California and Arizona
 

California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie "Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish & Game conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a new
security agent with additional special training the nature of coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail. A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.

California and Arizona
 

On 17/07/2010 7:39 PM, mmc wrote:
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie "Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish& Game conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a new
security agent with additional special training the nature of coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail. A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

California and Arizona
 

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:53:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

you can just see the right wing canuck when the cop asks him

'vhere are your PAPERZ!!! herr canuck....'

he's all for it

California and Arizona
 

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail.
A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie "Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish & Game
conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a
new
security agent with additional special training the nature of coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the
State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail. A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Pretty close. Unfortunately, little will change. The governor here has very
little real power.

California and Arizona
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 7:39 PM, mmc wrote:
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail.
A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie "Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish& Game
conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a
new
security agent with additional special training the nature of
coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the
State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail. A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point
cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Your racism and moronic nature is showing. Obama is coming to get you! Hide
immediately!

California and Arizona
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 7:39 PM, mmc wrote:
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail.
A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie
"Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish& Game
conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the
world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a
new
security agent with additional special training the nature of
coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the
State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail. A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point
cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Your racism and moronic nature is showing. Obama is coming to get you!
Hide immediately!



Someone posts a humorous semi realistic post about the land of fruits and
nuts and you come along and dump one of your big stinky turds on it. So
typical of your ilk. "Girls just don't want to have fu-un." eh Cindi.

--
Harold

California and Arizona
 

"Harold" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 7:39 PM, mmc wrote:
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature
trail. A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie
"Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish& Game
conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better
treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the
world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a
new
security agent with additional special training the nature of
coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the
State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail.
A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and
keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point
cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Your racism and moronic nature is showing. Obama is coming to get you!
Hide immediately!



Someone posts a humorous semi realistic post about the land of fruits and
nuts and you come along and dump one of your big stinky turds on it. So
typical of your ilk. "Girls just don't want to have fu-un." eh Cindi.

--
Harold


Whooo... just can't ignore me can you. You're a moron. You're a racist. Keep
trying.

California and Arizona
 

"Harold" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 7:39 PM, mmc wrote:
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature
trail. A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie
"Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish& Game
conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better
treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the
world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train a
new
security agent with additional special training the nature of
coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the
State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail.
A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and
keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point
cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Your racism and moronic nature is showing. Obama is coming to get you!
Hide immediately!



Someone posts a humorous semi realistic post about the land of fruits and
nuts and you come along and dump one of your big stinky turds on it. So
typical of your ilk. "Girls just don't want to have fu-un." eh Cindi.

--
Harold


The governor of California actually has huge power. Extremely huge. But
Arnold did not use it. The governor has the "LINE ITEM VETO" in this state.
That is great power if used.

California and Arizona
 

"Califbill" wrote in message
...


"Harold" wrote in message
...
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 7:39 PM, mmc wrote:
California:

The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature
trail. A
coyote jumps out, bites the Governor and attacks his dog.


1. The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie
"Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

2. He calls animal control. Animal Control captures coyote and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.

3. He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills
the
State $200 testing it for diseases.

4. The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked
for
diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.

5. The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish& Game
conducts
a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is free of dangerous animals.

6. The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

7. The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better
treat
rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the
world.

8. The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
somehow and for letting the Governor attempt to intervene.

9. Additional cost to State of California: $75,000 to hire and train
a new
security agent with additional special training the nature of
coyotes.

10. PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files suit against the
State.


Arizona:

The Governor of Arizona is jogging with her dog along a nature trail.
A
Coyote jumps out and attacks her dog.

1. The Governor shoots the coyote with her State-issued pistol and
keeps
jogging. The Governor has spent $0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point
cartridge.

2. The Buzzards eat the dead coyote.



And that's why California is broke.


Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Your racism and moronic nature is showing. Obama is coming to get you!
Hide immediately!



Someone posts a humorous semi realistic post about the land of fruits and
nuts and you come along and dump one of your big stinky turds on it. So
typical of your ilk. "Girls just don't want to have fu-un." eh Cindi.

--
Harold


The governor of California actually has huge power. Extremely huge. But
Arnold did not use it. The governor has the "LINE ITEM VETO" in this
state. That is great power if used.

Too bad you're misinformed. Firstly, Cal governors have very limited power.
Secondly, he did use it on more than a few times.

http://www.californiahealthline.org/...furloughs.aspx

California and Arizona
 

On 17/07/2010 10:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:53:13 -0600,
wrote:



Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

you can just see the right wing canuck when the cop asks him

'vhere are your PAPERZ!!! herr canuck....'

he's all for it

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in order.
--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

California and Arizona
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2010 10:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:53:13 -0600,
wrote:



Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

you can just see the right wing canuck when the cop asks him

'vhere are your PAPERZ!!! herr canuck....'

he's all for it

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

Ah... so that's when you were deported and now can't get back into this
great country.

California and Arizona
 

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:01:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/07/2010 10:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:53:13 -0600,
wrote:



Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

you can just see the right wing canuck when the cop asks him

'vhere are your PAPERZ!!! herr canuck....'

he's all for it

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american

but he's a fascist canadian...very very stuipd

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.

California and Arizona
 

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?

California and Arizona
 

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:14:41 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:53:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Yep, a real shortage of rational polticians, good that Arizona has one.

you can just see the right wing canuck when the cop asks him

'vhere are your PAPERZ!!! herr canuck....'

he's all for it

You've never been asked for ID or a license?
--

John H

California and Arizona
 

On 7/19/10 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

Perhaps we could pull most of our military forces out of europe and
japan, and swear 100,000 of them into the border patrol. That way, we
could get something useful out of the military. And to satisfy the
racist conservative republicans, we could restrict legal immigration to
those who can prove their aryan ancestry.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

I believe MMS was doping just fine. :)

There's a difference between ENFORCEMENT and creating new laws. New laws are
the domain of the Fed in this case. There are lots of things that the Fed
screws up. That doesn't give states license to be creatively making new law.

I'm glad you're able to predict the future. Can you tell us who'll be
replacing Scalia?

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:36:28 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?


A Florida license (Real ID) is "papers" in Arizona. They will pull up
everything they need to determine my citizenship from the mag stripe
on the back of my license.
The real burden is on women with "real ID" since they will have to
produce every marriage license and divorce decree to get their license
(or get it renewed). You have to document every name change.
Fort me it was real easy. They just wanted to see my DD214 and that
allowed me to skip a lot of the paperwork.
The same was true of Social Security.

Yet, Florida didn't create a new law to do this. Thus, your argument is
without merit.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:15:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

I believe MMS was doping just fine. :)

Huh?

Your post had a small typo. :)

There's a difference between ENFORCEMENT and creating new laws. New laws
are
the domain of the Fed in this case. There are lots of things that the Fed
screws up. That doesn't give states license to be creatively making new
law.

There are thousands of state laws that mirror federal law., Are you
saying a state can't have a law against kidnapping?

No. I'm saying that AZ created a new law that doesn't just mirror Fed law.

You can't even make a 14th amendment case since you do not have the
right to violate federal law.

They usurped Federal law. That's a no-no.

I'm glad you're able to predict the future. Can you tell us who'll be
replacing Scalia?

I have been pretty good at predicting the future so far. I did say
Goldman would come out of their case OK. They ended up copping to
admitting they might have had better disclosure and gave the
government part of what they made on the deal.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:16:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

A Florida license (Real ID) is "papers" in Arizona. They will pull up
everything they need to determine my citizenship from the mag stripe
on the back of my license.
The real burden is on women with "real ID" since they will have to
produce every marriage license and divorce decree to get their license
(or get it renewed). You have to document every name change.
Fort me it was real easy. They just wanted to see my DD214 and that
allowed me to skip a lot of the paperwork.
The same was true of Social Security.

Yet, Florida didn't create a new law to do this. Thus, your argument is
without merit.


Florida enforces immigration policy without a new law. They just do
it. When a cop catches an illegal, they call INS.

Which is fine and normal. They didn't create a new one, claiming Federal
action is inadequate.

California and Arizona
 

California and Arizona
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

She (a self-proclaimed lawyer) doesn't realize that Arizona is enforcing
federal laws.

Really moron? In that case, why did they pass additional legislation? You (a
self-described moron) needs to smarten up.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:13:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
om...
wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:07:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Arizona has no business determining immigration policy. It's a federal
issue.


The problem is the feds are not doping their job. As we have said
several times here, states are already enforcing immigration laws. It
is particularly true in Florida. I can't speak for others because I
don't live there. This US v AZ is just a political move to get votes
for the democrats in the mid term. The US is going to lose the case.

She (a self-proclaimed lawyer) doesn't realize that Arizona is enforcing
federal laws.

Really moron? In that case, why did they pass additional legislation? You
(a
self-described moron) needs to smarten up.


I think they passed their law to differentiate Arizona from California
that has sanctuary laws in place.
I imagine the reason why Californians are so ****ed about this law is
they know it will be their state that is absorbing a lot of these
illegals and overloading your broke government's ability to serve
them.

I think they passed their law at the behest of people who prey upon people's
fears.

Many Californians are ****ed because we tend to be a more progressive state.
I don't think we have to worry about a few people coming from AZ. We're a
border state too.

California and Arizona
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the license
will show your citizenship.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:01:26 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you
get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the license
will show your citizenship.

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for border
security.

California and Arizona
 

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.

California and Arizona
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.

California and Arizona
 

\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.












]]]]]]]

California and Arizona
 

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:06:59 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you
get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the license
will show your citizenship.

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for border
security.

Why do you care? You don't live in Arizona.

i lived there. never saw a problem with the illegals.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:56:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.


It really sounds like it worked too. Illegals are leaving Arizona and
Obama is beefing up the border. That is all they wanted.

They're leaving because of the racist law that will hopefully soon be
stopped by the court. Obama isn't the only one who sent troops to the
border, and "beefing" up the border is not just about sending troops. Talk
to McCain, who at one point, took a rational approach.

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:01:26 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:09:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

Got pulled over once in Florida, does that count? My papers were in
order.

he doesnt know the difference between a license to operate a vehicle

and having your papers to prove you're an american


Since the feds passed "Real ID" that is going to be the same thing.
The cop can use the unique ID number on the back of your license
(buried on the mag stripe and in that dot code) and find out
everything the government knows about you.
That is why an Arizona driver's license is "papers",

go ahead and try to get a license in 1 state with a license from
another state. i did that with a texas license in PA 2 years ago.

good luck.

americans dont have to show **** to a cop beyond their license when
driving a car. and the right wing wants to change all that...

"VHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS HERR FREWELL"?



In most states you have to show proof of insurance papers also. Or you
get
to walk to the nearest bus stop as the car is towed. With a ticket
issued
to you. More than just showing your license to the cop. And the
license
will show your citizenship.

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Why do you care? You don't live in Arizona.

I care because I'm invested in mankind. Therefore send not to know for whom
the bell tolls. It tolls for thee (with apologies to John Donne).

California and Arizona
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.

Most police (at least out here) will accept your DL number if you don't have
your ID. It's happened to me once or twice when I left the DL at home.

California and Arizona
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:56:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog
through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.


It really sounds like it worked too. Illegals are leaving Arizona and
Obama is beefing up the border. That is all they wanted.

They're leaving because of the racist law that will hopefully soon be
stopped by the court. Obama isn't the only one who sent troops to the
border, and "beefing" up the border is not just about sending troops.
Talk to McCain, who at one point, took a rational approach.

Thank God they can go to California to get away from the racists.

Jim - Seeing the silver lining.

California and Arizona
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.

Most police (at least out here) will accept your DL number if you don't
have your ID. It's happened to me once or twice when I left the DL at home.


Neat trick remembering your DL number. Or a crock.

Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"

California and Arizona
 

Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:56:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID,
get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog
through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The
state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they
can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.


It really sounds like it worked too. Illegals are leaving Arizona and
Obama is beefing up the border. That is all they wanted.

They're leaving because of the racist law that will hopefully soon be
stopped by the court. Obama isn't the only one who sent troops to the
border, and "beefing" up the border is not just about sending troops.
Talk to McCain, who at one point, took a rational approach.

Thank God they can go to California to get away from the racists.

Jim - Seeing the silver lining.

She thinks enforcing federal laws is racism? There is no way in hell
she is a lawyer.

California and Arizona
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:56:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog
through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.


It really sounds like it worked too. Illegals are leaving Arizona and
Obama is beefing up the border. That is all they wanted.

They're leaving because of the racist law that will hopefully soon be
stopped by the court. Obama isn't the only one who sent troops to the
border, and "beefing" up the border is not just about sending troops.
Talk to McCain, who at one point, took a rational approach.

Thank God they can go to California to get away from the racists.

Jim - Seeing the silver lining.


Heh... nah, we have plenty, but not the governor among them.

California and Arizona
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:56:52 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:13:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID,
get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog
through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

So, why is there a need for a new AZ law? It doesn't do anything for
border
security.

Perhaps political posturing had something to do with it? The state
of
Arizona really can't do much about the immigration issue, but they
can
try to look like they are. They have certainly raised awareness if
nothing else, and it will probably embarass the feds into doing more.


No argument there.


It really sounds like it worked too. Illegals are leaving Arizona and
Obama is beefing up the border. That is all they wanted.

They're leaving because of the racist law that will hopefully soon be
stopped by the court. Obama isn't the only one who sent troops to the
border, and "beefing" up the border is not just about sending troops.
Talk to McCain, who at one point, took a rational approach.

Thank God they can go to California to get away from the racists.

Jim - Seeing the silver lining.

She thinks enforcing federal laws is racism? There is no way in hell she
is a lawyer.

You're an illiterate moron.

California and Arizona
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.

Most police (at least out here) will accept your DL number if you don't
have your ID. It's happened to me once or twice when I left the DL at
home.


Neat trick remembering your DL number. Or a crock.

Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"


You can't remember yours? I can even recite my mastercard number... 5291..
oh wait. lol

California and Arizona
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:33:23 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.

Most police (at least out here) will accept your DL number if you don't
have
your ID. It's happened to me once or twice when I left the DL at home.


You memorized your DL number?
I agree once he pulls it up on his computer and sees your picture,
that will usually work.
I have charged things on my Visa card without the card because I knew
all the numbers they type into the terminal.

Well, it's only a letter plus 8 digits. I do it as a rhyme. :)

California and Arizona
 

On 7/20/10 7:44 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
\\\\\\\ 20 Jul 2010 06:52:21 -0400, wrote:



The SCOTUS also says the cop can make everyone get out, show ID, get
searched for weapons, search the car for weapons and run a dog through
it. Somehow, you immigration status seems pretty minimal at this
point.

he can demand ID. the passengers dont have to show him ****.

Most police (at least out here) will accept your DL number if you
don't have your ID. It's happened to me once or twice when I left the
DL at home.


Neat trick remembering your DL number. Or a crock.

Jim - "Can I see you license, m'aam. Or perhaps a memorized number?"


You can't remember yours? I can even recite my mastercard number...
5291.. oh wait. lol




Flajim can only count to 20, using all his digits. Most guys can count
to 21, but flajim is missing *that* digit.