Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 6/26/10 11:44 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article11e91536-8ccd-4dcb-a994-0b4dd6b333f0
@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 25, 2:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jun 24, 8:19 am, I am wrote:



In articled7d0cc54-b70c-4ae3-97cc-
,
says...

On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, wrote:
"I am wrote in
l-september.org...

In article1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm,
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF

wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life
jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have
been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I
have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either
except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear
that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8
barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't
notice the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start at
the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't
get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats
mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks
need
to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on
the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough
idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4 wheeler"
I
took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a him/her
or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler"
and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? Or one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed
up
to get by and move back over? Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a
mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only, and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two
of
the interstate. That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, you must live in some weird bizarro world! Truckers here are
pretty
good, it's the "4 wheelers" who do everything you just said, rarely
truckers...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

You have 4 wheelers spilling their loads on off-ramps?

Seriously, we have two "major" ports, Savannah and Charleston, that
puts lots of trucker traffic on the roads around here. And while
there are certainly plenty of cars that exhibit some of the same
behavior, I can get around or avoid a car much easier than an 80 foot
long truck. An idiot in a 40 ton truck is *far* more dangerous than
in a 2 ton car.

Besides, mmc gave us a peek into a trucker's mind... he said he
developed an attitude that instead of trying to avoid an accident he
would just plow right through us in his truck. Nice, huh?
--------
Actually, what I said, or meant to say was that I wasn't going to die
by
driving into a bridge abutment, tree line, whatever because someone
else
made a stupid mistake. I'd do anything I could short of the above to
avoid
making contact with another vehicle, including running off the road or
tipping the truck. I think I'm as important as the dumbass on the cell
phone, reading the paper, drunk or whatever on his commute.
I'm not all truckers. I only speak for myself Jack.

Just realize that truck drivers also talk on their cell phones while
driving their 40 ton vehicles down the road, with the same results as
the 4 wheelers who do the same. I've observed it. The actions you
want to place on the 4 wheeler drives are also done by the 18 wheeler
divers... with much bigger consequences. There is no difference in
the actions of the drivers, except for the real world results incurred
by them.

The 18 wheeler drivers are supposed to be "professionals". I just
want them to act like it, and to be held to that standard.

Now, a bus full of politicians or lawyers and all bets are off!

OK.

Well, my point is with the amount of driving I do, I can't remember the
last time I went by an actual truck "wreck".. I can tell you about
dozens of 4 wheeler crashes I have gone by in the last few months since
the beginning of the race season. When you are at the wheel of that rig
all you think about is how to stop it if some idiot pulls in front of
you... Now, if you want to talk about asshole professional drivers,
garbage trucks around here are like pinballs with corners, trees, cars,
and even houses... And don't even get me started on the Busses that run
from NY and Boston to Foxwoods. Those drivers are definitely the very
worst on the road, beyond any car...


So, how many phone books do you have to sit on to see out the windshield?

So how many times have you dreamed about having sex with Barney Frank?

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"YukonBound" wrote in message
...


"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
On 6/26/10 11:44 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In article11e91536-8ccd-4dcb-a994-0b4dd6b333f0
@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 25, 2:56 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jun 24, 8:19 am, I am wrote:



In articled7d0cc54-b70c-4ae3-97cc-
,
says...

On Jun 23, 8:06 pm, wrote:
"I am wrote in
l-september.org...

In article1660a4fc-2c0c-46bd-a669-a72a65d5d112
@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jun 22, 10:34 pm,
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:29:00 -0400, W1TEF

wrote:

Even more so...

"None of the people in the fishing boat were wearing life
jackets at
time of accident."

Sad.

It is sad, and it's really not clear exactly how it could have
been
avoided other than greater vigilance/keeping out of the way. I
have
to admit that I'm not much into wearing life jackets either
except
under the most extreme circumstances, and it's not really clear
that
wearing a life jacket will save you from being run over by 8
barges
and a tug. Probably not is my guess but you never know.

They probably became distracted by their fishing and didn't
notice the
barges until too late, or perhaps their engine failed to start
at
the
critical juncture, or maybe they had an anchor own and couldn't
get
it up, etc. There are lots of possibilities I suppose but it
does
drive home the danger associated with small recreational boats
mixing
in with large commercial traffic.

One has to wonder if the tug operator suffers from the same
malady
that many of the 18 wheeler drivers do. The "I'm a 'professional'
driver, and these mere regular people in their cars and trucks
need
to
get out of my way" attitude. Rules of navigation notwithstanding,
it's on his conscience now.

Must be a local thing... Most truckdrivers here are pretty good on
the
road. They hate to crash, slows them down plenty..

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

I drove some for a couple jobs I had and after experiencing enough
idiots
cutting in front of me and hearing about truckers dying or ending
up
seriously injured rather than running (literally) over a "4
wheeler" I
took
the attitude that if a driver was stupid enough to make it a
him/her
or me
situation it was going to be him/her.

Are you one of those truckers who will run up behind a "4 wheeler"
and
sit there, tailgating, a foot or two off their bumper, knowing that
you don't have a prayer of stopping if traffic slows suddenly? Or
one
of those who switches into the left passing lane going downhill,
knowing full well an uphill is just a few hundred feet ahead, and
now
you'll just become a moving roadblock, running beside your brethren
trucker in the right lane, for the next 5 miles, unwilling to speed
up
to get by and move back over? Or the trucker that pulls out into a
two lane road with traffic approching, knowing it will take you a
mile
or two of struggling just to barely approach the speed limit, all
the
while with traffic backing up behind you?

And then you wonder why people seemingly cut in front of you? It's
because of many trucker's bad driving behavior and general lack of
driving courtesy. Besides, if you guys were such great drivers, we
wouldn't have to shut down the interstate on a nearly weekly basis
because some dumb trucker has spilled his load on one of the off-
ramps... you know, the ones that are clearly marked with a sharp
turn
sign and a low speed limit.

I believe that 18 wheelers should be limited to interstates only,
and
have to off-load their cargo to smaller trucks within a mile or two
of
the interstate. That would eliminate the severe damage they inflict
on the secondary roads, and the havoc they inflict on traffic. If
they spill their load, they personally pay for the cleanup. Cause an
accident, lose your commercial license *forever*.

I do appreciate them hauling our cargo. Just don't act like an
asshole and try to kill us while doing it!

Wow, you must live in some weird bizarro world! Truckers here are
pretty
good, it's the "4 wheelers" who do everything you just said, rarely
truckers...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

You have 4 wheelers spilling their loads on off-ramps?

Seriously, we have two "major" ports, Savannah and Charleston, that
puts lots of trucker traffic on the roads around here. And while
there are certainly plenty of cars that exhibit some of the same
behavior, I can get around or avoid a car much easier than an 80 foot
long truck. An idiot in a 40 ton truck is *far* more dangerous than
in a 2 ton car.

Besides, mmc gave us a peek into a trucker's mind... he said he
developed an attitude that instead of trying to avoid an accident he
would just plow right through us in his truck. Nice, huh?
--------
Actually, what I said, or meant to say was that I wasn't going to die
by
driving into a bridge abutment, tree line, whatever because someone
else
made a stupid mistake. I'd do anything I could short of the above to
avoid
making contact with another vehicle, including running off the road or
tipping the truck. I think I'm as important as the dumbass on the cell
phone, reading the paper, drunk or whatever on his commute.
I'm not all truckers. I only speak for myself Jack.

Just realize that truck drivers also talk on their cell phones while
driving their 40 ton vehicles down the road, with the same results as
the 4 wheelers who do the same. I've observed it. The actions you
want to place on the 4 wheeler drives are also done by the 18 wheeler
divers... with much bigger consequences. There is no difference in
the actions of the drivers, except for the real world results incurred
by them.

The 18 wheeler drivers are supposed to be "professionals". I just
want them to act like it, and to be held to that standard.

Now, a bus full of politicians or lawyers and all bets are off!

OK.

Well, my point is with the amount of driving I do, I can't remember the
last time I went by an actual truck "wreck".. I can tell you about
dozens of 4 wheeler crashes I have gone by in the last few months since
the beginning of the race season. When you are at the wheel of that rig
all you think about is how to stop it if some idiot pulls in front of
you... Now, if you want to talk about asshole professional drivers,
garbage trucks around here are like pinballs with corners, trees, cars,
and even houses... And don't even get me started on the Busses that run
from NY and Boston to Foxwoods. Those drivers are definitely the very
worst on the road, beyond any car...


So, how many phone books do you have to sit on to see out the windshield?

~~ Snerk ~~ probably uses a child's booster seat.
How many times have you dreamed about Harry having sex with Barney Frank?

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2010 11:34 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 8:59 PM, Steve B wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious
who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator
will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right',
she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being obviously
less
maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat is under
power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST warn of
it's
intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent for
election
and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a marked
right
of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the small boat if
so
marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping lane. But
if
outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to the barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may have
been
going faster than he could safely control it. For example, if the
small
boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the right and if
the
barge was going too fast for control, that is a problem with the barge
captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

What actually ARE the regs on pleasure craft anchoring in navigable
waterways and shipping lanes?

Steve

Don't know your regs and they can vary, but in Canada it is a no-no to
be
anchored or adrift in marked or mapped shipping lanes. Can't quote you
the
reg, not a legal beagle either but that is on the exams here. Lots of
right of way questions.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Actually there is no "right of way" with boats. But you cut in front of
a
1000 foot tanker and have a power failure or misjudge speeds, you have a
great chance of death. I personally have heard sail boaters say they
have
the right of way over a tanker or freighter coming under the Golden Gate
Bridge. Fishing boat caused a tanker to hit the San Raphael Bridge a
year
or two ago. Anchored in the channel. Had to pay for the damage to the
bridge piling bumper and to the ship. Luckily ship did not have much
damage. Anchored pleasure power boat fishing, is not considered not
under
power as he can turn on the engine. He is not a fishing boat per regs as
he
is not commercial and not nets or multiple lines out.


http://www.boatus.com/foundation/gui...igation_1.html


--
We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago.

And, it's in the actual NavRules document published by the Coast Guard:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/download.htm

Rule 9, 14, and Annex V

Canuck - finally proves he can read...

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"Harold" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 25/06/2010 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Harold" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.


Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.


Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of wood
just filed a police report.

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On 6/26/10 11:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/26/10 11:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlePKGdnYjTKv3sk7vRnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...
3. No one at ULLICO stole anyone's retirement funds, **** for
brains.

Was there a judicial finding regarding this or was it ULLICO that
made
the determination?



You obviously have no understanding of that situation. Retirement or
health insurance funds were not the issue. Perhaps if you have gone to
college instead of to the marines...

BTW, you still have no boat, right?


I understand the issue Harry.

No, you don't. BTW...got boat?

The union leaders tried to screw the working man and got caught.


And Harry was just caught today lying about it.
Why does he keep asking you if you have a boat?

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2010 11:34 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 8:59 PM, Steve B wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious
who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator
will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right',
she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being obviously
less
maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat is under
power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST warn of
it's
intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent for
election
and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a marked
right
of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the small boat if
so
marked as you are not to park your arse in a active shiping lane. But
if
outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to the barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may have
been
going faster than he could safely control it. For example, if the
small
boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the right and if
the
barge was going too fast for control, that is a problem with the
barge
captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

What actually ARE the regs on pleasure craft anchoring in navigable
waterways and shipping lanes?

Steve

Don't know your regs and they can vary, but in Canada it is a no-no to
be
anchored or adrift in marked or mapped shipping lanes. Can't quote you
the
reg, not a legal beagle either but that is on the exams here. Lots of
right of way questions.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Actually there is no "right of way" with boats. But you cut in front of
a
1000 foot tanker and have a power failure or misjudge speeds, you have a
great chance of death. I personally have heard sail boaters say they
have
the right of way over a tanker or freighter coming under the Golden Gate
Bridge. Fishing boat caused a tanker to hit the San Raphael Bridge a
year
or two ago. Anchored in the channel. Had to pay for the damage to the
bridge piling bumper and to the ship. Luckily ship did not have much
damage. Anchored pleasure power boat fishing, is not considered not
under
power as he can turn on the engine. He is not a fishing boat per regs
as he
is not commercial and not nets or multiple lines out.


http://www.boatus.com/foundation/gui...igation_1.html


--
We all work for government, they ceased working for us a long time ago.

And, it's in the actual NavRules document published by the Coast Guard:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/download.htm

Rule 9, 14, and Annex V

Canuck - finally proves he can read...


Tell us how your date went last night.

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On 6/26/10 11:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/26/10 11:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlePKGdnYjTKv3sk7vRnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...
3. No one at ULLICO stole anyone's retirement funds, **** for
brains.

Was there a judicial finding regarding this or was it ULLICO that
made
the determination?



You obviously have no understanding of that situation. Retirement or
health insurance funds were not the issue. Perhaps if you have gone to
college instead of to the marines...

BTW, you still have no boat, right?


I understand the issue Harry.

No, you don't. BTW...got boat?

The union leaders tried to screw the working man and got caught.


And Harry was just caught today lying about it.
Why does he keep asking you if you have a boat?

Because that's my fat buddy's way of getting out of lies. Insult and
call people names!

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Harold" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 25/06/2010 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Harold" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
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Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html


Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets...
sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's
pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.


If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small
boat is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.


English please Nombnuts


No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.


Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.


Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of
wood just filed a police report.


Newsflash!
Crazy lady in California forest reports that the wood she uses to get
head filed a police report. We think she's been eating too much tree bark.

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

"YukonBound" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On 6/26/10 11:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 6/26/10 11:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlePKGdnYjTKv3sk7vRnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...
3. No one at ULLICO stole anyone's retirement funds, **** for
brains.

Was there a judicial finding regarding this or was it ULLICO that
made
the determination?



You obviously have no understanding of that situation. Retirement
or
health insurance funds were not the issue. Perhaps if you have gone
to
college instead of to the marines...

BTW, you still have no boat, right?


I understand the issue Harry.

No, you don't. BTW...got boat?

The union leaders tried to screw the working man and got caught.


And Harry was just caught today lying about it.
Why does he keep asking you if you have a boat?

Because that's my fat buddy's way of getting out of lies. Insult and
call people names!

Be your own man...Kevin. What are you hiding from?

Tennessee Boaters Killed By Tug and Barges
 

On Jun 26, 12:30*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Harold" wrote in message

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2010 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Harold" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/06/2010 11:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
.. .
On 23/06/2010 9:10 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
. ..
On 23/06/2010 11:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:19:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On 22/06/2010 6:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
news:b2k226926nbtfsn40dkefkrjm2ge13 ...
Tragic:

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cre...-capsized.html

Terrible loss of life. Not even wearing life jackets... sad.

Darwinian actually.

It is law, if you are in a shipping lane or channel, and you
are
more
manouvable you ge tthe frac out of the way. Unless you have
diver
flags
out, then the barge would be at fault.

Would be interesting to see who they blame.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out
common
sense.

Unless there are facts we're not privy to, I think it's pretty
obvious who
has the majority of the fault. But, I suspect that the barge
operator will
take some percentage blame. Even if she was doing everything
'right', she
would still have the obligation to avoid a collision.

If you are a captain pushing a barge train, there isn't much
you can
do to avoid a collision.
9 barges at a couple million pounds each are not going to turn
on a
dime and it might take a couple miles to stop them.
About he can do is blow his horn.

In the strictest sense, it is in the details.

If the small boat was at anchor, then this gives the boater a
certian
right as they are not under power. While the barge being
obviously
less maneuverable has the right of way *provided* the small boat
is
under power.

If the boat was not under power and at anchor, the barge MUST
warn of
it's intent. It can't just blindly go down the river hell bent
for
election and blindly run it down.

Another factor is about where the boat was anchored, is it a
marked
right of way for shipping lane? This is unfavorable for the
small boat
if so marked as you are not to park your arse in a active
shiping
lane. But if outside the shipping lane, this is unfavorable to
the
barge.

We didn't get enough details on the read to say who was in fact
guilty.

Even gets more complex on what flags were out, such as a diver
flag.

Speed of the abrge is less importannt here. Other than he may
have
been going faster than he could safely control it. For example,
if the
small boat was on anchor, out of the shiping lanes it has the
right
and if the barge was going too fast for control, that is a
problem
with the barge captain.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

They were in a channel I believe. Thus, no anchoring allowed.

Of course anchorage would not be inside the shipping lane. But
there
are aften anchorages just outside of those lanes.

I will wait until we see more detail. But the families aught to
get a
good legal beegle that know the local and federal laws on this.
Could
be a juicy law suit.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Or, you're just an idiot. Occam's razor at work.

You know for one that claims for be a lawyer or legal clerk, or
tolet cleaner in a legal office, you really know ****.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common
sense.

Fortunately, that would still have me knowing more than 10 of you.

English please Nombnuts

No nuts here... certainly I don't have any and just as certainly you
don't.

Yep, we know, a she-it. *Because it can't be determined what you really
are.

--
The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense.

Fortunately, we _can_ determine what you are... an ignorant racist.

BTW, do let me know when the slapping you're getting becomes burdensome.

Are your hands sore yet. Perhaps you should do some finger exercises. It
might brighten your attitude.

Dummy... I've been using a 2 x 4 on your head so long that the piece of wood
just filed a police report.

Is that the same 2x4 that your boyfriend ties around the back of his
waist so that he doesn't fall in?