mix would have been more like a couple tablespoons in a
gallon of water but read the label. It came in several concentrations
but that was overkill for bees.

We don't use any pesticides, and certainly don't want anything around
that would kill bees. The bees are having a tough enough time. We do put
up traps for the damned Japanese beetles, though...and they only attract
the beetles.

I humored him about "ground bees". They were probably hornets. (yellow
jackets). They are still beneficial on some way but they are not the
endangered honey bees we are in trouble over.

I am pretty much a live and let live guy but if there was a nest of
yellow jackets in my yard that were a danger to my grandkids, they
would have to go.

Exactly... They had attacked me and my dog so I wiped them out, no
remorse.

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

They must have had the interest of the nation in mind.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:32:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:03:52 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

On 9/19/10 11:36 AM, wrote:


I still have about a half gallon and that is a lifetime supply. I did
shoot some under the slab on my addition.
The right mix would have been more like a couple tablespoons in a
gallon of water but read the label. It came in several concentrations
but that was overkill for bees.

We don't use any pesticides, and certainly don't want anything around
that would kill bees. The bees are having a tough enough time. We do put
up traps for the damned Japanese beetles, though...and they only attract
the beetles.

I humored him about "ground bees". They were probably hornets. (yellow
jackets). They are still beneficial on some way but they are not the
endangered honey bees we are in trouble over.

I am pretty much a live and let live guy but if there was a nest of
yellow jackets in my yard that were a danger to my grandkids, they
would have to go.

You don't need poison to do this. You should clean out your yard of food
they like to eat and use traps to catch the queen. You can even use boric
acid.

It is pretty hard to eliminate food for a yellow jacket. They eat
bugs.
Boric acid is poison but I agree it is safer than most. Usually you
use it in baits. That is certainly the best way to control ants.

What do you do about termites food source. Your house is built from
termite food. A little bit of Chlordane around the foundation will save
the homeowners a tremendous amount of money in the future.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:32:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:03:52 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

On 9/19/10 11:36 AM, wrote:


I still have about a half gallon and that is a lifetime supply. I did
shoot some under the slab on my addition.
The right mix would have been more like a couple tablespoons in a
gallon of water but read the label. It came in several concentrations
but that was overkill for bees.

We don't use any pesticides, and certainly don't want anything around
that would kill bees. The bees are having a tough enough time. We do put
up traps for the damned Japanese beetles, though...and they only attract
the beetles.

I humored him about "ground bees". They were probably hornets. (yellow
jackets). They are still beneficial on some way but they are not the
endangered honey bees we are in trouble over.

I am pretty much a live and let live guy but if there was a nest of
yellow jackets in my yard that were a danger to my grandkids, they
would have to go.

You don't need poison to do this. You should clean out your yard of food
they like to eat and use traps to catch the queen. You can even use boric
acid.

It is pretty hard to eliminate food for a yellow jacket. They eat
bugs.
Boric acid is poison but I agree it is safer than most. Usually you
use it in baits. That is certainly the best way to control ants.

Boraxo or whatever that old soap is called works well along the sills of
the house too...

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:32:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:03:52 -0400, Secular Humorist
wrote:

On 9/19/10 11:36 AM, wrote:


I still have about a half gallon and that is a lifetime supply. I
did
shoot some under the slab on my addition.
The right mix would have been more like a couple tablespoons in a
gallon of water but read the label. It came in several
concentrations
but that was overkill for bees.

We don't use any pesticides, and certainly don't want anything around
that would kill bees. The bees are having a tough enough time. We do
put
up traps for the damned Japanese beetles, though...and they only
attract
the beetles.

I humored him about "ground bees". They were probably hornets. (yellow
jackets). They are still beneficial on some way but they are not the
endangered honey bees we are in trouble over.

I am pretty much a live and let live guy but if there was a nest of
yellow jackets in my yard that were a danger to my grandkids, they
would have to go.

You don't need poison to do this. You should clean out your yard of food
they like to eat and use traps to catch the queen. You can even use
boric
acid.

It is pretty hard to eliminate food for a yellow jacket. They eat
bugs.
Boric acid is poison but I agree it is safer than most. Usually you
use it in baits. That is certainly the best way to control ants.

What do you do about termites food source. Your house is built from
termite food. A little bit of Chlordane around the foundation will save
the homeowners a tremendous amount of money in the future.



Termites don't come from around the foundation. They are blind and tunnel
around. When they hit food (wood), they keep eating. What you need to do is
bait traps (wood) around the house. You also need to inspect under the house
on a regular basis and possibly bait traps under there as well.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:33:40 -0500, Jim wrote:

BAR wrote:
In article , says...
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:33:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...
You're going to use darwin to explain the death of a 3 year old?

Should the parents of a 3 year old who is not in a car seat be thrown in
jail if the child is killed in an accident?

Again, just like the gun, they would charge the parent in Florida for
a child not in a car seat. I suppose that is OK too.
In the infamous "moral equivalency" business, what is the difference?

We have decided there are no accidents, only criminal offenses, if a
kid is killed.
I suppose you know, the National Electrical Code now requires all
receptacles are child proof (shuttered).
What a load of BS.
You're qualifying as a gun-nut real fast.
You and the others talking about rocks, knives and cars are just full of
****. Probably just don't like jps.
Got nothing to do "moral equivalency."
Got nothing to do with rocks, cars, knives or electricity.
They ain't designed to kill.
Guns are designed to kill.
The purpose of a gun is to kill.
And for daddy, it worked as designed on his 3 year-old.
There was no ****ing "accident."
The gun worked perfectly and did its job.

Daddy did no different than if he ushered a lion or grizzly bear into
his 3 year-old's bedroom and shut the door.
I don't care one way or another about guns.
Outlaw them or make everybody carry. Probably won't make difference.
But it really takes a gun nut to defend this prick daddy.
I don't say throw him in jail, because he killed his own blood.
If it was neighbors kid he should get 20 years in the clink.
But he should never be allowed to possess a firearm again.
You're either for "personal responsibility" or you ain't.

Jim - Lame arguments are still better than name-calling I say.

Knives are designed to kill. Swords are designed to kill. Arrows are
designed to kill. It is not the object it is the intent of the user of
the object. The object just makes it easier and faster for the user to
implement his intent.

Stone-age thoughts from a stone-age mind.
Bring that **** to a gun fight. Don't forget your sling and javelin.
If you don't know the difference between leaving that stone-age crap
or a loaded firearm where your 3 year-old kid can get to it, you'll
never understand the concept of personal responsibility.
Probably don't even know a 3 year-old kid can't blow his brains clear
out with a finger squeeze on that stone-age crap either.
Others here were talking about the 3 year-old grabbing the car keys and
taking a spin.
Then they start talking about rocks and baby seats and the ****ing
National Electric Code.
Now here you are saying a 3 year-old will blow his brains out with an
arrow or hari-kari his brains out with a sword anyway.
So hell, a loaded gun is no worse. It's all the same.

Jim - Figured I'd hear this kind of nonsense. It's rec.boats.

Oh man, that's priceless. Bertie, oh Bertie, where are you Bertie???

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing gun
problem we have in this country.


The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing
gun
problem we have in this country.


The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...


That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People should be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ...

wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing
gun
problem we have in this country.


The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...


That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People should be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...t-any-caliber/

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On 9/20/10 8:16 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:38:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd be
curious to know.

There are dozens of designs but they all culminate in a solenoid that
allows the sear to move. Once you take the gun apart it is trivial to
figure out which way you need to make that go and just wedge it that
way. (super glue, remove and replace with a paper clip, whatever)
These things are really designed for cops who are worried about losing
their gun in a fight and being shot by it right then, not for someone
who has the time to take the gun apart and defeat it.
The problem is most cops I know value reliability far beyond the
chance they might drop their gun and they want it as simple as they
can get it. They do not want to trust their life on a complicated
electronic circuit and a more complicated action. That is why most
cops like the Glock double action trigger design with NO safety. My
Ruger KP90 is the same way, no safety. (The P in KP is for Police).
You carry the gun, hammer down on a live cylinder and the first round
is fired "double action".


Last time I read up on Glocks, the factory was installing the typical
semi-auto mechanical safety on request on firearms to be issued to some
domestic and overseas police departments. The one thing I did not like
about my Glock 34 was the lack of a mechanical safety.

My CZ SP-01 Shadow Custom has ambi safeties and is single acton, with a
straight trigger with a 2.5 pound pull. It's significantly more accurate
for me than my old Glock 34, seems to fire faster, and is safer in my
carry holster. It's also steel, so there's even less muzzle flip.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"Harry ?" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing
gun
problem we have in this country.


The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...


That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...t-any-caliber/




That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions in
the works, and I don't have the details.

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On Sep 20, 10:03*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harry * ?" wrote in ...



"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harry ?" wrote in
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:41:02 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harry ?" wrote in
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

This is just Plume changing the subject again. The open question was
how she would reduce the number of guns and she took off on a
biometric trigger lock that doesn't even exist yet. Do you think
anyone would actually buy that gun? They do make some that respond to
an RFID tag in a ring or watch but they didn't sell either.

Which I responded to. No subject was changed. Sounds like you don't believe
there are technical as well as societal solutions to our problems. That
doesn't leave you much except maybe God?

I believe the founder of IBM had somewhat similar words about computers.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:03:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

That would be a bad assumption. Every criminal on the street may not
know how to take a gun apart and fix it but it really only takes a few
to turn useless "locked" guns into an unlocked ones and sell it. These
are the same ones who know how to unlock cell phones, make credit card
skimmers and build a very good silencer from a half dozen .5l water
bottles or a piece of PVC pipe and a hand full of milk bottle caps.

The biggest problem with engineers is they assume the person defeating
their next big thing will have to work as hard and defeat it the same
way they built it. They get embarrassed when a very simple trick gets
around a very complicated device.
Just think about that high tech bicycle lock that you could open with
the barrel of a BIC pen. Most locks can be picked with a paper clip
and something to put tension on the lock (Ball point pen ?) Kids
learn how to do this in elementary or middle school these days. I
didn't learn until my sophomore year of high school. ;-)

You just pretty much confirmed it that it is a valid assumption. You're
claiming equivalency of high tech kids unlocking phones to criminals
disabling trigger locks?? Talk about false equivalency. Also, unlocking a
phone isn't a criminal act typically.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing
gun
problem we have in this country.


The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...


That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...t-any-caliber/




That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions in
the works, and I don't have the details.

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.



So then why did you make this statement?
And I quote Miss DeLaPlume "A biometrics trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd be curious to know."

Well, my dear, you can find out once the in the works invention becomes a reality.

Are you a compulsive liar?

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever growing
gun
problem we have in this country.


The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...


That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...t-any-caliber/




That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions in
the works, and I don't have the details.

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.



So then why did you make this statement?
And I quote Miss DeLaPlume "A biometrics trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how. I'd be curious to know."

Well, my dear, you can find out once the in the works invention becomes a reality.

Are you a compulsive liar?

If she answers, it will be a no, but of course.... snerk. You should
know by now it is a constant tactic here to just make it up as they go
along, and change the subject (faking no comprehension of the questions)
to deflect to the next talking point.. Remember, all they are trying to
do is say it over and over again till it becomes fact in the eyes of the
dishonest and oblivious...

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.



That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:03:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

That would be a bad assumption. Every criminal on the street may not
know how to take a gun apart and fix it but it really only takes a few
to turn useless "locked" guns into an unlocked ones and sell it. These
are the same ones who know how to unlock cell phones, make credit card
skimmers and build a very good silencer from a half dozen .5l water
bottles or a piece of PVC pipe and a hand full of milk bottle caps.

The biggest problem with engineers is they assume the person defeating
their next big thing will have to work as hard and defeat it the same
way they built it. They get embarrassed when a very simple trick gets
around a very complicated device.
Just think about that high tech bicycle lock that you could open with
the barrel of a BIC pen. Most locks can be picked with a paper clip
and something to put tension on the lock (Ball point pen ?) Kids
learn how to do this in elementary or middle school these days. I
didn't learn until my sophomore year of high school. ;-)

You just pretty much confirmed it that it is a valid assumption. You're
claiming equivalency of high tech kids unlocking phones to criminals
disabling trigger locks?? Talk about false equivalency. Also, unlocking a
phone isn't a criminal act typically.



I wonder about that.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ...

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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.



That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.



That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Quit chewing on someone else's bait. :-)

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On Sep 21, 10:59*am, "Harry ?" wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in l-september.org...





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"nom=de=plume" wrote in ...

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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks..
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also *compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Quit chewing on someone else's bait. :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK dad...

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On 9/21/10 10:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Sep 21, 10:59 am, "Harry wrote:
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wrote in ...

wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, wrote:
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wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Quit chewing on someone else's bait. :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK dad...


I wonder...when Palin's next daughter gets pregnant, will sarah invite
the young man to move into her daughter's bedroom, as she did with
Sprocket or whatever her name is?

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"Secular Humorist" wrote in message ...
On 9/21/10 10:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Quit chewing on someone else's bait. :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK dad...


I wonder...when Palin's next daughter gets pregnant, will sarah invite
the young man to move into her daughter's bedroom, as she did with
Sprocket or whatever her name is?


You gotta get over this fixation you have with Palin. She wouldn't give you the time of day, if she knew you existed.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On Sep 21, 11:12*am, "Harry ?" wrote:
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Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also *compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Quit chewing on someone else's bait. :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK dad...

I wonder...when Palin's next daughter gets pregnant, will sarah invite
the young man to move into her daughter's bedroom, as she did with
Sprocket or whatever her name is?

You gotta get over this fixation you have with Palin. She wouldn't give you the time of day, if she knew you existed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's his fixation with little kids having sex that would bother me if
I were more local...

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.

That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few weeks?

Saw a clip of it this morning on the news. She really does suck at
dancing, the dude that got stuck with her must be ****ed;) And in my
opinion, her legs ain't that great either..

--
OH, I could do the 105 footer, but I would hate to waste the last few
seconds of my life with my eyes closed, screaming like a little
girl...;)

Quit chewing on someone else's bait. :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK dad...

I wonder...when Palin's next daughter gets pregnant, will sarah invite
the young man to move into her daughter's bedroom, as she did with
Sprocket or whatever her name is?

You gotta get over this fixation you have with Palin. She wouldn't give you the time of day, if she knew you existed.- Hide quoted text -

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It's his fixation with little kids having sex that would bother me if
I were more local...


I'm not the one spending the weekends in a tent with an underaged
daughter, doing who knows what...you are.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:39:01 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

This is just Plume changing the subject again. The open question was
how she would reduce the number of guns and she took off on a
biometric trigger lock that doesn't even exist yet. Do you think
anyone would actually buy that gun? They do make some that respond to
an RFID tag in a ring or watch but they didn't sell either.

Which I responded to. No subject was changed. Sounds like you don't
believe
there are technical as well as societal solutions to our problems.

You just avoided the question
How does making new guns with this miracle technology reduce the
number of existing guns? It really would only make the existing ones
more valuable much like the price of "pre-ban" semi-autos shot up when
Clinton passed the AWB. It wasn't rational but any time you say
something will not be made anymore, people snap them up.

I did not. If a gun can't be stolen and used illegally very easily gun
violence would go down.

Yes, you're right! Existing guns would not be affected and they would!!
become more valuable. If regs were in place that make it more difficult to
purchase used guns, then that too would limit their use for criminals and
would increase the likelihood they are properly protected.

Clinton? Are you talking about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...Protection_Act

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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harry ?" wrote in
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you
are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a...

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.



Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them.
Sorry,
but I don't dance to your tune.



That makes you clueless, doesn't it.
Speaking of dancing. Did you catch Palin's daughter on Dancing with The
Stars last night? Doesn't she have great legs? Too bad she can't dance
well. Do you think she has enough fan base to keep her around for a few
weeks?

Actually, it makes you and your bunk buddy fools.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:37:45 -0400, "Harry ?"
wrote:

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:03:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof, it's
also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright enough to
do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

That would be a bad assumption. Every criminal on the street may not
know how to take a gun apart and fix it but it really only takes a few
to turn useless "locked" guns into an unlocked ones and sell it. These
are the same ones who know how to unlock cell phones, make credit card
skimmers and build a very good silencer from a half dozen .5l water
bottles or a piece of PVC pipe and a hand full of milk bottle caps.

The biggest problem with engineers is they assume the person defeating
their next big thing will have to work as hard and defeat it the same
way they built it. They get embarrassed when a very simple trick gets
around a very complicated device.
Just think about that high tech bicycle lock that you could open with
the barrel of a BIC pen. Most locks can be picked with a paper clip
and something to put tension on the lock (Ball point pen ?) Kids
learn how to do this in elementary or middle school these days. I
didn't learn until my sophomore year of high school. ;-)

You just pretty much confirmed it that it is a valid assumption. You're
claiming equivalency of high tech kids unlocking phones to criminals
disabling trigger locks?? Talk about false equivalency. Also, unlocking
a
phone isn't a criminal act typically.



I wonder about that.

I wondered too. It is certainly a breach of contract and I would not
bet some places have made it illegal, just like hacking a cable or
satellite box is illegal. The point was, underestimating the
intelligence of criminals bites us in the ass every time we do it and
usually the actual hack is so simple it makes us wonder why we trusted
the technology in the first place. Once someone figures it out, it
shows up on you tube within an hour.
There is a link for the "5 minute $5 shotgun" on the home repair NG as
we speak. It is crude but it goes bang every time.

If it is, I'd be pretty surprised. Lots and lots of people jailbreak their
iPhones. I know someone who did, didn't like the result and unbroke it.

Yeah, criminals are so smart. Incredibly, a lot end up in jail. Brilliant
lot.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

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"Secular Humorist" wrote in message
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On 9/21/10 12:27 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:37:45 -0400, "Harry ?"
wrote:

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:03:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

While it's probably true that no trigger lock is 100% foolproof,
it's also
true that most criminals who want to use a gun aren't bright
enough to do
the disassembly, etc., to get it to work.

That would be a bad assumption. Every criminal on the street may not
know how to take a gun apart and fix it but it really only takes a
few
to turn useless "locked" guns into an unlocked ones and sell it.
These
are the same ones who know how to unlock cell phones, make credit
card
skimmers and build a very good silencer from a half dozen .5l water
bottles or a piece of PVC pipe and a hand full of milk bottle caps.

The biggest problem with engineers is they assume the person
defeating
their next big thing will have to work as hard and defeat it the same
way they built it. They get embarrassed when a very simple trick gets
around a very complicated device.
Just think about that high tech bicycle lock that you could open with
the barrel of a BIC pen. Most locks can be picked with a paper clip
and something to put tension on the lock (Ball point pen ?) Kids
learn how to do this in elementary or middle school these days. I
didn't learn until my sophomore year of high school. ;-)

You just pretty much confirmed it that it is a valid assumption.
You're
claiming equivalency of high tech kids unlocking phones to criminals
disabling trigger locks?? Talk about false equivalency. Also,
unlocking a
phone isn't a criminal act typically.



I wonder about that.

I wondered too. It is certainly a breach of contract and I would not
bet some places have made it illegal, just like hacking a cable or
satellite box is illegal. The point was, underestimating the
intelligence of criminals bites us in the ass every time we do it and
usually the actual hack is so simple it makes us wonder why we trusted
the technology in the first place. Once someone figures it out, it
shows up on you tube within an hour.
There is a link for the "5 minute $5 shotgun" on the home repair NG as
we speak. It is crude but it goes bang every time.

If it is, I'd be pretty surprised. Lots and lots of people jailbreak
their iPhones. I know someone who did, didn't like the result and
unbroke it.

Yeah, criminals are so smart. Incredibly, a lot end up in jail.
Brilliant lot.




Jailbreaking or rooting a phone is not the same as setting up a phone to
operate over another carrier's signals outside of a contract. The latter
is at the minimum a breach of contract. The former may only just brick
your phone. I've resisted rooting my smart phone. I just don't see any
reason to do it.

There are no legal penalties that I know of for jailbreaking a phone or
using it with a different carrier. People do the latter all the time when
traveling overseas for example... not quite the same thing, but close.



I'm not familiar with thievery of cell phone equipment and services.

What does Jailbreaking, rooting, and bricking mean?

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"Harry ?" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
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DeLaPlume was asked:
Are you a compulsive liar?




Are you a moron? But I digress... I can certainly find a prototype, but
I'm
only assuming that's what you were trying to ask, since your question
isn't
actually in English.


My English is good enough to be understood by most people. It seems like
your reading comprehension is the problem.

No doubt, but I doubt you'd pass very many English equivalency tests with
that "sentence."



Speaking of tests, when are you retaking the bar exam?

A better question would be when are you taking the bar exam in a different
state..

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ...

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
DeLaPlume was asked:
Are you a compulsive liar?




Are you a moron? But I digress... I can certainly find a prototype, but
I'm
only assuming that's what you were trying to ask, since your question
isn't
actually in English.


My English is good enough to be understood by most people. It seems like
your reading comprehension is the problem.

No doubt, but I doubt you'd pass very many English equivalency tests with
that "sentence."



Speaking of tests, when are you retaking the bar exam?

A better question would be when are you taking the bar exam in a different
state..



Why?

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:22 -0400, "Harry ?"
wrote:

I'm not familiar with thievery of cell phone equipment and services.

What does Jailbreaking, rooting, and bricking mean?

I am not sure about all of the new phone contracts but there are some
companies that give you a free phone that is locked to their service
if you sign up for a long term contract.
People unlock them and go to another, cheaper service, leaving the
original contractor holding the bag for that phone he expected to
amortize over several years.
Now that money is harder to borrow, these plans may be more
restrictive because this is basically a loan but they used to be real
easy to qualify for.. They loan you the money to buy the phone and you
pay them back a few bucks a month in your phone bill. The locked phone
is the collateral, theoretically useless if you breach the contract.
Of course if they are lost or stolen, unlocking them makes them a
phone again, for drug dealers or anyone else who wants a throwaway
phone.
Back in the analog days, the trick was just cloning the ESN so you
could use a phone on someone elses dime. That got a lot harder to do
on a digital phone but I bet someone has figured it out. I lost
interest when my Moto bag phones stopped working (two with one ESN).

Which has nothing to do with the legality of doing this to a phone... seems
like you've changed the subject.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:27:02 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Yeah, criminals are so smart. Incredibly, a lot end up in jail. Brilliant
lot.
There are plenty of very smart people in jail. Don't confuse laziness,
greed and lack of morals with intelligence.
Look at Charley Rangel

Intelligence and smartness are not necessarily the same thing.

Throw his ass in jail!!!
 

On Sep 21, 12:37*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message

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On Sep 20, 10:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harry * ?" wrote in
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:04:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:41:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Reducing the number of guns is one way to try and fix the ever
growing
gun
problem we have in this country.

The real question is how you would actually do that.

Education, regulation, biometric trigger locks...

That wouldn't reduce the number of guns and trigger locks are a
stupid
idea. It doesn't keep the gun from being stolen. a thief can defeat
it
easily and it only gives a kid a puzzle.
Education is probably the best solution.
That used to be what the NRA did. I was an instructor for a while
myself, before it all became a "them vs us" thing.

A biometric trigger lock is not easy to defeat. Please tell us how.
I'd
be
curious to know.

Education and regulation would reduce the number of guns. People
should
be
required to take a class before purchasing a gun. Regulations should
be
enforced and expanded to improve gun quality/safety, and special
permits
should be required for certain types of weapons (some are already).

Can you share some information on these biometrics trigger locks.
I found something on fingerprint gun safes but that's not what you are
talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/t...ks-unsafe-at-a....

That's correct. That's not what I'm talking about. There are inventions
in
the works, and I don't have the details.

Yes, D'Plume. There are always inventions in the works that you arn't
privy of, however your statement at face value appears that you don't
have much of a clue about anything, which is also *compatible with
your nature.

I said I didn't have the details, not that I wasn't "privy" to them. Sorry,
but I don'tdanceto your tune.

But... you just did!