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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:42:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.

Exactly ... and the more engineers you have working on the fix the
better chance you have.

actually it's just the opposite. the more people you have working on
an engineering problem the more likely you are to argue yourself into
indecision.

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand

The only person who says BP has all the talent in the oil industry is
Tony Harward.
Rex Tillerson from Exxon points out this wouldn't have blown out in
the first place if it was properly designed. We are letting that same
team try to fix it.

and that is exactly right. do you think BP is unique? what company
DOESN"T use BOP?

the problem was in the bush/cheney abandonment of regulation of the
oil industry to the industry itself.

bpuharic

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:24:18 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:11:31 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:42:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.

Exactly ... and the more engineers you have working on the fix the
better chance you have.

actually it's just the opposite. the more people you have working on
an engineering problem the more likely you are to argue yourself into
indecision.

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand

Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

Harry[_5_]

On 6/17/10 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:14:36 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:24:18 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:11:31 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:42:12 -0400, wrote:

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.

Exactly ... and the more engineers you have working on the fix the
better chance you have.

actually it's just the opposite. the more people you have working on
an engineering problem the more likely you are to argue yourself into
indecision.

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand

Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

Assuming there isn't a spoofer here, you really need to make up your
mind. Either BP is the best of the best or they are incompetent
assholes. You have made both cases in consecutive postings.

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

Actually, no.

I don't believe the oil companies spend much money or time devising ways
to clean up their messes. In fact, during congressional hearings, it was
revealed that the disaster mitigation plans of five of the largest oil
companies were nearly identical, only nine pages long and full of
boilerplate.

I think nations should allow existing arrangements with oil companies to
expire, and any new arrangements should keep nations in control of their
resources, with the drilling companies hired as subcontractors, not
owners, of a nation's mineral wealth. In fact, doesn't norway do that now?

That oil belongs to us, not BP.

bpuharic

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:49:44 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:42:56 -0400, Harry
wrote:

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

Actually, no.

Since they are making all of this up as they go along, why would you
think that? BP is not the only company that drills oil wells.

what makes you think their engineers are dumber than exxon's?

I don't believe the oil companies spend much money or time devising ways
to clean up their messes. In fact, during congressional hearings, it was
revealed that the disaster mitigation plans of five of the largest oil
companies were nearly identical, only nine pages long and full of
boilerplate.

I imagine that is because the government guideline for what would be
in their plan was the same.

yep. cheney told 'em to do what they wanted

That is how it works now. They get to drill under a license from the
government. Theoretically the government monitors the drilling but
they are not competent to do it.
All I have to say about the government actually managing these things
is the space shuttle.
40% failure rate of the fleet with total loss of life in each failure.
(2 out of the 5 that ever flew, came apart in the air)

tell it to toyota. how long were they making cars?

bpuharic

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 22:34:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:34:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:49:44 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:42:56 -0400, Harry
wrote:

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

Actually, no.

Since they are making all of this up as they go along, why would you
think that? BP is not the only company that drills oil wells.

what makes you think their engineers are dumber than exxon's?

Dumber? no but that doesn't mean they all have the same ideas.

ideas are generally marginal...incremental. there's no revolution in
cleaning up an oil spill

yep. cheney told 'em to do what they wanted

I bet these plans are 40 years old with numerous revisions along the
way. It will still be written to the government standard.

yep.

That is how it works now. They get to drill under a license from the
government. Theoretically the government monitors the drilling but
they are not competent to do it.
All I have to say about the government actually managing these things
is the space shuttle.
40% failure rate of the fleet with total loss of life in each failure.
(2 out of the 5 that ever flew, came apart in the air)

tell it to toyota. how long were they making cars?

Does the government own Toyota? What's your point.?
It is certainly not that 40% of the Toyotas ever made crashed.

private enterprise isn't better than govt. they both have failure

bpuharic

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:29:48 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:14:36 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand

Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

Assuming there isn't a spoofer here, you really need to make up your
mind. Either BP is the best of the best or they are incompetent
assholes. You have made both cases in consecutive postings.

right now they are the only game in town. BEFORE this event they were
crminals and behaved with disregard for safety. NOW they're paying
through the ass so it's in their best interests to get it capped

you dont understand engineering

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

nope. technology is technology.

Harry[_5_]

On 6/17/10 4:33 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:29:48 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:14:36 -0400, wrote:

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand

Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

Assuming there isn't a spoofer here, you really need to make up your
mind. Either BP is the best of the best or they are incompetent
assholes. You have made both cases in consecutive postings.

right now they are the only game in town. BEFORE this event they were
crminals and behaved with disregard for safety. NOW they're paying
through the ass so it's in their best interests to get it capped

you dont understand engineering

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

nope. technology is technology.

If "anyone from the other oil companies" has something better...

....where is it?

nom=de=plume[_2_]

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:33:05 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

right now they are the only game in town. BEFORE this event they were
crminals and behaved with disregard for safety. NOW they're paying
through the ass so it's in their best interests to get it capped

you dont understand engineering

I do understand this is now a 1500 mile disaster with different
challenges at every pass. They can certainly use more than a few
engineers.
Even at the well head, why wouldn't ideas from other companies that
were not brought up in the BP culture be helpful.
I do know a little about engineering and I can guarantee, engineers
tend to feed off each other and develop a monolithic way of thinking.
IBM used to ship a project to another location when they got stuck,
just to get another view point on the problems.

Good God. You're spot on right about engineers!! lol

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