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diesel engine use with no battery
I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running,
then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
diesel engine use with no battery
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. |
diesel engine use with no battery
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume |
diesel engine use with no battery
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:43:02 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. It's not that simple. Motors have brains now and that brain often controls both fuel, spark and timing -- and needs to be powered. If your diesel was a throwback of many decades, you'd be right. |
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On Apr 28, 12:19*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. *Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I take it you are too daft to understand that Bill is correct and that you throw the word "idiot" around too loosly? However, to give you the benefit of the doubt, If the engine is small and primitive enough in design, this was of a standard norm. One would first trigger the compression release, and crank-spin the crankshaft vigorously, then trip the compression release and it should run. But modern designed diesels are equipped with computerized, electronic fuel injection and do require electricity to operate the injection controls. |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:43:02 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. It's not that simple. Motors have brains now and that brain often controls both fuel, spark and timing -- and needs to be powered. If your diesel was a throwback of many decades, you'd be right. Interesting. No spark though on the diesel required or has that changed as well? So, it wouldn't be possible to hand start it, but would it keep running? Seems like it would be capable of generating it's own electricity, much like a car engine charges the battery via the alternator. How many amps/volts would be needed to retain its ability to control fuel, timing, etc? Seems like it wouldn't require the same amperage that a starting battery is capable of, so wouldn't a small, dedicated "engine function" battery suffice? Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic... :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
diesel engine use with no battery
"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Apr 28, 12:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I take it you are too daft to understand that Bill is correct and that you throw the word "idiot" around too loosly? Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any case, he didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so brilliant, but obviously idiot is apropos. However, to give you the benefit of the doubt, If the engine is small and primitive enough in design, this was of a standard norm. One would first trigger the compression release, and crank-spin the crankshaft vigorously, then trip the compression release and it should run. Yes, I read about the compression gate. But modern designed diesels are equipped with computerized, electronic fuel injection and do require electricity to operate the injection controls. See my response on this to jps. Thanks for being marginally civil. -- Nom=de=Plume |
diesel engine use with no battery
On Apr 28, 1:19*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. *Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? |
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On Apr 27, 10:43*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume Older diesels do not need any electricity once they have been started. They make battery eliminators for small engines that can be started mechanically by other means. The battery eliminator prevents the charging system from going over voltage without a battery as a load. Small motorbikes, lawn tractors, etc can be converted if they have a mechanical cranking alternative. It's only practical to start very small engines without some means of mechnically assisted cranking. So if you're talking about a small generator or something similar that has a simple diesel engine then what you suggest may be practical. I don't think you are going to find yourself in a situation where a battery has gone from working to failed, and the charging system is still working, and the engine is still running from it's initial startup. Diesel or gas. And you are not going to hand crank any diesel capable of moving a boat. So your questions, while possibly interesting theoretically, have no practical application. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On Apr 27, 9:43*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume One thing you need to be sure of is that there's a provision that you can do so. Most small diesels that I'm familiar with are electric start only. But i'm not that familiar with all the diesels in a marine aplication, though. |
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On 4/28/10 9:31 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 27, 9:43 pm, wrote: I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume One thing you need to be sure of is that there's a provision that you can do so. Most small diesels that I'm familiar with are electric start only. But i'm not that familiar with all the diesels in a marine aplication, though. In the good old days, outboard motors up to about 50 hp had pull-start capabilities, either because of a pull-cord built into the motor, or a place to use your own pull-cord under the motor's hood. The 50 hp motors had a compression release mechanism. I've not seen a diesel with a pull-cord feature. Doesn't mean they don't exist. Even a small diesel on a sailboat would be hard to start by hand, both because of the compression and because there might not be enough room where the engine is installed to get enough leverage with whatever hand device you are trying to use to start it to actually make the hand device work. Seems to me if one is worried about the ability of a battery to crank the electric starter motor on a diesel, the solution (in addition to proper battery maintenance) is to have more than one battery available to the starter. Or...how about a compressed air starter system... :) -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic... :) And neither are those who give you half-assed answers. Yanmar still sells a 10 horse with hand cranking. Bigger engines usually aren't hand cranked because it's just too hard to do, but you can get this http://www.springstarter.com/application_guide.asp Starts bigger diesels than you'll normally have in a boat. If it has a compression release, it can normally be spun up to start without a battery. But if it needs juice for any controls, you'll need the juice. Just have to know what you're getting. They call that specificity. It usually works. Jim - Just trying to bring some sense into a useless exchange of non-ideas. |
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On Apr 28, 9:13*am, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:26:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:43:02 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. It's not that simple. *Motors have brains now and that brain often controls both fuel, spark and timing -- and needs to be powered. If your diesel was a throwback of many decades, you'd be right. Interesting. No spark though on the diesel required or has that changed as well? So, it wouldn't be possible to hand start it, but would it keep running? Seems like it would be capable of generating it's own electricity, much like a car engine charges the battery via the alternator. How many amps/volts would be needed to retain its ability to control fuel, timing, etc? Seems like it wouldn't require the same amperage that a starting battery is capable of, so wouldn't a small, dedicated "engine function" battery suffice? Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic... :) Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the field, something I found out when I built thishttp://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg Hence the little Gel Cell. Now back in the olden days when motor cycles had generators they did build choppers with no battery, usually based on Triumphs, that only had a tomato paste can sized capacitor stuffed in there somewhere to hold enough power to get it going.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But the usually did that on the Brit bikes because the Lucas charging system was too unreliable. The old saying about Joseph Lucas LTD was true. They didn't call him the 'Prince of Darkness' for nothing. |
diesel engine use with no battery
I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume Depends on the diesel. When I was a commercial diver, we had Lister single piston diesel engines for dive air compressors. We hand cranked them, and there was not one wire on them. Boy, the new three cylinder Perkins with the air start were a sweet change! But I have started that Perkins by hand more than twice. Just get up enough rpm before you throw the lever. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for book A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult. |
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On Apr 28, 9:38*am, hk wrote:
On 4/28/10 9:31 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 27, 9:43 pm, *wrote: I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume One thing you need to be sure of is that there's a provision that you can do so. Most small diesels that I'm familiar with are electric start only. But i'm not that familiar with all the diesels in a marine aplication, though. In the good old days, outboard motors up to about 50 hp had pull-start capabilities, either because of a pull-cord built into the motor, or a place to use your own pull-cord under the motor's hood. The 50 hp motors had a compression release mechanism. I've not seen a diesel with a pull-cord feature. Doesn't mean they don't exist. Even a small diesel on a sailboat would be hard to start by hand, both because of the compression and because there might not be enough room where the engine is installed to get enough leverage with whatever hand device you are trying to use to start it to actually make the hand device work. Seems to me if one is worried about the ability of a battery to crank the electric starter motor on a diesel, the solution (in addition to proper battery maintenance) is to have more than one battery available to the starter. Or...how about a compressed air starter system... *:) -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think you better talk to your mechanical engineering breathren alittle. First "up to 50 hp." had a provision for a rope start is horse****. My 1974 135hp Evinrude had notches in the flywheel just for that purpose. And it actually wasn't too bad to start that way. If it were clapped out and tired you'd play hell, but if it would start in a couple of pulls, it's okay. I did it just to see if I could. There's many, many, many compressed air starters out there in all sorts of applications including semis. |
diesel engine use with no battery
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
... On Apr 28, 1:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic... :) And neither are those who give you half-assed answers. Yanmar still sells a 10 horse with hand cranking. Bigger engines usually aren't hand cranked because it's just too hard to do, but you can get this http://www.springstarter.com/application_guide.asp Starts bigger diesels than you'll normally have in a boat. If it has a compression release, it can normally be spun up to start without a battery. But if it needs juice for any controls, you'll need the juice. Just have to know what you're getting. They call that specificity. It usually works. Jim - Just trying to bring some sense into a useless exchange of non-ideas. Interesting... thanks for the link! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
... On Apr 27, 10:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume Older diesels do not need any electricity once they have been started. They make battery eliminators for small engines that can be started mechanically by other means. The battery eliminator prevents the charging system from going over voltage without a battery as a load. Small motorbikes, lawn tractors, etc can be converted if they have a mechanical cranking alternative. It's only practical to start very small engines without some means of mechnically assisted cranking. So if you're talking about a small generator or something similar that has a simple diesel engine then what you suggest may be practical. I don't think you are going to find yourself in a situation where a battery has gone from working to failed, and the charging system is still working, and the engine is still running from it's initial startup. Diesel or gas. And you are not going to hand crank any diesel capable of moving a boat. So your questions, while possibly interesting theoretically, have no practical application. Reply: Thanks for the information... clarified it well. I was just curious. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Apr 28, 1:39*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message om... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked. Bill told you exactly the same thing as jps, he just used less words to express the same thoughts. You reacted differently. There's your "hatred". Oh, and you never asked any questions in your post, you simply made some statements of your understanding after having read a wiki. A question would be something like... Am I correct? Do they work like this? There isn't a single question mark in your post, or even a sentence formed as a question. Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking. |
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? She lives for confrontation. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any case, he didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so brilliant, but obviously idiot is apropos. Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you call them idiots. Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you. I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment. Go away and reconsider. You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has enough to go around. |
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On Apr 28, 8:00*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:54:07 -0400, Larry wrote: wrote: Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the field, something I found out when I built this http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg Hence the little Gel Cell. Now back in the olden days when motor cycles had generators they did build choppers with no battery, usually based on Triumphs, that only had a tomato paste can sized capacitor stuffed in there somewhere to hold enough power to get it going. Looks like a pressure washer turned into a generator? Yup, the Honda engine far outlasted the Cat pump. It is still a "first pull" engine. Howie is right, that is something GM can't compete with. Both my sailboats original Yanmar 1GM 6.5 hp diesel and its 13 hp 2 cylinder 2GM replacement have a crank that fits on the crankshaft that supposedly allows hand cranking. I have tried to do so by relieving the compression but she stops dead when the compression starts. It is possible that the cranki ng position is too awkward to get good leverage because it seems it ought to work. I do know that old Lister diesels could be started by turning the flywheel by hand, no battery required at all nor alternator. These diesels are still available as stationary engines for generators and will run on nearly any oil including cooking oil and even turpentine. I have heard of people getting used engine oil and running the Listers on it. Many old commercial fishing boats used Lister diesels and had no batteries. |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:38:39 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking. All the above. Bill answered your question correctly. You didn't understand what he said. Straighten up and fly right or go away. |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:26:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic... :) I think you've made that perfectly clear. Now you need to develop some listening skills. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any case, he didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so brilliant, but obviously idiot is apropos. Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you call them idiots. Poor you. Sorry Wayne, but I'm allowed to ask questions. If you don't like that, you can go suck an egg. Or, you can ignore me. Frankly, your attitude is bizarre. I asked a legitimate and intelligent question, and you and a couple of other people answered it. Even Topper mostly answered it. Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you. I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment. Not my problem. Sounds like yours. Go away and reconsider. You go away. I'm here. Too bad if you don't like it. You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has enough to go around. Poor baby. |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Apr 28, 1:39 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message om... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked. Bill told you exactly the same thing as jps, he just used less words to express the same thoughts. You reacted differently. There's your "hatred". Oh, and you never asked any questions in your post, you simply made some statements of your understanding after having read a wiki. A question would be something like... Am I correct? Do they work like this? There isn't a single question mark in your post, or even a sentence formed as a question. Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking. Reply: He didn't. He didn't answer the second part. If you're unable to figure out there was an implied question and he did and attempted to answer it, your statement is what's lacking in brain power. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? She lives for confrontation. And, you're brain dead! |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:13:54 -0400, wrote:
Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the field, something I found out when I built this http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg Hence the little Gel Cell. It turns out that almost all alternators have a little residual magnetism and if you just spin them fast enough they will start generating. If not you get double your money back. :-) |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:36:49 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:28:32 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:08:15 -0700, jps wrote: Yeah, glow plugs... I read somewhere that you can heat them with a blow torch, but I think I'll stick with the "modern" engine versions. I'm sure that's true -- in the right environment and as a measure of last resort. Sort of like that trick where they use WD40 and a match to remount tires on rims. Heh. Yes, check back later to see if you still have any eye brows or skin on your nose. I think it is supposed to be starter fluid http://gfretwell.com/humor/Howtoinflateatire.wmv Lots prefer WD40 for its properties of accellerant and lubricant. Sounds dirty. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/29/10 1:34 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:33:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:43:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: you are not going to hand crank any diesel capable of moving a boat. Totally incorrect. It depends. I didn't write that... so, you're just ranting now. You're wrong, so long. We tried, and failed. You're a troll, and not very good. Don't buy a boat, 'cause it won't float. Yet again... you said you were going to plonk me, yet you didn't. Hmm.... Not very good at poetry either.. W'hine is a self-righteous asshole...'nuff said. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On Apr 28, 10:33*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:26:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Ok, I'm no diesel mechanic... :) I think you've made that perfectly clear. *Now you need to develop some listening skills. Make me big boy... Doubt you can. So now ,D'Plume...you openly confess that you can not reason and will refuse to make attempts to do so. And you call others *idiot?* |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/28/2010 11:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any case, he didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so brilliant, but obviously idiot is apropos. Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you call them idiots. Poor you. Sorry Wayne, but I'm allowed to ask questions. If you don't like that, you can go suck an egg. Or, you can ignore me. Frankly, your attitude is bizarre. I asked a legitimate and intelligent question, and you and a couple of other people answered it. Even Topper mostly answered it. Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you. I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment. Not my problem. Sounds like yours. Go away and reconsider. You go away. I'm here. Too bad if you don't like it. You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has enough to go around. Poor baby. What's this "poor baby" ****. You have too much time on your hands. Go knit a quilt or play with your dolls or something. Leave us alone. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/28/2010 11:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:39 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked. Bill told you exactly the same thing as jps, he just used less words to express the same thoughts. You reacted differently. There's your "hatred". Oh, and you never asked any questions in your post, you simply made some statements of your understanding after having read a wiki. A question would be something like... Am I correct? Do they work like this? There isn't a single question mark in your post, or even a sentence formed as a question. Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking. Reply: He didn't. He didn't answer the second part. If you're unable to figure out there was an implied question and he did and attempted to answer it, your statement is what's lacking in brain power. What's this "reply:" ****? Fix your news reader. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/28/2010 11:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? She lives for confrontation. And, you're brain dead! And you are argueing with him. What does that make you? |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/29/2010 1:31 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 11:03 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:39 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked. Bill told you exactly the same thing as jps, he just used less words to express the same thoughts. You reacted differently. There's your "hatred". Oh, and you never asked any questions in your post, you simply made some statements of your understanding after having read a wiki. A question would be something like... Am I correct? Do they work like this? There isn't a single question mark in your post, or even a sentence formed as a question. Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking. Reply: He didn't. He didn't answer the second part. If you're unable to figure out there was an implied question and he did and attempted to answer it, your statement is what's lacking in brain power. Bill's reply first, then jps... In the old days you could do just that. = If your diesel was a throwback of many decades, you'd be right. *The same.* Any modern diesel has electronic controls. = Motors have brains now and that brain often controls both fuel, spark and timing -- and needs to be powered. *The same.* Electronic controls, by definition, must be powered to function. Bill just didn't dumb down his response enough for *you*. He obviously over-estimated you. Reply: Obviously, you're just as much of a jerk as you've always been. Why don't you plonk me. You'll feel better about yourself. "reply:"? Is your news reader broken or haven't you learned how to use it yet? Go bake some cookies. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/29/2010 1:31 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message ... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to keep running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able to start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage. So, in the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and shorted out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation if the battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start it. -- Nom=de=Plume In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has electronic controls. I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention recently that you're an idiot? -- Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred? No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked. -- Nom=de=Plume As wayne so stated Plonk. I'm betting you're lying.. again. Do you take your boots off when having sex? |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/29/2010 1:32 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 10:32 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:13:54 -0400, wrote: Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the field, something I found out when I built this http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg Hence the little Gel Cell. It turns out that almost all alternators have a little residual magnetism and if you just spin them fast enough they will start generating. If not you get double your money back. :-) So Wayne... it looks like you just contradicted yourself. Some brianiac you turned out to be. No he didn't. however I'll clarify that most alternators equipped with a 'self exciting' voltage regulator wether stator excited or diod- trio induced, do work off of rotor residual magnetism. He should know, he has four of them on board, and is about to have a 5th one. Reply: I've been wrong before. No. Really? |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/29/2010 1:33 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Steve wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:13:54 -0400, wrote: Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the field, something I found out when I built this http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg Hence the little Gel Cell. It turns out that almost all alternators have a little residual magnetism and if you just spin them fast enough they will start generating. If not you get double your money back. :-) But does it generate enough current to get the diesel spark needed to get it started? Steve ;-) Steve, I'm sorry, but I started this thread, so I'm sure someone else will take credit for it. :) We want you to get all the credit you're due. Idiot. |
diesel engine use with no battery
On 4/29/2010 6:32 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/29/10 1:34 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:33:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:43:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: you are not going to hand crank any diesel capable of moving a boat. Totally incorrect. It depends. I didn't write that... so, you're just ranting now. You're wrong, so long. We tried, and failed. You're a troll, and not very good. Don't buy a boat, 'cause it won't float. Yet again... you said you were going to plonk me, yet you didn't. Hmm.... Not very good at poetry either.. W'hine is a self-righteous asshole...'nuff said. That doesn't rhyme. She wants poetry. Let's see what you can really do. You will be graded. |
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