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insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:25:22 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. how is it regulated when it's the insurance companies making the policy? When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. you really do drink the right wing kool aid, don't you? You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at least 40 years. Where you been? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. I hope they're regulated out of business. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:08:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. As long as insurance companies pump billions into politician's pockets, they are not going anywhere. Thanks SCOTUS for making it even easier. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"Califbill" wrote in message m... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:25:22 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. how is it regulated when it's the insurance companies making the policy? When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. you really do drink the right wing kool aid, don't you? You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at least 40 years. Where you been? Ever since the insurance industry bought Richard M Nixon. Been going downhill ever since. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. It's all about free enterprise and free enterprise is corporate America being allowed to grab you by the gonades and sqeeze just as hard and as long as they want to. There is a requirement for any company working on USG contracts overseas that requires the companies to purchase "defense base act" (DBA) insurance. There are only a few providers for this insurance, the biggest being AIG and the next being CNA. The Dept of Labor is supposed to monitor and ensure the injured are being fairly treated by these insurance companies but like ALL other USG bureaucracies, the DOL is doing a **** poor job. In the rare occasion that the injured is determined to be worthy of compensation or further treatment by DOL, the way the system is set up, the insurance company can ignore the DOL with no repercussion. These companies are finally being investigated for war profiteering but I doubt much, if anything will be done to them. Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives, belongs to big business. The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government is supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our government has had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very long time. It's a great way to control the masses. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:01:51 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:25:22 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. how is it regulated when it's the insurance companies making the policy? When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet. You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at least 40 years. Where you been? ROFLMAO!! IOW you approve of rationing by insurance companies...and you are backpedaling since you guys claimed it was the GOVT doing this. it's not. it's the insurance companies. |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 7/18/10 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this medical legislation you are now criticizing. That's not true. Health care reform was watered down repeatedly in order to attract some Republican votes. But no matter what the Dems did, the Repubs would not go for it because real reform would not be good for their insurance company owners and, of course, the stated GOP leader goal of doing whatever it could to "destroy" the Obama presidency. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:38:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:08:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist Well, read it again. Thanks to people like Nelson more vs. less compromise had to happen. You claimed it was Harry Reid's fault. Now, it's Obama's fault. No way it could be Sen. Pull-the-plug-on-grandma Grassley. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this medical legislation you are now criticizing. The point is that the GOP refused to cooperate with ANYTHING. So, yes, I pretty much blame them for most everything that doesn't get done in DC. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:35:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:38:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:08:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ra0546d707tfib2mgnq51nccden5d6uuko@4ax .com... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist Well, read it again. Thanks to people like Nelson more vs. less compromise had to happen. You claimed it was Harry Reid's fault. Now, it's Obama's fault. No way it could be Sen. Pull-the-plug-on-grandma Grassley. You didn't watch the show. There is a lot more in there than the program notes on that page. In any case, Grassley and his kind have no credibility wrt to healthcare insurance reform. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:53:07 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this medical legislation you are now criticizing. uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'. 2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being done by their friends the insurance companies 3rd we DID have a voice...that's why we got SOME health reform that will cover almost everyone AND, according to the CBPP, will reduce the deficit conservatives? free market fundamentalists that led to our current meltdown |
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insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:08:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. As long as insurance companies pump billions into politician's pockets, they are not going anywhere. Good articles on "Sponsored Bills" re California, but applies Federally also. There are more articles if you search. A series. http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-sto...061?source=pkg |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:01:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:25:22 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. how is it regulated when it's the insurance companies making the policy? When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet. You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at least 40 years. Where you been? ROFLMAO!! IOW you approve of rationing by insurance companies...and you are backpedaling since you guys claimed it was the GOVT doing this. it's not. it's the insurance companies. Where did I say I approve? I understand why you have not had a raise in 10 years. You are very ignorant and probably socially unacceptable to most of your coworkers. They would probably like to see you leave of your own freewill. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
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says... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:25:22 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. how is it regulated when it's the insurance companies making the policy? When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. you really do drink the right wing kool aid, don't you? You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at least 40 years. Where you been? I can go to any doctor I want to go to. However, if they are not in my plans, PPO network, then I pay 30%. If I pick an in-network doctor then I pay 10% up to a maximum. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency. She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that fell below the line our taxes would pay for it. If you were above the line, you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't paid the insurance company. Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side (corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side (us). Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry. Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency. Your party is as dirty as the other. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 17/07/2010 11:08 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. I hope they're regulated out of business. Maybe there is nothing they can do for you? -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 17/07/2010 11:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:08:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. As long as insurance companies pump billions into politician's pockets, they are not going anywhere. I would not bank on that. Looking at the congression spending and revenue projection for 2011 and beyond, huge tax increase are in store to offset the even more spending on top of the debt spending going on now. In fact, it looks like total taxation, excluding health care has to double. Government is no longer happy with 0.1% kickbacks when they can get the whole health care revenue stream. GM, GMAC, Fannie, Freedie will make sure the politicians get the greece in lobbiests, government lobbiests that is. But government wants that huge hunk of change to skim it for 30-50%. Plus to use it to "justify" the whopping tax increases. That is what they did in Canada and UK when the fat lady sung the whole song. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 18/07/2010 11:07 AM, Harry  wrote:
On 7/18/10 12:53 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this medical legislation you are now criticizing. That's not true. Health care reform was watered down repeatedly in order to attract some Republican votes. But no matter what the Dems did, the Repubs would not go for it because real reform would not be good for their insurance company owners and, of course, the stated GOP leader goal of doing whatever it could to "destroy" the Obama presidency. Dems watered it down, GOP was against it to the wire. Dems forced it. Any watering or problems, the be 100% on the democriters heads. Don't weasel on it. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 17/07/2010 11:08 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:50:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. This is not "free enterprise".It is regulated enterprise. When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. You are still free to pay more but now your government mandated insurance will not cover it. I think I warned you. BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. I hope they're regulated out of business. Maybe there is nothing they can do for you? ?? You're an idiot. There's no medical fix for that, that's for sure. |
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On 18/07/2010 6:01 PM, mmc wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency. She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that fell below the line our taxes would pay for it. If you were above the line, you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't paid the insurance company. Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side (corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side (us). Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry. Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency. Your party is as dirty as the other. Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 18/07/2010 11:07 AM, Harry  wrote: On 7/18/10 12:53 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:26:36 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this medical legislation you are now criticizing. That's not true. Health care reform was watered down repeatedly in order to attract some Republican votes. But no matter what the Dems did, the Repubs would not go for it because real reform would not be good for their insurance company owners and, of course, the stated GOP leader goal of doing whatever it could to "destroy" the Obama presidency. Dems watered it down, GOP was against it to the wire. Dems forced it. Any watering or problems, the be 100% on the democriters heads. Don't weasel on it. You're an idiot and a liar. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 18/07/2010 6:01 PM, mmc wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: BS. The insurance companies have no business deciding anything related to healthcare. They charge a lot and do nothing. Then why did Harry Reid let them write the Senate bill? It is a fact that it was written by a couple of lobbyists who were from UHC. He didn't. That's a complete distortion. Are you claiming that you were more in favor of the House version? If so, I agree. It was better. The one that finally passed had lots of compromise built in. That's call politics. It's also not the end of the line for reform. That right wing network PBS reported it on Frontline, naming the lobbyists. I suppose they could have lied but nobody called them on it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl... rce=proglist so what your OWN reference says is that, like ALL legislation, the powerful interest groups had a voice in it... gee. tell it to the NRA. i suppose they don't do this, do they? obama was working within the current system. the logical choiice would have been to dismantle the insurance companies and go to a single payer system but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency. She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that fell below the line our taxes would pay for it. If you were above the line, you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't paid the insurance company. Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side (corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side (us). Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry. Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency. Your party is as dirty as the other. Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? Oh go wash your face. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
mmc wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. It's all about free enterprise and free enterprise is corporate America being allowed to grab you by the gonades and sqeeze just as hard and as long as they want to. There is a requirement for any company working on USG contracts overseas that requires the companies to purchase "defense base act" (DBA) insurance. There are only a few providers for this insurance, the biggest being AIG and the next being CNA. The Dept of Labor is supposed to monitor and ensure the injured are being fairly treated by these insurance companies but like ALL other USG bureaucracies, the DOL is doing a **** poor job. In the rare occasion that the injured is determined to be worthy of compensation or further treatment by DOL, the way the system is set up, the insurance company can ignore the DOL with no repercussion. These companies are finally being investigated for war profiteering but I doubt much, if anything will be done to them. Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives, belongs to big business. Yep. The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government is supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our government has had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very long time. It's a great way to control the masses. Yep. Notice what the lefties and righties here are doing right now. Calling each other names. That works out real good for the pols, lobbyists and big business. Won't last too long though. It's all falling apart. Jim - Former Republican and former Democrat. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 18/07/2010 7:09 AM, mmc wrote:
Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives, belongs to big business. Good point worth repeating. The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government is supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our government has had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very long time. It's a great way to control the masses. Priceless. The well worded stark truth. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 18/07/2010 8:04 PM, Jim wrote:
mmc wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38294522...ew_york_times/ insurance companies are starting to ration care by choosing which doctors they'll let you see. so much for free enterprise. It's all about free enterprise and free enterprise is corporate America being allowed to grab you by the gonades and sqeeze just as hard and as long as they want to. There is a requirement for any company working on USG contracts overseas that requires the companies to purchase "defense base act" (DBA) insurance. There are only a few providers for this insurance, the biggest being AIG and the next being CNA. The Dept of Labor is supposed to monitor and ensure the injured are being fairly treated by these insurance companies but like ALL other USG bureaucracies, the DOL is doing a **** poor job. In the rare occasion that the injured is determined to be worthy of compensation or further treatment by DOL, the way the system is set up, the insurance company can ignore the DOL with no repercussion. These companies are finally being investigated for war profiteering but I doubt much, if anything will be done to them. Our government, including our Democrat and Republican representatives, belongs to big business. Yep. The American people are too conditioned to realize that the government is supposed to work for them and not the other way around. Our government has had the scared and stupid campaign going for a very long time. It's a great way to control the masses. Yep. Notice what the lefties and righties here are doing right now. Calling each other names. That works out real good for the pols, lobbyists and big business. Won't last too long though. It's all falling apart. Jim - Former Republican and former Democrat. Too bad people are so head stuck up their asses hell bent for no change. Be a good time for a new party with the motto... Right now you work for the governemnt. Governemnt should work for you... Vote for a real change... Trouble is how to get 200m bozos to think more than democrat black or republican white, and in balck and white. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:56:52 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:01:51 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: king the policy? When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they couldn't afford to pay the good doctors. the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet. You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at least 40 years. Where you been? ROFLMAO!! IOW you approve of rationing by insurance companies...and you are backpedaling since you guys claimed it was the GOVT doing this. it's not. it's the insurance companies. Where did I say I approve? I understand why you have not had a raise in 10 years. You are very ignorant and probably socially unacceptable to most of your coworkers. so he thinks i'm 100M americans. i know the right wing can't count but that's a bit stupid the ENTIRE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS hasnt had a raise in 10 years. and he blames it on me!!! what a MORON. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:01:57 -0400, "mmc" wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:31:06 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:19:04 -0400, wrote: but the right wing would NEVER have supported this...they WANTED the insurance companies to have a voice... oh...wait...the companies DID... Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency. She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that fell below the line our taxes would pay for it in a sense we already do. who do you think pays for emergency care for people who can't afford it? .. If you were above the line, you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't paid the insurance company. Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side (corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side (us). Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry. Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency. Your party is as dirty as the other. at least money is going to the middle class in benefits. not to the rich in CDO's |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:36:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty. OMFG!! he's discovered politics is dirty!! |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:17:48 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: That is what they did in Canada and UK when the fat lady sung the whole song. guess he's unaware that the canadian economy is in better shape than the US, and the UK has just announced major spending cuts. ooh well...the right never was very smart |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 18/07/2010 9:08 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:17:48 -0600, wrote: That is what they did in Canada and UK when the fat lady sung the whole song. guess he's unaware that the canadian economy is in better shape than the US, and the UK has just announced major spending cuts. ooh well...the right never was very smart It is only temporary. They say that but in reality Canada is always a little behind. What really helps us is that we are resources/food based. Want beer and wheat, or oil and NG to warm the butts in winter... Even export hydro eletrcity. We do not have much discretionary manufacturing like boats. For example, China is growing, they buy a lot of coal from Tech Cominco. Keeps the rails, banks, incomes, cities and tax base running even though US buyers are fewer. At some point Canada usually does lapse and follow the US, but in part, our government has been more conservative only overspending $60 billion or so depending on who you believe. Small by US comparison even if you factor in population. Example, Federally Canada has $240 billion or so revenue. But is overspending say $60 billion. Or about 25%. US democrats are overspending closer to 85% by the same measurements. Yep, Obama could double your income tax and he probably still could nt make a balanced budget. Spend crazy madnes in DC. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 18/07/2010 9:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:36:13 -0600, wrote: Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty. OMFG!! he's discovered politics is dirty!! In Canada and US, you bet. Crooked, might as well let Chavez run DC or Ottawa. It is why I am bullish on certain countries in South America and China. Our corrupt governments really pooched the economy good. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
On 18/07/2010 9:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:
Hillary came up with the framework for what we ended up with when she was championing healthcare reform during Bill Clinton's presidency. She wanted to make health insurance mandatory for all and for those that fell below the line our taxes would pay for it in a sense we already do. who do you think pays for emergency care for people who can't afford it? Heard here are hospitals that take patients that cannot pay, but can't say I used one. I paid my own insurance when in the US. . If you were above the line, you pay the insurance company or handed the money in as a tax and the gov't paid the insurance company. Same smelly funk that we have now. Nothing done to fix the supply side (corporate $$$$ giants) just bleed a little more out of the demand side (us). Either way it was a HUGE friggin payday for the health insurance industry. Had she swung it, the industry may have bought her the presidency. Your party is as dirty as the other. at least money is going to the middle class in benefits. not to the rich in CDO's Huh? CDO? You mean CEO? Governemtn GA is 25%!!! Makes a CEO at $50 million look cheap. -- Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common sense? |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:20:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:23:51 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:07:05 -0400, Harry ? wrote: used the rationalization that any bill called "health care" was better than nothing. We are starting to see that may not be right and we are just starting to see the ramifications of the language that nobody read. By 2014, when the biggest parts of the bill come on line, I expect to see massive public outrage. blah blah blah...when has the right wing crystal ball been right? About as often as the CBO guestimates. Medicare cost 10 times what the CBO projected in the first 10 years. It has been bankrupt for about 4-5, simply borrowing money to pay it's bills. And, your solution is what exactly? I don't think getting rid of medicare is going to be very popular. |
insurance companies choosing which doctors you can see
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote: The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this medical legislation you are now criticizing. uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'. The American public rejects single payer in most polls. 2nd the GOP has been ranting about 'rationing'....it's already being done by their friends the insurance companies Then why are you shocked in the top note of this thread? Nope. Wrong again: http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html |
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