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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:05:00 -0400, John H
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:00:40 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:46:58 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:24:32 -0400, John H
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I am just saying it is beyond the capability of any government to show
up in 4 hours (or even 40 hours) with a million bottles of water. That
seemed to be what everyone expected

That would take only about seven or eight C-17s.

It would take one C-17 just to hold all of the governmental paperwork
and administrative ops.

After watching the recovery from Wilma and Charley first hand I can
say private industry was far more effective than the government.
Publix supermarket was here with water, ice and food within hours.
They are the ones with the warehouses full of FRESH supplies and a
distribution network to get them into the area, even if they can't get
right to your house. I had plenty on hand but my nervous neighbors
made a "publix run" up to US41 in a big boat and came back with
hundreds of pounds of Ice and water. The road out of here was blocked
by several trees and 2 feet of water but that really only lasted an
hour or so because some rednecks with big tire gas guzzlers and chain
saws cut up the downed trees and dragged them out of the road. By the
time the water was off the road, it was cleared.
Cell phones were a sometime thing. A few carriers were somewhat up,
NexTel was down. That kept Judy from getting a crane down here for
about 14 hours. First thing the next morning we had an 83 ton truck
crane idling in front of my house. He plucked the mango tree off of my
screen cage and we went over and got the big tree off my neighbor's
house.
A gang of Latino gentlemen were here that afternoon cutting up the
mango tree and getting the big fichus off my shed.
That was when they got the name "Union Mexicans" because I gave them
$100 each.

Most rednecks believe strongly in personal responsibility, as you just
showed. A
true liberal would have called Geraldo Rivera and whined about the lack of
government help.

FEMA didn't even show up in Punta Gorda (that took the direct hit from
Charley) for over a week. We have a friend there who saw blue sky over
her house as the eye passed over. They went out, just for that look.
They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

The poor people living in NOLA are not living in denial. They're living the
"American dream" (according the right-wing).

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

The poor people living in NOLA are not living in denial. They're living
the "American dream" (according the right-wing).



They are living the lazy, suck at the government teat. Obama, should have
told them to get off their lazy asses and clean up the crap on the streets.
Does not cost money, just work and time. And since most are unemployed,
they should have lots of time. Every place else where a natural disaster
hit here in the USA, has cleaned up their neighborhood. I went there for
Habitat for Humanity in April after the storm. Went to Slidell. About 40
miles away. lots of empty buildings and short hours at the restaurants as
there was a lack of labor. $10.50 an hour at McD's and a$500 bonus for
staying 3 months. But anybody that was able bodied was making at least $25
an hour as a roofer, carpenter or day labor. They had cleaned up most of
the stuff and piled the trash in large piles waiting for a scoop loader and
truck to take it away. NOLA was still a trash heap. Why were not the
people there cleaning up their hood? Waiting for FEMA to do the work?
Waiting for some government entity to hire them at $50 an hour to clean up
their own yards? It was the most dangerous city in the country before the
storm. Only reason it did not show up on the FBI crime stats as they were
15,000 people under the cutoff for cities to be listed. Lots of those who
left have brought up the crime level at their destination cities. Ask
Houston how they like the NOLA refugees.

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

The poor people living in NOLA are not living in denial. They're living
the "American dream" (according the right-wing).



They are living the lazy, suck at the government teat. Obama, should have
told them to get off their lazy asses and clean up the crap on the
streets. Does not cost money, just work and time. And since most are
unemployed, they should have lots of time. Every place else where a
natural disaster hit here in the USA, has cleaned up their neighborhood.
I went there for Habitat for Humanity in April after the storm. Went to
Slidell. About 40 miles away. lots of empty buildings and short hours at
the restaurants as there was a lack of labor. $10.50 an hour at McD's and
a$500 bonus for staying 3 months. But anybody that was able bodied was
making at least $25 an hour as a roofer, carpenter or day labor. They had
cleaned up most of the stuff and piled the trash in large piles waiting
for a scoop loader and truck to take it away. NOLA was still a trash
heap. Why were not the people there cleaning up their hood? Waiting for
FEMA to do the work? Waiting for some government entity to hire them at
$50 an hour to clean up their own yards? It was the most dangerous city
in the country before the storm. Only reason it did not show up on the
FBI crime stats as they were 15,000 people under the cutoff for cities to
be listed. Lots of those who left have brought up the crime level at
their destination cities. Ask Houston how they like the NOLA refugees.

You sound like you're bitter about the fact that poor people need help from
time to time. Sure sounds like racism and elitism to me. You've got yours
and screw everyone else.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:23:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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You sound like you're bitter about the fact that poor people need help from
time to time. Sure sounds like racism and elitism to me.

It is improper to lump all of the poor together in one category. Some
are much more deserving and/or needier than others, and that has
nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

Something else to think about: Have you ever considered that it is
impossible to eliminate poverty? We define poverty rather
arbitrarily as some statistical percentage of the population. That
percentage never goes away no matter what.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:16:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

Maybe the New Orleans folks should all move to Mississippi. Those folks, with a
little Republican leadership, got their act together and fixed things. The NO
folks, five years later, are still whining about what the government is not
doing for them.

Today's news talked about the corrupt government and corrupt police force.
Wonder if there's any union folks in either?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

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On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:16:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

Maybe the New Orleans folks should all move to Mississippi. Those folks,
with a
little Republican leadership, got their act together and fixed things. The
NO
folks, five years later, are still whining about what the government is
not
doing for them.

Today's news talked about the corrupt government and corrupt police force.
Wonder if there's any union folks in either?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Maybe you should move to China with Nuckles.