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Should I Upgrade or Update My Engine?
I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't
afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? |
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Should I Upgrade or Update My Engine?
"Chris Reese" wrote in message
... I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? If I were in your situation I would stick with what you have. 21 mph is not bad for that combo. Save the $1000 for something you need. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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*e#c wrote:
On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... That's pretty good. How many packs of smokes do you have on board with those losers? If you cut your hair you could lose another 5# and go even faster. |
Should I Upgrade or Update My Engine?
YukonBound wrote:
"Chris Reese" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 9:35 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article d125d70f-9df7-4af3-bb1d-a21e097e39d3 @f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, says... I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? What kind of shape is the hull in, is it soaked? If so, nothing will move it... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! The boat doesn't get in water in it. I can pull the boat out of the water and it don't drip that much water. I recommend you tow the boat to a commercial or highway scale. Weigh your whole rig, and then unhook the trailer and just weight the tow vehicle. Subtract the truck's weight and that will give you the rig weight (boat, motor & trailer). Next try to figure out the outboard and trailer weights to subtract from the rig total. Finally you have an approximate boat weight. Compare this to the official dry posted weight of your model boat. You might be surprised. My 19' sailboat was just over 500 lbs more than the manufacturer stated in the original owners manual. Your kid was stashing his weed in the keel, remember? |
Should I Upgrade or Update My Engine?
I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it
so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. |
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On Aug 27, 8:51*pm, Larry wrote:
*e#c wrote: On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris *wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... That's pretty good. *How many packs of smokes do you have on board with those losers? *If you cut your hair you could lose another 5# and go even faster. You have no idea what I look like lately...liar ! At least I have a boat.... you have.....zip....for brains as well. |
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On Aug 27, 8:52*pm, Larry wrote:
YukonBound wrote: "Chris Reese" wrote in message .... On Aug 27, 9:35 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article d125d70f-9df7-4af3-bb1d-a21e097e39d3 @f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, says... I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? What kind of shape is the hull in, is it soaked? If so, nothing will move it... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! The boat doesn't get in water in it. *I can pull the boat out of the water and it don't drip that much water. I recommend you tow the boat to a commercial or highway scale. Weigh your whole rig, and then unhook the trailer and just weight the tow vehicle. Subtract the truck's weight and that will give you the rig weight (boat, motor & trailer). Next try to figure out the outboard and trailer weights to subtract from the rig total. Finally you have an approximate boat weight. Compare this to the official dry posted weight of your model boat. You might be surprised. My 19' sailboat was just over 500 lbs more than the manufacturer stated in the original owners manual. Your kid was stashing his weed in the keel, remember? * Folks: This is the best Loser, Liar Larry can come up with. His grade 8 education wont afford anything more. * |
Should I Upgrade or Update My Engine?
On Aug 27, 10:11*pm, I am Tosk
wrote: In article ebb8b8ad-adad-4863-bce2-82ef77533479 @e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. *I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. *It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. *I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. Well, like we said, it's hard to tell. Either way, I can't see a rebuild making an engine twice as powerful which seems about what you need so I would still invest in the larger powerplant instead of hoping the rebuild of the engine (slightly bigger than half the rated hp) will solve the problem... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! * This coming from a man who claims to know things about 2 stroke, Motocross Bike engines, and has been pushed down stairwells by the local Cops.* He is short, uneducated, jobless, lives off his Wifes back, and also lives his life off of his Daughters back while camping in small tents with underaged girls. |
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On Aug 28, 12:35*am, "*e#c" wrote:
On Aug 27, 10:11*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article ebb8b8ad-adad-4863-bce2-82ef77533479 @e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. *I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. *It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. *I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. Well, like we said, it's hard to tell. Either way, I can't see a rebuild making an engine twice as powerful which seems about what you need so I would still invest in the larger powerplant instead of hoping the rebuild of the engine (slightly bigger than half the rated hp) will solve the problem... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! * This coming from a man who claims to know things about 2 stroke, Motocross Bike engines, and has been pushed down stairwells by the local Cops.* He is short, uneducated, jobless, lives off his Wifes back, and also lives his life off of his Daughters back while camping in small tents with underaged girls.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do I live off my dog's back too, how about the cats. Oh wait, yesterday it was my dad's fortune snerk. ??? Are you still unemployed and crying on facebook because they don't give unemployment to those who have been fired?? Huh, yellowteeth? |
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On Aug 28, 1:08*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote: On Aug 28, 12:35*am, "*e#c" wrote: On Aug 27, 10:11*pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article ebb8b8ad-adad-4863-bce2-82ef77533479 @e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. *I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. *It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. *I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. Well, like we said, it's hard to tell. Either way, I can't see a rebuild making an engine twice as powerful which seems about what you need so I would still invest in the larger powerplant instead of hoping the rebuild of the engine (slightly bigger than half the rated hp) will solve the problem... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! * This coming from a man who claims to know things about 2 stroke, Motocross Bike engines, and has been pushed down stairwells by the local Cops.* He is short, uneducated, jobless, lives off his Wifes back, and also lives his life off of his Daughters back while camping in small tents with underaged girls.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do I live off my dog's back too, how about the cats. Oh wait, yesterday it was my dad's fortune snerk. ??? Are you still unemployed and crying on facebook because they don't give unemployment to those who have been fired?? Huh, yellowteeth? No, you "mount " your Dogs back, FAGGOT. Are you still unemployed and crying on facebook because they don't give unemployment to those who have been fired?? Thats never happened, but nice try...... Besides, you're the one who " cried " about being jobless, getting pushed down stairs by the Cops ( your Cousin...LMAO )..and boasted about camping in a small tent with your Daughter...... Shall I go on? Does Terry watch? Do you fondle the horses...I bet you do. At least I still have a FB account...you dont....because you're a COWARD FAGGOT COCKSUCKER. |
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"*e#c" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris Reese wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... Is that the "tub" with the lovely Home Depot wood lettering.......real classy. |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message
... On Aug 28, 12:35 am, "*e#c" wrote: On Aug 27, 10:11 pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article ebb8b8ad-adad-4863-bce2-82ef77533479 @e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. Well, like we said, it's hard to tell. Either way, I can't see a rebuild making an engine twice as powerful which seems about what you need so I would still invest in the larger powerplant instead of hoping the rebuild of the engine (slightly bigger than half the rated hp) will solve the problem... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! * This coming from a man who claims to know things about 2 stroke, Motocross Bike engines, and has been pushed down stairwells by the local Cops.* He is short, uneducated, jobless, lives off his Wifes back, and also lives his life off of his Daughters back while camping in small tents with underaged girls.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do I live off my dog's back too, how about the cats. Oh wait, yesterday it was my dad's fortune snerk. ??? Are you still unemployed and crying on facebook because they don't give unemployment to those who have been fired?? Huh, yellowteeth? I heard he made a video on unemployment.I sure would like to view it. |
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*e#c wrote:
On Aug 27, 8:51 pm, wrote: *e#c wrote: On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... That's pretty good. How many packs of smokes do you have on board with those losers? If you cut your hair you could lose another 5# and go even faster. You have no idea what I look like lately...liar ! At least I have a boat.... you have.....zip....for brains as well. I do have a boat, yellow teeth, one of seven in my life. It was built in this decade so it's not some relic from Craigslist. As for you, I've seen enough so no current photos are necessary. |
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On Aug 27, 9:50*pm, Chris Reese wrote:
I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. *I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. *It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. *I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. That really does not tell you if it has water logged floatation foam or not. 1972 is old enough that it may not even have foam. Can you access all the spaces between the deck and hull? If so you can look for foam. If it does have foam then in 40 years it has absorbed some water. No matter how you use and store the boat. Simply being around water is all that is needed. Weighing the boat is really the only way to tell how much. The only way to do that is to weight your entire rig and the leave the boat in the water while weighing it again. A boat that old is practically worthless, sorry nothing personal, so you probably should just make sure the engine is running well and it has the right prop. For not a whole lot of money you could get a larger, newer boat and engine built in the 90's. Imho it would not be a good idea to spend that kind of money on a 40 year old boat. |
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On Aug 29, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 05:37:56 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc wrote: On Aug 27, 9:50*pm, Chris Reese wrote: I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. *I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. *It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. *I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. That really does not tell you if it has water logged floatation foam or not. *1972 is old enough that it may not even have foam. *Can you access all the spaces between the deck and hull? *If so you can look for foam. *If it does have foam then in 40 years it has absorbed some water. *No matter how you use and store the boat. *Simply being around water is all that is needed. *Weighing the boat is really the only way to tell how much. *The only way to do that is to weight your entire rig and the leave the boat in the water while weighing it again. A boat that old is practically worthless, sorry nothing personal, so you probably should just make sure the engine is running well and it has the right prop. *For not a whole lot of money you could get a larger, newer boat and engine built in the 90's. *Imho it would not be a good idea to spend that kind of money on a 40 year old boat. How it sits in the water is a good indication of the weight, hence the water logging problem, A lot of old boats didn't have foam anyway. There are lots of reasons why old motors don't perform like new ones, not the least of which is the lie they painted on the cover. They used to use "bench HP" now they are rated at the prop. That can easily make a 30% difference in actual power. I agree I would not spend a lot of money on an old boat but if he is OK with it, why not put in a few bucks to squeeze some extra life out of it if money is tight.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What could he do beyond making sure it was running right and had the correct prop? |
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On Aug 28, 9:58*pm, Larry wrote:
*e#c wrote: On Aug 27, 8:51 pm, *wrote: *e#c wrote: On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris * *wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... That's pretty good. *How many packs of smokes do you have on board with those losers? *If you cut your hair you could lose another 5# and go even faster. You have no idea what I look like lately...liar ! At least I have a boat.... you have.....zip....for brains as well. I do have a boat, yellow teeth, one of seven in my life. *It was built in this decade so it's not some relic from Craigslist. *As for you, I've seen enough so no current photos are necessary. Suuuuure you do. Liar. |
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On Aug 28, 4:15*am, "Aggravated" wrote:
"*e#c" wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris Reese wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... Is that the "tub" with the lovely Home Depot wood lettering.......real classy. I think it looks cool. I dont give one **** WHAT you think....hahahahahahaha I can imagine the name of your Boat...." Feminine Spray " |
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On Aug 28, 8:39*am, "Harry ?" wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message ... On Aug 28, 12:35 am, "*e#c" wrote: On Aug 27, 10:11 pm, I am Tosk wrote: In article ebb8b8ad-adad-4863-bce2-82ef77533479 @e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... I keep the boat on a trailer with the plug pulled out & cover over it so I don't think it has soaked up a lot of water. I can tell just by moving the boat around in the water that is isn't a light boat but actually heavier then it looks. It only sits about 6inches in the water so it's not like it sits deep & has a lot of drag. I have heard that the chrysler outboards were heavier & not as powerful as other motors around at that time. Well, like we said, it's hard to tell. Either way, I can't see a rebuild making an engine twice as powerful which seems about what you need so I would still invest in the larger powerplant instead of hoping the rebuild of the engine (slightly bigger than half the rated hp) will solve the problem... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! * This coming from a man who claims to know things about 2 stroke, Motocross Bike engines, and has been pushed down stairwells by the local Cops.* He is short, uneducated, jobless, lives off his Wifes back, and also lives his life off of his Daughters back while camping in small tents with underaged girls.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do I live off my dog's back too, how about the cats. Oh wait, yesterday it was my dad's fortune snerk. ??? Are you still unemployed and crying on facebook because they don't give unemployment to those who have been fired?? Huh, yellowteeth? I heard he made a video on unemployment.I sure would like to view it. Yes, I did. The video in question were my ideas of how to better run the system, not have it open for a "slush-fund " for the Govt. to use at will. It had nothing to do with the lies Snotty Inger**** suggested. He was reaching....being so short. Too bad you never will see it. Its only available for Humans to view...not sub-species douchebags, like you, spoofer. Later, cumbucket. |
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On 8/29/10 7:04 PM, *e#c wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:15 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Aug 27, 10:30 am, Chris wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Geese...my 155 HP Buick will push my old #2750 pound tub to 40 MPH....with 6 or 7 people in it. The hull must be waterlogged, or there's something wrong with that motor, or prop, or, or, or...... Is that the "tub" with the lovely Home Depot wood lettering.......real classy. I think it looks cool. I dont give one **** WHAT you think....hahahahahahaha I can imagine the name of your Boat...." Feminine Spray " "Aggravated"'s boat has the same name as Spud's boat: MR. SMEGMA |
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Chris Reese wrote:
I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. What's the sense of a different motor pushing a waterlogged boat? They used open cell foam in those old boats. This says your boat should weigh 835 lbs. http://www.iboats.com/Terry__Pro_Bas...bp/61b125380r1 Empty the boat before weighing, then subtract the published motor weight. If you don't know of a local scale, try looking here. http://www.catscale.com It doesn't matter if the boat was garaged. When water goes in that foam it don't come out. Sounds like you should just sell that boat and get one that will go as fast as you want to go. If you got $500 for it, you could save just $800 and see if this guy would take $1300. http://charlotte.craigslist.org/boa/1872342108.html Save some more for this. http://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/1924917798.html 45mph! Be careful you don't hit a stump. If your boat is waterlogged you just don't want be throwing any money at it. Boats are too cheap now to be doing that. If the boat isn't hundreds of pounds overweight, and is otherwise sound, then your re-power idea has merit. Jim - Sometimes you need to look real hard at your plans. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Chris Reese wrote: I am going to try and save up about $1000, I'm not loaded so I can't afford to much, but I have a old 1972 16ft Terry Bass. I like the layout, but the engine isn't enough. It starts whenever I need it to but it can only push the boat about 21mph (by myself) and 11mph (with 1 or more people). I think it has the original engine which is a 55HP Chrysler engine. I mapped my usage and get about 1 mpg, so it sucks the gas without the power. Should I take the boat in and have someone work on the engine to get more power, maybe it's not working at all power, and stay with the dependable engine. Or should I use the $1000 and try to go for a 85HP or so maybe 80's used motor? Boat rated for 85 max. The newer engine should have more power (just even if I compared 55 from old to new), better gas mileage, but I run the risk of it not being as dependable? What's your thoughts, should I upgrade to a new more horsepower engine or update mine (which isn't a 100% sure if you can get any more speed or gas mileage from the engine)? Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. What's the sense of a different motor pushing a waterlogged boat? They used open cell foam in those old boats. This says your boat should weigh 835 lbs. http://www.iboats.com/Terry__Pro_Bas...bp/61b125380r1 Empty the boat before weighing, then subtract the published motor weight. If you don't know of a local scale, try looking here. http://www.catscale.com It doesn't matter if the boat was garaged. When water goes in that foam it don't come out. Sounds like you should just sell that boat and get one that will go as fast as you want to go. If you got $500 for it, you could save just $800 and see if this guy would take $1300. http://charlotte.craigslist.org/boa/1872342108.html Save some more for this. http://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/1924917798.html 45mph! Be careful you don't hit a stump. If your boat is waterlogged you just don't want be throwing any money at it. Boats are too cheap now to be doing that. If the boat isn't hundreds of pounds overweight, and is otherwise sound, then your re-power idea has merit. Jim - Sometimes you need to look real hard at your plans. Another advantage of weighing your boat. The original trailer may not be sturdy enough to carry the additional weight of a waterlogged boat. The original 1986 trailer that came with my 1986 sailboat was rated at 1200 lbs...turned out the boat weighed 1700 + pounds. The idiot I had build a new trailer for me went with this 1200 mfg estimate and put on trailer springs rated for 1800 lb. The boat & trailer (no motor or gas aboard) came in at over 2300 lbs. The trailer broke down within 500 miles on my first road trip. (the biggest thing the idiot did wrong was not spacing the spring hangers properly for the length of springs) You have to be careful trailering on the highways. |
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On 8/30/10 12:00 PM, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. It's probably the lead Ranger poured into one side of the bilge to make the boat float level. About one cubic foot of lead isn't far off from that weight you are carrying around. |
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On Aug 30, 12:00*pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. * I got to thinking about it. *A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. *To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? Is all the space between your floor and the hull accessible? Case it's not on most boats. |
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On Aug 30, 12:15*pm, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:00*pm, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. * I got to thinking about it. *A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. *To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? *Is all the space between your floor and the hull accessible? *Case it's not on most boats. You're right on the money. The Foam Cores are almost always NOT accessible. When I re-did the sub frames,and floors in my boat, it WAS accessible. No water in there, luckily. |
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On Aug 30, 1:28*pm, "*e#c" wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:15*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Aug 30, 12:00*pm, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. * I got to thinking about it. *A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. *To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat.. How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? *Is all the space between your floor and the hull accessible? *Case it's not on most boats. You're right on the money. The Foam Cores are almost always NOT accessible. When I re-did the sub frames,and floors in my boat, it WAS accessible. No water in there, luckily.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, when I redid my floor I removed the foam. The foam was only accessible with the floor removed. |
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On Aug 30, 1:43*pm, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Aug 30, 1:28*pm, "*e#c" wrote: On Aug 30, 12:15*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Aug 30, 12:00*pm, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. * I got to thinking about it. *A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. *To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? *Is all the space between your floor and the hull accessible? *Case it's not on most boats. You're right on the money. The Foam Cores are almost always NOT accessible. When I re-did the sub frames,and floors in my boat, it WAS accessible. No water in there, luckily.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, when I redid my floor I removed the foam. *The foam was only accessible with the floor removed. The plywood in mine had separated already, so it was easy. The foam cores were in the rear of the boat. Both sides, measuring 5 feet long, by 2 feet square. covered with new ply, and fiber-glassed shut using new matting. Problem is, I haven't found a paint that will adhere to the glass gelcoat... Ideas? I don't want carpet in the stern of the boat. When fishing, it gets stained with Rainbow Trout blood...lol. I could put down those 3m " no-slip " strips...... |
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On Aug 30, 2:06*pm, "*e#c" wrote:
On Aug 30, 1:43*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Aug 30, 1:28*pm, "*e#c" wrote: On Aug 30, 12:15*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Aug 30, 12:00*pm, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. * I got to thinking about it. *A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. *To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? *Is all the space between your floor and the hull accessible? *Case it's not on most boats. You're right on the money. The Foam Cores are almost always NOT accessible. When I re-did the sub frames,and floors in my boat, it WAS accessible. No water in there, luckily.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, when I redid my floor I removed the foam. *The foam was only accessible with the floor removed. The plywood in mine had separated already, so it was easy. The foam cores were in the rear of the boat. Both sides, measuring 5 feet long, by 2 feet square. covered with new ply, and fiber-glassed shut using new matting. Problem is, I haven't found a paint that will adhere to the glass gelcoat... Ideas? I don't want carpet in the stern of the boat. When fishing, it gets stained with Rainbow Trout blood...lol. I could put down those 3m " no-slip " strips......- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I painted the inside of my nelow floor hold with tinted black epoxy. Took a couple coats. Seems to have held up so far. I used the same tint that is used in gelcoat, uscomposites.com has it. |
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On 8/30/10 1:18 PM, wrote: I often think the published weight is before they put in any of the creature comforts like seats and consoles, just what is below the deck. Might be, hasn't been my experience. I buy the brand trailer I like from a dealer in Virginia Beach and tow it home. With the current trailer, the traffic was very light on the way home so I pulled into a truck weigh station and asked if the operator would weigh my boat trailer. I unhitched it, he weighed it. It was within 25 pounds of what the manufacturer said it would weigh. Last year, I pulled into the same weigh station with the boat. It was within 100 pounds of what Parker said it would weigh with engine, batteries, some gear and a half tank of fuel, less the weight of the trailer. Bull****! Are you trying to tell people here that their published weight is within 100 lbs. of actual AFTER adding a half of tank of fuel, and your gear?????? You are full of ****, spoofer. |
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"Secular Humorist" wrote in message ... On 8/30/10 1:18 PM, wrote: I often think the published weight is before they put in any of the creature comforts like seats and consoles, just what is below the deck. Might be, hasn't been my experience. I buy the brand trailer I like from a dealer in Virginia Beach and tow it home. With the current trailer, the traffic was very light on the way home so I pulled into a truck weigh station and asked if the operator would weigh my boat trailer. I unhitched it, he weighed it. It was within 25 pounds of what the manufacturer said it would weigh. Last year, I pulled into the same weigh station with the boat. It was within 100 pounds of what Parker said it would weigh with engine, batteries, some gear and a half tank of fuel, less the weight of the trailer. If BS was music....you'd be a brass band! |
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W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, Jim wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. I've seen where some weigh their new boat and find it a couple hundred pounds over. The manufacturers always claim it's because different workers lay glass differently than others, especially in how much resin. And that makes sense if you're talking 10% weight or so. Can't hurt to weigh the boat as a first step. If it's not way more heavy than it should be, then go after the power side. But if it's waterlogged, might as well throw it away. Every case of waterlogged foam I've seen also has rotten stringers. It's a 1972 boat glass boat. Nixon was President. Jim - Some preferred Terry Bass over Ranger. |
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On 8/30/10 4:18 PM, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:39:03 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:15:27 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc wrote: On Aug 30, 12:00 pm, wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. How do you know the foam isn't waterlogged? Is all the space between your floor and the hull accessible? Case it's not on most boats. Pulled the access panels. Where the extra weight came from, nobody knows. Opps - hit send too early. :) 7.5 gallons of water takes up one cubic foot of space. 109 gallons of water takes up 14.5 cubic feet of space. 14.5 cubic feet is a LOT of space on a small boat. Even if the foam was open celled (which it is not), the sheer amount of space required for the weight gain would rule that out. One cubic foot of lead to make the boat float level... :) |
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On 8/30/10 4:38 PM, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:26:49 -0500, wrote: W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:18 -0500, wrote: Best advice you got so far was to weigh the boat to see if the foam is waterlogged. I don't know if you remember Jim, but I found out that my Ranger bay boat is about 870 lbs over published weight putting the whole rig right on the edge of trailer capacity - 4,980 lbs for a 5,000 lb trailer. The foam isn't waterlogged. I called Ranger about it and they didn't have an explanation either. I got to thinking about it. A gallon of water weighs 8 lbs. To have 870 lbs of extra water weight, the boat would have to hold 109 gals of water. That's a lot of cubic feet of water to have in foam on a 20 foot boat. I've seen where some weigh their new boat and find it a couple hundred pounds over. The manufacturers always claim it's because different workers lay glass differently than others, especially in how much resin. And that makes sense if you're talking 10% weight or so. Funny you should mention that. Back when I was in the market for a 32' CC I thought about a custom designed CC from Blue Fin over in Bristol, RI. We took a trip over there, met the design crew, took the manufacturing plant tour (which was really interesting) and just generally got comfortable with them - great folks by the way. Anyhow, I asked about weight (because of the Ranger) and the design guy told me the weight spec could be off as much as 10/12% to the plus side and never on the other side. For exactly that reason - extra layer of glass, little more mat in strength areas, density of the core material and how it absorbed the resin under vacuum - he listed a bunch of things that would cause the extra weight. So you're right on that score. Just as a side note, I would have bought the boat they planned for me if the Grady dealer hadn't come up with an acceptable price. :) This is funny stuff. In building modern, small fiberglass boats, the glass cloth is cut to a pattern, either by hand or by numerically controlled machines. The amount of chop is known. The amount of gelcoat is known. The amount of resin is known. The amount of XL ply is known. So are the weights of these products, as are the weights of what the factory installs into the boat, such as a pair of batteries. The Parker factory told me my boat, sans engine, would weigh about 2700 pounds, a bit less than what it usually did because I opted out of a fairly heavy option. I knew what the engine would weigh, and I know what a half tank of gas weighs. All things being equal, the finished hull and accessories, san engine and gas, for my boat would have been within 50 pounds of what the factory says, to account for more resin, glass, whatever. But 10 to 12% more on a small boat built to the typical standard without additional heavy options? Bull****. My guess is that no one at Ranger actually weighed a model of the boat Tom boat when his was made. Someone just guessed, and they guessed...low. Some years ago, there was a discussion in a real boating group about a Bertram that wouldn't float level on its lines, and the "fix" was pouring in a couple of tons of concrete on the "high" side. Maybe tom's boat has some "extra" weight for that reason...or perhaps there are a few bodies stuffed in under the bilges. |
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