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On 01/08/2010 7:51 AM, Harry ? wrote:

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If the Volt is supposed to save America, boy, are you in deep ****. If
it was on the stock market, I would short circuit the Volt so fast...

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.

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On 1-Aug-2010, Canuck57 wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.

DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

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On 1-Aug-2010, Canuck57 wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.

DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries? According to my
battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to drained and then
the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of replacement. What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much would
you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack?

Oh, and what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery pack?
You can't just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the backyard.

BAR wrote:
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On 1-Aug-2010, Canuck57 wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.
DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries?

10 years, but that's GM talking.

According to my
battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to drained and then
the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of replacement.

Your battery expert. Right.
GM is giving an 8 year, 100,000 warranty on the battery, whichever first.
If the car is used for 40 mile daily trips that's 2500 discharge cycles
to get to 100,000 miles and less than 7 years.
Either your "battery expert" is way off or GM is screwed.
Place your bet.


What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much would
you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack?

Oh, and what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery pack?
You can't just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the backyard.

What does it cost you to recycle your car battery now when you buy a new
one? And your refrigerator?
Almost everything gets recycled at a profit.
That's why guys and gals are driving around in beat-up pickups looking
for free recyclable crap.
Where the hell have you been?

Jim - Math is your friend. I just call it arithmetic.

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BAR wrote:
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On 1-Aug-2010, Canuck57 wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.
DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries?

10 years, but that's GM talking.

According to my battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to
drained and then the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of
replacement.

Your battery expert. Right.
GM is giving an 8 year, 100,000 warranty on the battery, whichever first.
If the car is used for 40 mile daily trips that's 2500 discharge cycles
to get to 100,000 miles and less than 7 years.
Either your "battery expert" is way off or GM is screwed.
Place your bet.


What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much would
you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack? Oh, and
what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery pack? You can't
just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the backyard.

What does it cost you to recycle your car battery now when you buy a new
one? And your refrigerator?
Almost everything gets recycled at a profit.
That's why guys and gals are driving around in beat-up pickups looking
for free recyclable crap.
Where the hell have you been?

Jim - Math is your friend. I just call it arithmetic.


~~ Snerk ~~
Ah.. that Bertie.
Up here I'd take it to the metal recyclers and earn a few dollars for my
trouble.

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BAR wrote:
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says...
On 1-Aug-2010, Canuck57 wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.
DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries?

10 years, but that's GM talking.

Marketing, pure marketing.

According to my
battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to drained and then
the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of replacement.

Your battery expert. Right.

Yes, my battery expert. I've been married to her for 18 years and she
has been working in the field of batteries for 25 years. NiCd, NiMh,
LIon and some other stuff that hasn't hit the market yet. She is waiting
to get a cell from the Hubble's recently replaced battery pack. It will
be the first time that batteries have been returned to Earth from long
term space flight. She wants to compare the cells that were in flight
with the cells that they have been running in life test since the Hubble
ascended to orbit.


GM is giving an 8 year, 100,000 warranty on the battery, whichever first.
If the car is used for 40 mile daily trips that's 2500 discharge cycles
to get to 100,000 miles and less than 7 years.
Either your "battery expert" is way off or GM is screwed.

I asked my battery expert that same question. She said that LIon
batteries, which they are using in the Volt, can now only handle 400
full discharge cycles, from full charge to full discharge. Partial
discharges don't count.

Place your bet.

I'll stick with my battery expert.

I have a $12,500 car that gets 37 MPG and doesn't require any special
charging station and when the fuel tanks runs low I can stop in any gas
station to refuel.

What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much would
you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack?

Oh, and what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery pack?
You can't just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the backyard.

What does it cost you to recycle your car battery now when you buy a new
one? And your refrigerator?

My car battery is $10. I have had to replace 2 recently. One on a 13
year old mini-van and the other on a 9 year old truck.

Our old fridge was haulled away for $50. I could have taken it to the
county recycling locaiton for free. But, when there are two guys who are
going to take it out of your house, load it on a truck and it is gone
you can't beat the price.

Almost everything gets recycled at a profit.

True, but the value of a non-working fridge is $5.

That's why guys and gals are driving around in beat-up pickups looking
for free recyclable crap.

As long as they don't try and steal my aluminium gutters off of my house
I am happy.

Where the hell have you been?

In the better part of town.

On 01/08/2010 4:56 PM, Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
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says...
On 1-Aug-2010, Canuck57 wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.
DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries?

10 years, but that's GM talking.

According to my battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to
drained and then the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of
replacement.

Your battery expert. Right.
GM is giving an 8 year, 100,000 warranty on the battery, whichever first.
If the car is used for 40 mile daily trips that's 2500 discharge cycles
to get to 100,000 miles and less than 7 years.
Either your "battery expert" is way off or GM is screwed.
Place your bet.

Science and practical experience by 100's of millions of laptops say
otherwise.

You want to bet on GM with their track record? Go for it. Sucker born
every minute of every day.

What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much
would you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack?
Oh, and what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery
pack? You can't just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the
backyard.

What does it cost you to recycle your car battery now when you buy a new
one? And your refrigerator?

$100 for the battery. $100 to haul the old fridge away, but often
included if you buy a new one.

Almost everything gets recycled at a profit.

Yep. Just like workers don't work for nothing, neither do companies.

That's why guys and gals are driving around in beat-up pickups looking
for free recyclable crap.
Where the hell have you been?

Jim - Math is your friend. I just call it arithmetic.

Mine isn't beat up. A/C works too, unlike the Volt.

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In Alberta, Liberals are like rats, not many of them around.

On 01/08/2010 4:17 PM, BAR wrote:
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says...

On 1-Aug-2010, wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.

DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries? According to my
battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to drained and then
the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of replacement. What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much would
you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack?

Oh, and what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery pack?
You can't just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the backyard.

That is about right. But with Lithium, there is also a shelf life, no
more than 4 years is typical. After 4 years, they become nothing more
than capacitors for short duration charges.

Obama does not care, he will not be president by then...or so I hope.

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In Alberta, Liberals are like rats, not many of them around.

On Aug 2, 3:26*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 01/08/2010 4:17 PM, BAR wrote:





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On *1-Aug-2010, *wrote:

And more than 1/2 the value of the parts are made offshore, LMAO.

DAMN! Just like toyota's, honda's, nissan's.....what a fraud.

What is the live expectancy of the Volt's batteries? According to my
battery expert it is about 400 cycles from charged to drained and then
the LIon batteries will be useless and in need of replacement. What is
the value of a Volt with a non-functioning battery pack? How much would
you pay for a used Prius with a non-functioning battery pack?

Oh, and what is it going to cost you to recycle your Volt battery pack?
You can't just pull it out and leave it in the garage or the backyard.

That is about right. *But with Lithium, there is also a shelf life, no
more than 4 years is typical. *After 4 years, they become nothing more
than capacitors for short duration charges.

Obama does not care, he will not be president by then...or so I hope.

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In real world experience it's no better than an old style acid lead
battery... They give a 10 year warrantee, just like the 6 year you
get on your lead acid. They count on half of the folks loosing the
warantee, voiding it, or just not bothering like a regular battery.
It's just a marketing ploy...