On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400, Harry
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.

cheney let them save $500K! big bux to an oil company! cheney gutted
the regulations. big bux to an oil company


You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.

you righties keep bleating that obama should take his petroleum
engineering degree to the gulf to help out BP since it has no
experience in drilling.

On 16/06/2010 6:42 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400,
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.

cheney let them save $500K! big bux to an oil company! cheney gutted
the regulations. big bux to an oil company


You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.

you righties keep bleating that obama should take his petroleum
engineering degree to the gulf to help out BP since it has no
experience in drilling.

No. But it would not hurt if he shut his big mouth and listened to some
professionals in the business. Ones without an axe to grind like the
American poluter Exxon.

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:42:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.


Exactly ... and the more engineers you have working on the fix the
better chance you have.

actually it's just the opposite. the more people you have working on
an engineering problem the more likely you are to argue yourself into
indecision.

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand



The only person who says BP has all the talent in the oil industry is
Tony Harward.
Rex Tillerson from Exxon points out this wouldn't have blown out in
the first place if it was properly designed. We are letting that same
team try to fix it.

and that is exactly right. do you think BP is unique? what company
DOESN"T use BOP?

the problem was in the bush/cheney abandonment of regulation of the
oil industry to the industry itself.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:24:18 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:11:31 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:42:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.


Exactly ... and the more engineers you have working on the fix the
better chance you have.

actually it's just the opposite. the more people you have working on
an engineering problem the more likely you are to argue yourself into
indecision.

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand


Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

On 6/17/10 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:14:36 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:24:18 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:11:31 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:42:12 -0400, wrote:

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.

anybody know what this means? what 'coalition' is necessary? this is
an engineering problem.


Exactly ... and the more engineers you have working on the fix the
better chance you have.

actually it's just the opposite. the more people you have working on
an engineering problem the more likely you are to argue yourself into
indecision.

you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand


Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

Assuming there isn't a spoofer here, you really need to make up your
mind. Either BP is the best of the best or they are incompetent
assholes. You have made both cases in consecutive postings.

You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

Actually, no.

I don't believe the oil companies spend much money or time devising ways
to clean up their messes. In fact, during congressional hearings, it was
revealed that the disaster mitigation plans of five of the largest oil
companies were nearly identical, only nine pages long and full of
boilerplate.

I think nations should allow existing arrangements with oil companies to
expire, and any new arrangements should keep nations in control of their
resources, with the drilling companies hired as subcontractors, not
owners, of a nation's mineral wealth. In fact, doesn't norway do that now?

That oil belongs to us, not BP.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:29:48 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:14:36 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


you need the RIGHT people, not MORE people. that's what you don't
understand


Again, who besides Tony Hayward says BP has the right people?

fine. you go find more experienced engineers. then let BP know about
'em.

Assuming there isn't a spoofer here, you really need to make up your
mind. Either BP is the best of the best or they are incompetent
assholes. You have made both cases in consecutive postings.

right now they are the only game in town. BEFORE this event they were
crminals and behaved with disregard for safety. NOW they're paying
through the ass so it's in their best interests to get it capped

you dont understand engineering


You really don't think anyone from the other oil companies has thought
of something better?

nope. technology is technology.

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400, Harry
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.
I thought about it and I think this is where Clinton and his brothers
the Bushes should step in like they did in Haiti and help out.

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk
about at parties
You want Dick on that well
You need Dick on that well".


Besides, who says BP caused it. This could well have been a Democrat inspired
ploy to get Obama's energy bills passed.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400, Harry
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.
I thought about it and I think this is where Clinton and his brothers
the Bushes should step in like they did in Haiti and help out.

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk
about at parties
You want Dick on that well
You need Dick on that well".


Besides, who says BP caused it. This could well have been a Democrat
inspired
ploy to get Obama's energy bills passed.

You're still wearing your aluminum hat right? Don't take it off, even if you
decide to take a shower some day!

On 17/06/2010 9:01 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:22:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:12:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400,
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this wel

since they CAUSED the leak what makes you think they'd want to plug
it?

Because they are losing money.
I thought about it and I think this is where Clinton and his brothers
the Bushes should step in like they did in Haiti and help out.

You may not like it but someone in the business has a better chance in
building a coalition of all the oil companies to fix this than an
outsider.
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk
about at parties
You want Dick on that well
You need Dick on that well".


Besides, who says BP caused it. This could well have been a Democrat inspired
ploy to get Obama's energy bills passed.

Who knows. RIP (NYSE) owned and operated the rig on BPs behalf. Going
to be a huge lawsuit there. Bet the maggot lawers are already polishing
the knives.


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Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom.

wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400, Harry
wrote:

And if Bush and Cheney, the oil guys, were still in charge?

I am not interested in too much finger pointing but I will say, If
Bush/Cheney were in charge they would have had the best people in the
oil business working together to plug this well on the first day.
I suspect Obama is still not getting that level of cooperation from
people he has demonized for 2 years.


Come on! Obama had people onsite the next day. The "best people" are,
according to all reports, BP techs. They have the most experience.

If B/C were in charge, Bush would be flying around the country afraid to
land, and Cheney would be holed up in his undisclosed location clinking
glasses with his oil buddy execs.

Obama hasn't demonized anyone, at least not anyone who didn't deserve it.
Please cite your claim otherwise.