On 7/19/10 5:41 PM, Jack wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:16 pm, wrote:
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On Jul 19, 2:25 pm, wrote:
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:42:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Testing of BP well integrity "detected seep a distance from the well"
in
the
Gulf of Mexico, Ret. Adm. Thad Allen says.

I am not sure why they don't open the valve now that they have a good
cap and produce the oil to the surface. That will take off the
pressure and still be safe/clean. After all that was the point in
drilling the well in the first place.
I think they are pressing their luck trying to top kill this with the
cap. Something that would have been fine at the production pressures
may rupture with it sealed and put us back 2 months.

I agree... not an oil engineer, but it seems to make sense. I think they
just don't want to have to record the flow rate, so the fine is lower.
Too
bad for them. I think Allen should force them to do that.

Open pipe flow rate can be determined by calculation if the pressure,
pipe diameter, and a few other factors are known, and they all are at
this point. That does not tell us how much oil has escaped, since
except for a few hours the leak has never been in a free flow mode.

Any measured flow would be through the valves and hoses that would be
connected from the cap to the surface ships, which once again tell us
nothing about the escaped oil, or the fine to be levied. That only
tells us how much flow those connections can accept.

The only thing you are correct about is that you are no "oil
engineer"... or any kind professional that requires critical,
scientific thinking.

In that case, mister moron, how come just about everyone who is an oil
engineer who doesn't work for BP is saying that's the likely reason they
don't want to do that?? Yes, you're a jerk as well as a moron.

You wrote, " I think they just don't want to have to record the flow
rate...", but that's not the issue at all. If they are to hook up the
pipes to the surface, they have to open the well back up, letting oil
again flow into the gulf for days. That's what BP doesn't want to do,
it has nothing to do with recording any "flow rates".

"The apparent disagreement began to sprout Saturday when Allen said
the cap would eventually be hooked up to a mile-long pipe to pump the
crude to ships on the surface. But early the next day, BP chief
operating officer Doug Suttles said the cap should stay clamped shut
to keep in the oil until relief wells are finished."

"The government's plan would ease pressure on the fragile well, but
would require up to three more days of oil spilling into the Gulf."

"But the company very much wants to avoid a repeat of the live
underwater video that showed millions of gallons of oil spewing from
the blown well for weeks."

Oh, and one "expert" that the idiot Olbermann dug up who said the crap
you stated does not come anywhere close to "everyone"... you do
realize that's not news, it's entertainment for idiots, right? You
should really stop watching that crap on TV... it's rotting your
brain. Oops, too late.



Jackoff *believes* BP's PR...

snerk

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On Jul 19, 3:16 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Jul 19, 2:25 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:42:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Testing of BP well integrity "detected seep a distance from the
well"
in
the
Gulf of Mexico, Ret. Adm. Thad Allen says.

I am not sure why they don't open the valve now that they have a
good
cap and produce the oil to the surface. That will take off the
pressure and still be safe/clean. After all that was the point in
drilling the well in the first place.
I think they are pressing their luck trying to top kill this with
the
cap. Something that would have been fine at the production pressures
may rupture with it sealed and put us back 2 months.

I agree... not an oil engineer, but it seems to make sense. I think
they
just don't want to have to record the flow rate, so the fine is lower.
Too
bad for them. I think Allen should force them to do that.

Open pipe flow rate can be determined by calculation if the pressure,
pipe diameter, and a few other factors are known, and they all are at
this point. That does not tell us how much oil has escaped, since
except for a few hours the leak has never been in a free flow mode.

Any measured flow would be through the valves and hoses that would be
connected from the cap to the surface ships, which once again tell us
nothing about the escaped oil, or the fine to be levied. That only
tells us how much flow those connections can accept.

The only thing you are correct about is that you are no "oil
engineer"... or any kind professional that requires critical,
scientific thinking.

In that case, mister moron, how come just about everyone who is an oil
engineer who doesn't work for BP is saying that's the likely reason they
don't want to do that?? Yes, you're a jerk as well as a moron.

You wrote, " I think they just don't want to have to record the flow
rate...", but that's not the issue at all. If they are to hook up the
pipes to the surface, they have to open the well back up, letting oil
again flow into the gulf for days. That's what BP doesn't want to do,
it has nothing to do with recording any "flow rates".

According to many experts that has to do with it exactly.

"The apparent disagreement began to sprout Saturday when Allen said
the cap would eventually be hooked up to a mile-long pipe to pump the
crude to ships on the surface. But early the next day, BP chief
operating officer Doug Suttles said the cap should stay clamped shut
to keep in the oil until relief wells are finished."

"The government's plan would ease pressure on the fragile well, but
would require up to three more days of oil spilling into the Gulf."

"But the company very much wants to avoid a repeat of the live
underwater video that showed millions of gallons of oil spewing from
the blown well for weeks."

Because of bad press and because the flow can't be accurately determined.

Oh, and one "expert" that the idiot Olbermann dug up who said the crap
you stated does not come anywhere close to "everyone"... you do
realize that's not news, it's entertainment for idiots, right? You
should really stop watching that crap on TV... it's rotting your
brain. Oops, too late.

Never listened any expert on Olbermann... sorry. Feel free to google for
this from the experts.

You should really grow up and stop defending BP.

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On Jul 19, 3:16 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Jul 19, 2:25 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

. ..

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:42:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Testing of BP well integrity "detected seep a distance from the
well"
in
the
Gulf of Mexico, Ret. Adm. Thad Allen says.

I am not sure why they don't open the valve now that they have a
good
cap and produce the oil to the surface. That will take off the
pressure and still be safe/clean. After all that was the point in
drilling the well in the first place.
I think they are pressing their luck trying to top kill this with
the
cap. Something that would have been fine at the production pressures
may rupture with it sealed and put us back 2 months.

I agree... not an oil engineer, but it seems to make sense. I think
they
just don't want to have to record the flow rate, so the fine is lower.
Too
bad for them. I think Allen should force them to do that.

Open pipe flow rate can be determined by calculation if the pressure,
pipe diameter, and a few other factors are known, and they all are at
this point. That does not tell us how much oil has escaped, since
except for a few hours the leak has never been in a free flow mode.

Any measured flow would be through the valves and hoses that would be
connected from the cap to the surface ships, which once again tell us
nothing about the escaped oil, or the fine to be levied. That only
tells us how much flow those connections can accept.

The only thing you are correct about is that you are no "oil
engineer"... or any kind professional that requires critical,
scientific thinking.

In that case, mister moron, how come just about everyone who is an oil
engineer who doesn't work for BP is saying that's the likely reason they
don't want to do that?? Yes, you're a jerk as well as a moron.

You wrote, " I think they just don't want to have to record the flow
rate...", but that's not the issue at all. If they are to hook up the
pipes to the surface, they have to open the well back up, letting oil
again flow into the gulf for days. That's what BP doesn't want to do,
it has nothing to do with recording any "flow rates".

"The apparent disagreement began to sprout Saturday when Allen said
the cap would eventually be hooked up to a mile-long pipe to pump the
crude to ships on the surface. But early the next day, BP chief
operating officer Doug Suttles said the cap should stay clamped shut
to keep in the oil until relief wells are finished."

"The government's plan would ease pressure on the fragile well, but
would require up to three more days of oil spilling into the Gulf."

"But the company very much wants to avoid a repeat of the live
underwater video that showed millions of gallons of oil spewing from
the blown well for weeks."

Oh, and one "expert" that the idiot Olbermann dug up who said the crap
you stated does not come anywhere close to "everyone"... you do
realize that's not news, it's entertainment for idiots, right? You
should really stop watching that crap on TV... it's rotting your
brain. Oops, too late.


Here you go your moronic brainiac.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6688083.shtml

On 19/07/2010 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:42:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Testing of BP well integrity "detected seep a distance from the well" in the
Gulf of Mexico, Ret. Adm. Thad Allen says.

I am not sure why they don't open the valve now that they have a good
cap and produce the oil to the surface. That will take off the
pressure and still be safe/clean. After all that was the point in
drilling the well in the first place.
I think they are pressing their luck trying to top kill this with the
cap. Something that would have been fine at the production pressures
may rupture with it sealed and put us back 2 months.

Probably because everything has to go through government. And the only
way to do that is if it does not make any sense.

Why not get that oil, will go a long way to pay for cleanup. $77 a
barrel...why waste it?

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:59:36 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 19/07/2010 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:42:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Testing of BP well integrity "detected seep a distance from the well" in the
Gulf of Mexico, Ret. Adm. Thad Allen says.

I am not sure why they don't open the valve now that they have a good
cap and produce the oil to the surface. That will take off the
pressure and still be safe/clean. After all that was the point in
drilling the well in the first place.
I think they are pressing their luck trying to top kill this with the
cap. Something that would have been fine at the production pressures
may rupture with it sealed and put us back 2 months.

Probably because everything has to go through government. And the only
way to do that is if it does not make any sense.

the right wing model

1. govt doesnt do anything and lets the company handle it...

right wingers scream that the govt has been bought by the oil company
and has abandoned people

2. govt steps in

the right wing screams that the poor oil company is a victim of
socialism and it should be able to do what it wants (as, indeed,
canuck has said several times)

damned if you do...