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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:16:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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In any case, Grassley and his kind have no credibility wrt to healthcare
insurance reform.

You never saw me say he did.

You posted a link that used him as a commentator on the issue. He has no
credibility.

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On 18/07/2010 9:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:56:52 -0700, "Califbill"
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:01:51 -0700, "Califbill"
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king the
policy?

When the health care law limited what the plan would charge, they
couldn't afford to pay the good doctors.

the health care law hasnt gone into effect yet.


You have had to go to an in system doctor for most health plans for at
least
40 years. Where you been?

ROFLMAO!! IOW you approve of rationing by insurance companies...and
you are backpedaling since you guys claimed it was the GOVT doing
this. it's not. it's the insurance companies.


Where did I say I approve? I understand why you have not had a raise in 10
years. You are very ignorant and probably socially unacceptable to most of
your coworkers.

so he thinks i'm 100M americans. i know the right wing can't count but
that's a bit stupid

the ENTIRE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS hasnt had a raise in 10 years.

and he blames it on me!!!

what a MORON.

Yep. Stupid people get left behind in competition. Take sports, no one
comes out to see a looser fumble the ball time after time.... They want
winners!

Well, many an American has lost the winning spirit and traded it in for
whining and welshing. Not my fault they can vote for a big mouth
pandering more whining and entitlement BS.

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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:05:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:04:24 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

the ENTIRE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS hasnt had a raise in 10 years.

That is not true at all.

really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Househo..._United_States

While the median household income has increased 30% since 1990, it has
increased only slightly when considering inflation.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...o-income-gain/

The typical American household made less money last year than the
typical household made a full decade ago.

To me, that’s the big news from the Census Bureau’s annual report on
income, poverty and health insurance, which was released this morning.
Median household fell to $50,303 last year, from $52,163 in 2007. In
1998, median income was $51,295. All these numbers are adjusted for
inflation.

In the four decades that the Census Bureau has been tracking household
income, there has never before been a full decade in which median
income failed to rise.


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so go ahead, tell us more rush limballs right wing bull****...



There are plenty of people who are making
more money than they did 10 years ago,. I am married to one of them.

more right wing bull****....no one gives a flying **** about your
wife. she's not 100,000,000 members of the middle class

you right wingers crack me up. you have your little fantasy worlds,
your talk radio bull**** and you ignore the evidence.

i'm sure you're unable to use real data...but the grownups use it.
come on back when your mom lets you play with the adults

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:12:03 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/07/2010 9:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:56:52 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

the ENTIRE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS hasnt had a raise in 10 years.

and he blames it on me!!!

what a MORON.

Yep. Stupid people get left behind in competition

i love it...the entire american middle class hasnt had a raise in 10
years

and the right wing says it's their fault


Well, many an American has lost the winning spirit and traded it in for
whining and welshing.

oh heavens...so true. has nothing to do with the greed of the
rich...nope...the rich are perfectly moral, infallible...

so it must be 100,000,000 hard working americans

the right wing lives in a castle with flying monkeys

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:47:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:19:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The point was that you like to blame the GOP for everything bad that
happens to you but they were the only ones who had NO voice in this
medical legislation you are now criticizing.

uh no. first, the GOP would never have permitted the BEST solution...a
single payer system...to take hold. THEY guarded the insurance
companies under the guise of 'free enterprise'.

The American public rejects single payer in most polls.

because they believe right wing bull****. they reject a system that
works because of their belief in a myth of a free economy

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:04:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/07/2010 9:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:36:13 -0600,
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Have the same problem in Canada, all the parties are dirty.

OMFG!! he's discovered politics is dirty!!

In Canada and US, you bet. Crooked, might as well let Chavez run DC or
Ottawa. It is why I am bullish on certain countries in South America
and China.

china is a socialst state with no middle class protections at all and
no pay increases until they started riotiing

your kind of place

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:07:56 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/07/2010 9:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:

at least money is going to the middle class in benefits. not to the
rich in CDO's

Huh? CDO? You mean CEO? Governemtn GA is 25%!!! Makes a CEO at $50
million look cheap.

no. collaterialized debt obligations....the fairy tales the rich
invented to sell more bull**** to trash the economy and steal from the
middle class

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On 7/19/10 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:20:43 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:23:51 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:07:05 -0400, Harry
wrote:

used the rationalization that any bill called "health care" was better
than nothing. We are starting to see that may not be right and we are
just starting to see the ramifications of the language that nobody
read. By 2014, when the biggest parts of the bill come on line, I
expect to see massive public outrage.

blah blah blah...when has the right wing crystal ball been right?

About as often as the CBO guestimates.
Medicare cost 10 times what the CBO projected in the first 10 years.
It has been bankrupt for about 4-5, simply borrowing money to pay it's
bills.

And, your solution is what exactly? I don't think getting rid of medicare is
going to be very popular.


Nothing painful is popular, that is why we are borrowing 40 cents of
every dollar the federal government spends.
Unfortunately I don't have a good answer but there is going to be a
bad answer, forced on us by reality, within the next few years.
At a certain point, we may have a hard time finding people who will
loan the US money for an interest rate we can afford to pay.
Then we will have our "Greece" moment and a lot of the things we think
we are "entitled to" will go away. The open question will be whether
we will have the same street riots the Greeks had. It won't be exactly
the same since we are better armed.



Easy solution: draconian tax increases on individuals with more than
$250,000 a year in income, on that income over $250,000, no ceilings on
payroll taxes, stricter tax rules on corporations, especially on
overseas investments, et cetera. Oh...and cutting military expenditures
in half.

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On 7/19/10 12:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:14:03 -0400, Harry
wrote:

Nothing painful is popular, that is why we are borrowing 40 cents of
every dollar the federal government spends.
Unfortunately I don't have a good answer but there is going to be a
bad answer, forced on us by reality, within the next few years.
At a certain point, we may have a hard time finding people who will
loan the US money for an interest rate we can afford to pay.
Then we will have our "Greece" moment and a lot of the things we think
we are "entitled to" will go away. The open question will be whether
we will have the same street riots the Greeks had. It won't be exactly
the same since we are better armed.



Easy solution: draconian tax increases on individuals with more than
$250,000 a year in income, on that income over $250,000, no ceilings on
payroll taxes, stricter tax rules on corporations, especially on
overseas investments, et cetera. Oh...and cutting military expenditures
in half.

It is certainly a move in the right direction but it is not enough to
solve the problem.
The interest on the debt is almost as big as the pentagon budget and
it will pass it in the next year or two. SS/Medicare dwarf both of
those in the out years. (2016 and beyond)
They are both upside down already. I am not sure how much our kids are
willing to pay in payroll taxes when they figure out grandma is making
more money than they do. As a group, the seniors have more disposable
income than the people under 35.
That may not remain true when boomers who are still carrying huge debt
loads try to retire but I blame them (sorry Bob).
They should have listened to their depression era parents and lived
within their means.
I have always told people, if you can't afford to feed yourself, how
can you afford to feed yourself and a banker. That is what borrowing
is. Why do people always assume they will have more money later?


I'm afraid the only solution for this country will involve an entire
upheaval of society, towards a northern European socialist model that
helps rebuild a larger and stronger middle class that has options for
housing, good health care, good schools, and decent opportunities for
the future of its children. To get there will involve relieving the
wealthy of a good chunk of its holdings, regulations that favor
investment only in the United States, a demilitarization, and real Wall
Street, banking, insurance reform.

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