On Jul 19, 5:03Â*pm, Harry  wrote:
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:





On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, Â*wrote:
Â*wrote in message

....

I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes Â*for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. Â*So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, Â*I got a healthy can of Â*marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, Â*I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and Â*update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; Â*know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. Â*I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.

Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q

If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that pontoon
boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha four stroke,
or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not going to restore the pontoon. it's very functional as it is,
and i bought it for lake time family get togethers and it proved it's
self worth on July 4th. But it's a good sized barge and really too
much for two people to really enjoy, or at least that's the way the
wife and I feel. granted the v4 is thirsty but I can burn a LOT of
fuel for the price of a late model 4 stroke. And speaking of 4 cycle,
I'm tempted to eventually mod it for a 140 hp mercruiser I have from a
clapper I bought jsut for the parts. Good engine and drive train and
rotten hull and interior. I bought it for spares for my 18 ft. Chris
Craft. There's even pontoons that size that come stock with 350 GM's.
but I think that's a bit of over kill myself.

Also with the car engine, I can also go a sort of hybrid electric
which I've been off-and-on thinking about for a while.

On Jul 19, 7:11*pm, Larry wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, *wrote:

*wrote in message

....

I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes *for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. *So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, *I got a healthy can of *marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, *I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and *update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; *know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. *I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.

Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q

Start a web page, Tim! *There are others that are very interesting to
follow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's an idea Larry, but I think it would be easier to post the pics
on iBoats, seeing they have a section dedicated to rebuilds with lots
of pics on how-to and various ideas. It's hard to imagine that
somebody woudl do a hull up rebuild on a 16 ft. fiberglass runabout
but it is done and done right. There's a 15 yr. old kid that took a
clapped out aluminum Jon boat, ripped out the wood and redid the
entire thing with many updates and made it litterally better than new.

Very impressive to see his pics and how imaculate of care he took in
the entire refurbish.

On Jul 19, 7:45*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:11*pm, Larry wrote:





Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, *wrote:

*wrote in message

...

I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes *for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. *So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal..

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, *I got a healthy can of *marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, *I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and *update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; *know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. *I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.

Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q

Start a web page, Tim! *There are others that are very interesting to
follow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's an idea Larry, but I think it would be easier to post the pics
on iBoats, seeing they have a section dedicated to rebuilds *with lots
of pics on how-to *and various ideas. It's hard to imagine that
somebody woudl do a hull up rebuild on a 16 ft. fiberglass runabout
but it is done and done right. There's a 15 yr. old kid that took a
clapped out aluminum Jon boat, ripped out the wood and redid the
entire thing with many updates and made it litterally better than new.

Very impressive to see his pics and how imaculate of care he took in
the entire refurbish.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's a link to that specific thread I mentioned. I dont' think you
have to register to see the pics:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=286547

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/19/10 7:44 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/19/10 6:33 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...







I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold
the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and
I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon
valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance
to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from
the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good
deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done
sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this
year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day
joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project.
Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have
a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after
as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford
the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round
trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that pontoon
boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha four
stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a yamaha
of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM



On what planet does e-tec rule the water

you must not get out much Harry??? its the third rock from the sun


I'm unimpressed by e-tecs, their market penetration, and their owners.


I just got to ask...what in hell could you have against e-tec owners? just
pure jealousy or what? and have you actually ever been in front of a e-tec?
Obama has a e-tec...

"Larry" wrote in message
news
Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...





I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about seen
it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no failure
to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock to
ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day
joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that pontoon
boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha four stroke,
or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a yamaha
of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy and
emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions, there
torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in aluminum river
john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do like the older 2
cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of power 4 cycle yamaha's
suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and kids but not for me...hell
no!! slow assed over weight dogs.

On 7/19/10 8:59 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/19/10 7:44 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/19/10 6:33 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...








I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on
the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which
hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in
the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor
and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon
valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in
it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are
deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a
chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the
transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and
they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install
new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts
from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good
deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done
sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply
gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything
else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of
just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this
year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day
joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project.
Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and
have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and
after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to
afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round
trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon
boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha four
stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha
of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM



On what planet does e-tec rule the water

you must not get out much Harry??? its the third rock from the sun


I'm unimpressed by e-tecs, their market penetration, and their owners.


I just got to ask...what in hell could you have against e-tec owners?
just pure jealousy or what? and have you actually ever been in front of
a e-tec? Obama has a e-tec...


There are three e-tecs at last count in my local marina. One seems to be
always in the shop for repair.

I get a chuckle from the overzealous owners of e=tecs. We have one in
this newsgroup. He's bull****ed about every aspect of its operation here.

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Jul 19, 7:45 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:11 pm, Larry wrote:





Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:

wrote in message

...

I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about seen
it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no failure
to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock to
ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2 day
joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.

Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q

Start a web page, Tim! There are others that are very interesting to
follow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's an idea Larry, but I think it would be easier to post the pics
on iBoats, seeing they have a section dedicated to rebuilds with lots
of pics on how-to and various ideas. It's hard to imagine that
somebody woudl do a hull up rebuild on a 16 ft. fiberglass runabout
but it is done and done right. There's a 15 yr. old kid that took a
clapped out aluminum Jon boat, ripped out the wood and redid the
entire thing with many updates and made it litterally better than new.

Very impressive to see his pics and how imaculate of care he took in
the entire refurbish.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's a link to that specific thread I mentioned. I dont' think you
have to register to see the pics:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=286547


and he's only 15 years old, thats is so cool

On 7/19/10 9:09 PM, Happy wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
news
Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...






I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2
day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project. Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha
four stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy
and emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions,
there torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in
aluminum river john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do
like the older 2 cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of
power 4 cycle yamaha's suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and
kids but not for me...hell no!! slow assed over weight dogs.


Overweight? The 250 hp etec weighs 518 pounds. The new four stroke
Yamaha 250 Vmax weighs 505 pounds. In other words, they weigh about the
same.

I doubt e-tecs will beat a fourstroker on economy, emissions or noise. I
suspect the numbers are pretty damned close.

As for that tired old youtube video, it's been shot to **** a zillion
times already. The owners of evinrude's brand name rigged the test.

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/19/10 9:09 PM, Happy wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
news
Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...






I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which hold
the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor and
I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon
valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a chance
to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts from
the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good
deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done
sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this
year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2
day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project.
Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and have
a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and after
as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to afford
the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round
trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha
four stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy
and emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions,
there torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in
aluminum river john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do
like the older 2 cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of
power 4 cycle yamaha's suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and
kids but not for me...hell no!! slow assed over weight dogs.


Overweight? The 250 hp etec weighs 518 pounds. The new four stroke Yamaha
250 Vmax weighs 505 pounds. In other words, they weigh about the same.

I doubt e-tecs will beat a fourstroker on economy, emissions or noise. I
suspect the numbers are pretty damned close.

As for that tired old youtube video, it's been shot to **** a zillion
times already. The owners of evinrude's brand name rigged the test.



"I doubt " so you really don't know, go get you one and impress yourself.
and of course evinrude rigged the test, you can clearly see the yamaha
driver is behind on the throttle and the e-tec gets the grunt on, but having
operated both the Yamaha and e-tec Yamaha 4 stroke has no game compaired to
the e-tec and I don't have to "doubt" about it, I have experienced it first
hand and see it most everyday, weak sick ass but quiet 4 strokes. man you
got to be some kind of fruit cake to not know the dif and be a boaty
guy...theres just know way harry...its funny as hell really...lolololl

On 7/19/10 9:41 PM, Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/19/10 9:09 PM, Happy wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
news Happy wrote:

"Harry " wrote in message
...
On 7/19/10 5:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:31 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...







I decided that since I found wood rot and a cracked manifold on
the
Marquis that maybe I should do a bit more investigating. Oh the
engine
is fine, but I have noticed that the aluminum pillars which
hold the
seats were loose on the floor. doing some investigating, the
previous
owners had used large lag screws and had drilled small holes in
the
plywood and ran the bolts in. Three of the five on one seat were
loose
and when I pulled them out they were rusty which made the seat
totally
unstable. Then I thought that I should get rid of the pillars and
build boxes for the seats, also providing storage room for tools,
spare prop, etc.

Then I got to thinking that those rusty bolts are indicators of
possible problems with the floor underneath. I have a very small
access to the steel fuel tank which is mounted under the floor
and I
do have access to the sending unit as well as the anti-siphon
valve,
but the rubber hose going to the fuel pump is getting cracks in
it,
and I can't have that. So, my carpenter buddy and I are
deciding to
rip out the floor and sides for a total re-do. I want to check to
see
the validity of the fuel tank for rust etc. Plus add an extra fuel
tank for longer cruising range instead of strapping a spare tank
onto
the swim platform as originally planned. This also gives a
chance to
check out the stringers and investigate for other wood rot and
replace
if necessary. I've already removed the back panel and the
transom's
integrity is fine. No rot there.

Saturday I went to the a very reputable boat shop; the best in the
area- which is about 30 mi away, and was able to talk with a
mechanic
who has worked there for about 20+ years. Yep, he's just about
seen it
all. I told him about the cracked manifold which had been psuedo-
repaired with JB weld and he said to bring the manifold in and
they
could inspect it, then weld it. I asked if it would hold, and they
said they've had boats out for better than 10 years with no
failure to
their repairs, and it would be at a fraction of the cost of a new
one
and they would also inspect the risers as well. But if the
manifold[s]
were too far gone (and there is that chance) they would install
new
ones for about the same price as what I could get the parts
from the
ebay stores and do it myself. I thought that was a pretty good
deal.

I've removed the bent up bow railing which is of no concern to me.
While I was at the marina, I got a healthy can of marine epoxy
which
they use, and will start in on filling holes where I pulled the
railing off and work on the nicks in the hull. when I'm done
sanding
and prepping the necessary spots, I'll take it to them to apply
gel
coat where necessary. I plan on getting rid of the antique depth
finder and the Ray Jefferson radio and update/replace anything
else
that needs be while I have the boat stripped down.

I could go on about my project but Jimmy the carpenter and I are
going
to lay out a floor plan and add conveniences to fit instead of
just
throwing them in and tying them down.

Well, there will be no river trip for the wife and myself this
year,
but- duty now for the future.

You could still do a trip with the pontoon, say from cave in rock
to ky
lake, just put in at the cave and I will take your truck on a 2
day joy ride
to KY Lake marina??? sounds fun to me...
also Iboats restoration forum is full of rebuilds and pics,- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I've checked them out and there's lots of detailed pics from
people who have been really imaculate on their rebuild/restores.
That's one place where I got some inspiration abotu this project.
Like
I said, it'll probably be the las boat I ever own and I got it
scandlously cheap, so I could put anouther $1000-1500 in it and
have a
great riding and functioning craft; know what I have and still be
less money than buying something compatable off a dealer. I'll
probably be taking some pics of the before, middle stages and
after as
I go.


Now concerning the pontoon, I think I'd need a co-signer to
afford the
fuel for it to go on the trip we're wanting to take. 200 mi round
trip
on a v-4 Johnson? I'd probably need a tanker to follow us.

?:^ Q


If you are going to spend the time and money on restoring that
pontoon boat, why not buy yourself a new non-current 100 hp Yamaha
four stroke, or something similar. Better mpg's, quieter, et cetera.


who in his right mind would want a 4 stroke yamy when e-tec rules the
water and is cleaner and gets better fuel economy and can pull a
yamaha of equal HP backward and to its grave??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7I00cZUE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM


That is impressive but I'd also like to see them compare fuel economy
and emissions.

The word up around here is they rule on fuel economy and emissions,
there torque is amazing, I've been at the controls of 90hp e-tec in
aluminum river john and I felt like I had 150 straped to my ass. I do
like the older 2 cycle yamaha but unless your a old lady and scared of
power 4 cycle yamaha's suck! I guess they would be ok for the wife and
kids but not for me...hell no!! slow assed over weight dogs.


Overweight? The 250 hp etec weighs 518 pounds. The new four stroke
Yamaha 250 Vmax weighs 505 pounds. In other words, they weigh about
the same.

I doubt e-tecs will beat a fourstroker on economy, emissions or noise.
I suspect the numbers are pretty damned close.

As for that tired old youtube video, it's been shot to **** a zillion
times already. The owners of evinrude's brand name rigged the test.



"I doubt " so you really don't know, go get you one and impress yourself.
and of course evinrude rigged the test, you can clearly see the yamaha
driver is behind on the throttle and the e-tec gets the grunt on, but
having operated both the Yamaha and e-tec Yamaha 4 stroke has no game
compaired to the e-tec and I don't have to "doubt" about it, I have
experienced it first hand and see it most everyday, weak sick ass but
quiet 4 strokes. man you got to be some kind of fruit cake to not know
the dif and be a boaty guy...theres just know way harry...its funny as
hell really...lolololl


Jesus, what are you...a high school dropout? Sorry I bothered. Are you
also a political conservative?