"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 26-Sep-2010, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Harry=AE?= wrote:

I'm certain that 1) you didn't produce anything of value in the US at
any

point, and you certainly don't do it now.

Are you still trying to find your penis?



Gotta save that one for the list.

It's really useful in the 7th grade.

Wow... replying to useless spoofer/liar. I guess that's about your speed.

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Don't turn on the television on Saturday until 3:00 PM. Better yet,
throw
it out the window if you still have one.

i spend the weekends at the shore and don't watch TV

you, OTOH, need to shut off your radio and quit listening to rush.
your brain is leaking out through your nose

Correction - something is leaking out his nose, but I doubt it's his
brain,
since he doesn't have one.

Why do you listen to political shills on the radio? Too much time on the
unemployment line?

Why do you care so much about America if you have no vested interest in this
great country? You just want to bring us down. Your real name should be
Colonel Taliban.

On 9/26/10 6:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
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On 26-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

NO complaints - keep waddling off in your Honda to haul home my
products
-
business hasn't been better (except in the former U.S.)

You've been complaining since you started posting... USA bad, bad.
Whatever.

Don't drive a Honda. You don't have any "products" - you just sit in
front

your computer whining and complaining.

I don't drive a Honda, they are rare where I live and manufacture. In
most
cases, an overpriced junk car from Japan or Korea is unnecessary. Same as
in your country in 3 years.

You're a whiner, complainer, and apparently a liar. You're certainly
anti-American. You're a loser who probably can't return even if you
wanted to. Fine with me. Stay out.




There's about as much chance of Kurtz being a captain of industry as
there is of me spending a weekend in a motel with Penelope Cruz and
Salma Hayek.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:50:10 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be
4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.



oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago. And that production cost is only 20% of the sales price. So
20% less production cost, with 40% higher taxes, means the pot sells for
about the same it did 10 years ago. Make it in China and the production
cost is cut 80%, Presidents previous to your hated Bush gave "Most favored
nation" status to China, and they get to ship here without any penalty.
They cut the sales price 10% and you can not sell your American made pot.
You want fairness, make the same rules for them as do for us. You want to
make cars in China or Japan or South Korea, their laws require you partner
with a Chinese company. Tell Toyota, et. al. which company you want to
partner with. We got 3 to choose from right now. Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid. Those Chinese Engineers that you
say do not exist are doing a better job for less money, on an H-1 visa.
China has lots of engineers in China. Lots are graduates of top American
universities. Tell the Legislative bodies that the budget has to be
balanced, and you only get paid with money left over from a balanced budget.
Not borrowing $0.46 of every $1.00 the government is spending federally.
Same goes for states.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:55:03 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

close to large markets
cheap labor force non unionized that lionizes the right wing
lots of religious fanatics willing to work for nothing

couldn't think of any...didn't think you would. Funny tongue-in-cheek
attempts, though

most of this was tongue in cheek

but, go ahead, find me a chinese stanford university, OK?

40 of the top 50 universities in the world are in teh US.

Absolutely correct! Probably 45 of 50. Has been for a hundred years.
Then,
most technically educated foreign nationals go back to where the output
is,
and some find positions in the diminishing U.S. Fewer "Americans" are
qualified, and find better use of their time playing with cell phones and
watching Dancing for Dollars.

correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html
An article on the engineer gap.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:55:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:





It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

is this blowing the top of your right wing head off?

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:59:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:55:03 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


correct. most americans are conservative so glorify the rich, just
like you do


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1220/p01s01-ussc.html
An article on the engineer gap.


or lack of a gap.

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.

I don't understand, the scum you elect tell you it's good for you, totally
disregarding the fact that cost is unrelated to price.




oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no
unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

Why should you (or anyone else) get a raise? Ever heard of earning a raise?
What have you done to improve your capabilities?


not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

Go spend a night in downtown Frankfurt, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, see the
homes and amenities, the hotel you can occupy for $200 a night. (US$, as
they are worthless). In the U.S. of 25 years ago it would be considered
government housing.

But it's better there, right?

Speaking of U.S. dollars, Philippine Banks almost never accept U.S. currency
exchange any more. To get Php you need to use an ATM or find a high rate
dollar exchange booth at "the market." That's impressive.

On 26-Sep-2010, "Califbill" wrote:

If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost
anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

Intelligent input! I'm impressed! One minor point needs to be made.


It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago. And that production cost is only 20% of the sales price.

So 20% less production cost, with 40% higher taxes, means the pot sells
for
about the same it did 10 years ago.

"americans" believe that cost affects price; it does not. Buying red
Chinese junk or Asian autos does not make the price lower, it merely helps
to increase or yield a margin for the nasty corporations. Cost is 100%
unrelated to price, always, there are no exceptions.

Make it in China and the production
cost is cut 80%, Presidents previous to your hated Bush gave "Most favored

nation" status to China, and they get to ship here without any penalty.

Correct - more so, nearly every foreign company assembling products (Toyota,
Haier, STIHL, etc.) are foreign trade zones, eliminating all encumbrances to
imported materials and components, yet "Americans" think their Asian auto is
"made" in the U.S.


They cut the sales price 10% and you can not sell your American made pot.
You want fairness, make the same rules for them as do for us. You want to

make cars in China or Japan or South Korea, their laws require you partner

with a Chinese company. Tell Toyota, et. al. which company you want to
partner with. We got 3 to choose from right now. Change the laws to
match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being

paid less every year as you are stupid. Those Chinese Engineers that you
say do not exist are doing a better job for less money, on an H-1 visa.
China has lots of engineers in China. Lots are graduates of top American
universities. Tell the Legislative bodies that the budget has to be
balanced, and you only get paid with money left over from a balanced
budget.
Not borrowing $0.46 of every $1.00 the government is spending federally.
Same goes for states.

The politicians tell the ignorant masses anything to get a vote - for 30
years foreign companies can ship to the U.S. but, in order of prohibition,
Japan, Korea and China tell their MARKETPLACE, THE U.S., to f**k off.

Ignorance is not bliss.

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than
10
years ago.

you're right. the actual figure is 28%. american productivity has
increased 28% between 1997 and 2007.

Productivity does not mean more output per manhour, it means more output
with LESS manpower - automation, imported cheaper materials and robotics
accellerate productivity. Output of labor has declined due to automation,
but the yield is of higher quality.

Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are
being
paid less every year as you are stupid.

really? got proof? because i'm middle class. and the middle class
hasnt had a pay raise in 40 years. the wealthy had a 500% pay
increase

So do something useful to become "wealthy", whatever that is.



no other country saw such a disparity. how do you explain that? right
now your argument is taht the middle class is lazy, shiftless and
doesnt even deserve to be paid

why do the germans, french, etc., not have this problem even though we
work more hours than they do?

They are nationalistic; "Americans" buy "all Asian, all the time..." then
bitch about the nondescript economy.

It's laughable, and, indicates Darwin was correct.


is this blowing the top of your right wing head off?