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![]() "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message news ![]() YukonBound wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 11:23 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 9:18 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I'm headed out to the lake. That is, in a couple hours. The weather is gorgeous, will be about high 80's. I'll be hooking up here in a moment, while the wife is packing the cooler. All day affair, We won't be leaving until the lake until after the fireworks this evening. Plenty of fun to be had today ..... Our weather has been great the last couple of days... just after all our naval visitors left. At least we have the Queen Mary 2 visiting today. Do, you gonna take the Princecraft out for a run? I was all set to do a fleet review in it... but the two carriers left. Probably best to try fresh water this time. BTW... you might be a good guy to ask.... My starter doesn't turn at all.. even with the battery charged up to 13 volts. I get a low volume. static, crackling noise when I press the starter button. I can start the engine the old fashioned way with the pull cord... but now I'm a bit spoiled by the electric start. This is on a 25 hp Johnson 2 stroke 2003 model. Any advice? Don, if you get a 'crackling' noise at the switch, then it's no good. replace it. If you're getting a 'crackling" noise at the starter then the brushes are stuck. that starter is a United Technologies permanent magnet starter and over a course of humidity build up, there's moisture in the starter motor and the springs are probably rotted not letting the brushes contact the armature. that's a simple fix if you have access to some brush springs and/or a brush kit. Thanks Tim.. If the painters aren't pressure washing the house next door tomorrow (the side facing my driveway), I'll test the start button first...and the try to jump past the solenoid. I may have to scramble to find the brushes & springs... although they must be a common item at an Evinrude/Johnson dealership. Check the battery for corrosion and a good contact. That can cause the problem, too. Battery posts look like new, and I rubbed the wire leads with an abrassive. The MinnKota runs fine so I have to assume the battery & the little fuse box are ok. The plot thickens. |
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![]() "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... Maybe, andc maybe not. If anything else you might be able to get them at a lawnmower shop. United tech makes starters fo Kohler and a bunch of other applications. and the kit with new springs etc are cheap, or should be. Retail on the set shouldn't be over $10.00 USD. Yes, If you take the solonoid and jump the two larger posts with say, some needle-nose pliers or about anything that can cross the larger copper contact bolts the motor ought to spin and engage that is, if you knwo you have good quality power going to the solonoid switch on the battery cable side. If that all works good, then the starter is alright. I do'n't know if the Johnson/Evinrude was positive or nevative engage, though. They used both. Anyhow, lets sat it is positive engage, so cross the small switch terminal to the battery cable, and if the solnoid only 'clicks' then it could be defective, THEN cross the larger terminals and see if you can put direct power to the starter. If it runs then solenoid could be suspect. But with the info that Tom said, I'd be a bit suspicious of the button switch, and spraying it with contact cleaner may help but it's not a cure. BTW, the companie[s] I deal with... two have canadian warehouses, and should honor my account number. I haven't tried that yet. But regardless If you need something that I can supply for you, my cost is your cost. Ask Bob Puharic. If I can help further Don, send me an email Thanks Tim. Maybe I should check the local dealers for a new start button. We have a few around but did lose one to fire during the February boat show. Maybe. |
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![]() "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 5, 7:21 pm, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 11:23 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 9:18 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I'm headed out to the lake. That is, in a couple hours. The weather is gorgeous, will be about high 80's. I'll be hooking up here in a moment, while the wife is packing the cooler. All day affair, We won't be leaving until the lake until after the fireworks this evening. Plenty of fun to be had today ..... Our weather has been great the last couple of days... just after all our naval visitors left. At least we have the Queen Mary 2 visiting today. Do, you gonna take the Princecraft out for a run? I was all set to do a fleet review in it... but the two carriers left. Probably best to try fresh water this time. BTW... you might be a good guy to ask.... My starter doesn't turn at all.. even with the battery charged up to 13 volts. I get a low volume. static, crackling noise when I press the starter button. I can start the engine the old fashioned way with the pull cord... but now I'm a bit spoiled by the electric start. This is on a 25 hp Johnson 2 stroke 2003 model. Any advice? Don, if you get a 'crackling' noise at the switch, then it's no good. replace it. If you're getting a 'crackling" noise at the starter then the brushes are stuck. that starter is a United Technologies permanent magnet starter and over a course of humidity build up, there's moisture in the starter motor and the springs are probably rotted not letting the brushes contact the armature. that's a simple fix if you have access to some brush springs and/or a brush kit. Thanks Tim.. If the painters aren't pressure washing the house next door tomorrow (the side facing my driveway), I'll test the start button first...and the try to jump past the solenoid. I may have to scramble to find the brushes & springs... although they must be a common item at an Evinrude/Johnson dealership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe, andc maybe not. If anything else you might be able to get them at a lawnmower shop. United tech makes starters fo Kohler and a bunch of other applications. and the kit with new springs etc are cheap, or should be. Retail on the set shouldn't be over $10.00 USD. Yes, If you take the solonoid and jump the two larger posts with say, some needle-nose pliers or about anything that can cross the larger copper contact bolts the motor ought to spin and engage that is, if you knwo you have good quality power going to the solonoid switch on the battery cable side. If that all works good, then the starter is alright. I do'n't know if the Johnson/Evinrude was positive or nevative engage, though. They used both. Anyhow, lets sat it is positive engage, so cross the small switch terminal to the battery cable, and if the solnoid only 'clicks' then it could be defective, THEN cross the larger terminals and see if you can put direct power to the starter. If it runs then solenoid could be suspect. But with the info that Tom said, I'd be a bit suspicious of the button switch, and spraying it with contact cleaner may help but it's not a cure. BTW, the companie[s] I deal with... two have canadian warehouses, and should honor my account number. I haven't tried that yet. But regardless If you need something that I can supply for you, my cost is your cost. Ask Bob Puharic. If I can help further Don, send me an email When the pressure washer guy took his noon break, I popped out, took the cover off the boat and flipped the new bimini forward out of the way. I then removed the start button from the outboard housing and pried the rubber boot off. The two contacts and the little cupped disk that hits them when pressed did have a bit of corrosion. I used the contact cleaner and rubbed clean with a paper towel... and sprayed again. I let the excess fluid drip off and re-assembled the button. On the test, the small toothed part of the starter spun strongly, but it didn't jump up to engage the flywheel teeth. What do you think? |
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![]() "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 5, 7:21 pm, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 11:23 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 9:18 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I'm headed out to the lake. That is, in a couple hours. The weather is gorgeous, will be about high 80's. I'll be hooking up here in a moment, while the wife is packing the cooler. All day affair, We won't be leaving until the lake until after the fireworks this evening. Plenty of fun to be had today ..... Our weather has been great the last couple of days... just after all our naval visitors left. At least we have the Queen Mary 2 visiting today. Do, you gonna take the Princecraft out for a run? I was all set to do a fleet review in it... but the two carriers left. Probably best to try fresh water this time. BTW... you might be a good guy to ask.... My starter doesn't turn at all.. even with the battery charged up to 13 volts. I get a low volume. static, crackling noise when I press the starter button. I can start the engine the old fashioned way with the pull cord... but now I'm a bit spoiled by the electric start. This is on a 25 hp Johnson 2 stroke 2003 model. Any advice? Don, if you get a 'crackling' noise at the switch, then it's no good. replace it. If you're getting a 'crackling" noise at the starter then the brushes are stuck. that starter is a United Technologies permanent magnet starter and over a course of humidity build up, there's moisture in the starter motor and the springs are probably rotted not letting the brushes contact the armature. that's a simple fix if you have access to some brush springs and/or a brush kit. Thanks Tim.. If the painters aren't pressure washing the house next door tomorrow (the side facing my driveway), I'll test the start button first...and the try to jump past the solenoid. I may have to scramble to find the brushes & springs... although they must be a common item at an Evinrude/Johnson dealership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe, andc maybe not. If anything else you might be able to get them at a lawnmower shop. United tech makes starters fo Kohler and a bunch of other applications. and the kit with new springs etc are cheap, or should be. Retail on the set shouldn't be over $10.00 USD. Yes, If you take the solonoid and jump the two larger posts with say, some needle-nose pliers or about anything that can cross the larger copper contact bolts the motor ought to spin and engage that is, if you knwo you have good quality power going to the solonoid switch on the battery cable side. If that all works good, then the starter is alright. I do'n't know if the Johnson/Evinrude was positive or nevative engage, though. They used both. Anyhow, lets sat it is positive engage, so cross the small switch terminal to the battery cable, and if the solnoid only 'clicks' then it could be defective, THEN cross the larger terminals and see if you can put direct power to the starter. If it runs then solenoid could be suspect. But with the info that Tom said, I'd be a bit suspicious of the button switch, and spraying it with contact cleaner may help but it's not a cure. BTW, the companie[s] I deal with... two have canadian warehouses, and should honor my account number. I haven't tried that yet. But regardless If you need something that I can supply for you, my cost is your cost. Ask Bob Puharic. If I can help further Don, send me an email When the pressure washer guy took his noon break, I popped out, took the cover off the boat and flipped the new bimini forward out of the way. I then removed the start button from the outboard housing and pried the rubber boot off. The two contacts and the little cupped disk that hits them when pressed did have a bit of corrosion. I used the contact cleaner and rubbed clean with a paper towel... and sprayed again. I let the excess fluid drip off and re-assembled the button. On the test, the small toothed part of the starter spun strongly, but it didn't jump up to engage the flywheel teeth. What do you think? Spray some "jism" on the bendix. Wait a while. Then hit the starter with a hammer in the right spot. You don't want to shatter magnets, if present. |
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On Jul 5, 10:29*pm, "YukonBound" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message news ![]() YukonBound wrote: "Tim" wrote in message .... On Jul 3, 11:23 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 9:18 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I'm headed out to the lake. That is, in a couple hours. The weather is gorgeous, will be about high 80's. I'll be hooking up here in a moment, while the wife is packing the cooler. All day affair, We won't be leaving until the lake until after the fireworks this evening. Plenty of fun to be had today ..... Our weather has been great the last couple of days... just after all our naval visitors left. At least we have the Queen Mary 2 visiting today. Do, you gonna take the Princecraft out for a run? I was all set to do a fleet review in it... but the two carriers left. |
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YukonBound wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... Maybe, andc maybe not. If anything else you might be able to get them at a lawnmower shop. United tech makes starters fo Kohler and a bunch of other applications. and the kit with new springs etc are cheap, or should be. Retail on the set shouldn't be over $10.00 USD. Yes, If you take the solonoid and jump the two larger posts with say, some needle-nose pliers or about anything that can cross the larger copper contact bolts the motor ought to spin and engage that is, if you knwo you have good quality power going to the solonoid switch on the battery cable side. If that all works good, then the starter is alright. I do'n't know if the Johnson/Evinrude was positive or nevative engage, though. They used both. Anyhow, lets sat it is positive engage, so cross the small switch terminal to the battery cable, and if the solnoid only 'clicks' then it could be defective, THEN cross the larger terminals and see if you can put direct power to the starter. If it runs then solenoid could be suspect. But with the info that Tom said, I'd be a bit suspicious of the button switch, and spraying it with contact cleaner may help but it's not a cure. BTW, the companie[s] I deal with... two have canadian warehouses, and should honor my account number. I haven't tried that yet. But regardless If you need something that I can supply for you, my cost is your cost. Ask Bob Puharic. If I can help further Don, send me an email Thanks Tim. Maybe I should check the local dealers for a new start button. We have a few around but did lose one to fire during the February boat show. Check the rest before you spend the money on a starter button. |
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wrote in message ... wrote in message news ![]() YukonBound wrote: wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 11:23 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 9:18 am, wrote: wrote in message ... I'm headed out to the lake. That is, in a couple hours. The weather is gorgeous, will be about high 80's. I'll be hooking up here in a moment, while the wife is packing the cooler. All day affair, We won't be leaving until the lake until after the fireworks this evening. Plenty of fun to be had today ..... Our weather has been great the last couple of days... just after all our naval visitors left. At least we have the Queen Mary 2 visiting today. Do, you gonna take the Princecraft out for a run? I was all set to do a fleet review in it... but the two carriers left. Probably best to try fresh water this time. BTW... you might be a good guy to ask.... My starter doesn't turn at all.. even with the battery charged up to 13 volts. I get a low volume. static, crackling noise when I press the starter button. I can start the engine the old fashioned way with the pull cord... but now I'm a bit spoiled by the electric start. This is on a 25 hp Johnson 2 stroke 2003 model. Any advice? Don, if you get a 'crackling' noise at the switch, then it's no good. replace it. If you're getting a 'crackling" noise at the starter then the brushes are stuck. that starter is a United Technologies permanent magnet starter and over a course of humidity build up, there's moisture in the starter motor and the springs are probably rotted not letting the brushes contact the armature. that's a simple fix if you have access to some brush springs and/or a brush kit. Thanks Tim.. If the painters aren't pressure washing the house next door tomorrow (the side facing my driveway), I'll test the start button first...and the try to jump past the solenoid. I may have to scramble to find the brushes& springs... although they must be a common item at an Evinrude/Johnson dealership. Check the battery for corrosion and a good contact. That can cause the problem, too. Battery posts look like new, and I rubbed the wire leads with an abrassive. The MinnKota runs fine so I have to assume the battery& the little fuse box are ok. The plot thickens. Not really. The MinnKota will spin with far less power than the engine needs to start. |
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YukonBound wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 5, 7:21 pm, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 11:23 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jul 3, 9:18 am, "YukonBound" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I'm headed out to the lake. That is, in a couple hours. The weather is gorgeous, will be about high 80's. I'll be hooking up here in a moment, while the wife is packing the cooler. All day affair, We won't be leaving until the lake until after the fireworks this evening. Plenty of fun to be had today ..... Our weather has been great the last couple of days... just after all our naval visitors left. At least we have the Queen Mary 2 visiting today. Do, you gonna take the Princecraft out for a run? I was all set to do a fleet review in it... but the two carriers left. Probably best to try fresh water this time. BTW... you might be a good guy to ask.... My starter doesn't turn at all.. even with the battery charged up to 13 volts. I get a low volume. static, crackling noise when I press the starter button. I can start the engine the old fashioned way with the pull cord... but now I'm a bit spoiled by the electric start. This is on a 25 hp Johnson 2 stroke 2003 model. Any advice? Don, if you get a 'crackling' noise at the switch, then it's no good. replace it. If you're getting a 'crackling" noise at the starter then the brushes are stuck. that starter is a United Technologies permanent magnet starter and over a course of humidity build up, there's moisture in the starter motor and the springs are probably rotted not letting the brushes contact the armature. that's a simple fix if you have access to some brush springs and/or a brush kit. Thanks Tim.. If the painters aren't pressure washing the house next door tomorrow (the side facing my driveway), I'll test the start button first...and the try to jump past the solenoid. I may have to scramble to find the brushes & springs... although they must be a common item at an Evinrude/Johnson dealership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe, andc maybe not. If anything else you might be able to get them at a lawnmower shop. United tech makes starters fo Kohler and a bunch of other applications. and the kit with new springs etc are cheap, or should be. Retail on the set shouldn't be over $10.00 USD. Yes, If you take the solonoid and jump the two larger posts with say, some needle-nose pliers or about anything that can cross the larger copper contact bolts the motor ought to spin and engage that is, if you knwo you have good quality power going to the solonoid switch on the battery cable side. If that all works good, then the starter is alright. I do'n't know if the Johnson/Evinrude was positive or nevative engage, though. They used both. Anyhow, lets sat it is positive engage, so cross the small switch terminal to the battery cable, and if the solnoid only 'clicks' then it could be defective, THEN cross the larger terminals and see if you can put direct power to the starter. If it runs then solenoid could be suspect. But with the info that Tom said, I'd be a bit suspicious of the button switch, and spraying it with contact cleaner may help but it's not a cure. BTW, the companie[s] I deal with... two have canadian warehouses, and should honor my account number. I haven't tried that yet. But regardless If you need something that I can supply for you, my cost is your cost. Ask Bob Puharic. If I can help further Don, send me an email When the pressure washer guy took his noon break, I popped out, took the cover off the boat and flipped the new bimini forward out of the way. I then removed the start button from the outboard housing and pried the rubber boot off. The two contacts and the little cupped disk that hits them when pressed did have a bit of corrosion. I used the contact cleaner and rubbed clean with a paper towel... and sprayed again. I let the excess fluid drip off and re-assembled the button. On the test, the small toothed part of the starter spun strongly, but it didn't jump up to engage the flywheel teeth. What do you think? The bendix gear isn't engaging. Might need more power. Might need a new starter. Tim will know if it can be repaired in the field. A light tap with a small tool like some pliers might be all it needs to jump up. |
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