diesel engine use with no battery
 

On Apr 28, 11:34*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:25:46 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote:

I think you better talk to your mechanical engineering breathren
alittle. First "up to 50 hp." had a provision for a rope start is
horse****.

Yes it is. * The small boatengineof choice in the Caribbean is
something called a Yamaha Enduro 75.

http://www.alibaba.com/product/id108896134-108366375-0/Yamaha_2_Strok....

They are all over the place, typically tiller steered and manual
start. *Most of the boats they are on do not even have a battery.

I have pull started my old Yamaha/Mariner 75 *a number of times. (we
didn't boat that much in those days). If it wouldn't start right away
I would pull it instead of killing the battery.
I also started my current EFI 4 stroke 60 but it wouldn't run with a
bad (open cell) battery. The computer saw an immediate overvoltage and
shut down. The gauge was pegged. Turning on the lights didn't help
much. I was hooking up my Q beam when a neighbor came by and offered
me a tow. I am still curious if it would have worked.

It was easy to pull through tho, as was the 75.

225 hp. V-6 Evinrudes didn't pull start very well. I gave one all I
had and it hit compression and it was an imediate dead stop, and
pulled the rope handle right out of my hands. OUCH!

I noticed that my 85 hp v-4 sea horse doesn't even have a rope start
style flywheel or rope provision under the hood.


Probably for the better.

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:55:14 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote:

On 4/29/2010 12:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 4/28/2010 11:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any
case,
he
didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so
brilliant,
but obviously idiot is apropos.

Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing
very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you
call them idiots.

Poor you. Sorry Wayne, but I'm allowed to ask questions. If you don't
like
that, you can go suck an egg. Or, you can ignore me. Frankly, your
attitude
is bizarre. I asked a legitimate and intelligent question, and you and a
couple of other people answered it. Even Topper mostly answered it.

Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you.

I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment.

Not my problem. Sounds like yours.

Go away and reconsider.

You go away. I'm here. Too bad if you don't like it.

You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined
with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has
enough to go around.

Poor baby.


What's this "poor baby" ****. You have too much time on your hands. Go
knit a quilt or play with your dolls or something. Leave us alone.


You sound like an angry child... leave me alone, leave me alone... well,
take your marbles, if you have any, and leave.


In your dreams.

You folks are unreal. This woman (?) has made over 5700 posts since she's been
here ( http://tinyurl.com/29qxx2p ), and most of them have been answered.
Probably half the answers have told her what a troll or moron she was, yet folks
continue to put up with her.

Infantile fascination, or what?

BTW, she's changed her email addy so Google now profiles her differently. She
did manage to escape a filter, for a minute or two.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

diesel engine use with no battery
 

On 4/29/10 3:20 PM, John H wrote:

You folks are unreal. This woman (?) has made over 5700 posts since she's been
here ( http://tinyurl.com/29qxx2p ), and most of them have been answered.
Probably half the answers have told her what a troll or moron she was, yet folks
continue to put up with her.

Infantile fascination, or what?

BTW, she's changed her email addy so Google now profiles her differently. She
did manage to escape a filter, for a minute or two.
--
John H

You seem to be here only to insult other posters, and pimp the various
medical ailments plaguing your family.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

diesel engine use with no battery
 

"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 12:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 4/28/2010 11:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any
case,
he
didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so
brilliant,
but obviously idiot is apropos.

Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously knowing
very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you
call them idiots.

Poor you. Sorry Wayne, but I'm allowed to ask questions. If you don't
like
that, you can go suck an egg. Or, you can ignore me. Frankly, your
attitude
is bizarre. I asked a legitimate and intelligent question, and you and
a
couple of other people answered it. Even Topper mostly answered it.

Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you.

I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment.

Not my problem. Sounds like yours.

Go away and reconsider.

You go away. I'm here. Too bad if you don't like it.

You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined
with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has
enough to go around.

Poor baby.


What's this "poor baby" ****. You have too much time on your hands. Go
knit a quilt or play with your dolls or something. Leave us alone.


You sound like an angry child... leave me alone, leave me alone... well,
take your marbles, if you have any, and leave.


In your dreams.


Apparently in your dreams you have marbles. In reality, you have no balls.
LOL

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"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:55:14 -0400, anon-e-moose

wrote:

On 4/29/2010 12:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 4/28/2010 11:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:33:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Firstly, I didn't specifically mention "modern" diesels, but in any
case,
he
didn't address the other part of the question. He's claims he so
brilliant,
but obviously idiot is apropos.

Frankly your attitude is deplorable. You come here, obviously
knowing
very little, reasonable people offer you reasonable answers, and you
call them idiots.

Poor you. Sorry Wayne, but I'm allowed to ask questions. If you don't
like
that, you can go suck an egg. Or, you can ignore me. Frankly, your
attitude
is bizarre. I asked a legitimate and intelligent question, and you and
a
couple of other people answered it. Even Topper mostly answered it.

Give me a few good reasons why we should waste further time with you.

I ask this because I can't think of any at the moment.

Not my problem. Sounds like yours.

Go away and reconsider.

You go away. I'm here. Too bad if you don't like it.

You are either trolling or have a total lack of knowledge combined
with a personality disorder. If the latter, this group already has
enough to go around.

Poor baby.


What's this "poor baby" ****. You have too much time on your hands. Go
knit a quilt or play with your dolls or something. Leave us alone.


You sound like an angry child... leave me alone, leave me alone... well,
take your marbles, if you have any, and leave.


In your dreams.

You folks are unreal. This woman (?) has made over 5700 posts since she's
been
here ( http://tinyurl.com/29qxx2p ), and most of them have been answered.
Probably half the answers have told her what a troll or moron she was, yet
folks
continue to put up with her.

Infantile fascination, or what?

BTW, she's changed her email addy so Google now profiles her differently.
She
did manage to escape a filter, for a minute or two.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


Huh? Oh, my email... well, that's my email. I don't know what I had before,
but my OL got corrupted. Sorry if you're having problems with your filters.
I endeavor not to morph.

Just wondering... how many people have called you a moron or an idiot? I
think you win.

diesel engine use with no battery
 

"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/29/10 3:20 PM, John H wrote:

You folks are unreal. This woman (?) has made over 5700 posts since she's
been
here ( http://tinyurl.com/29qxx2p ), and most of them have been answered.
Probably half the answers have told her what a troll or moron she was,
yet folks
continue to put up with her.

Infantile fascination, or what?

BTW, she's changed her email addy so Google now profiles her differently.
She
did manage to escape a filter, for a minute or two.
--
John H

You seem to be here only to insult other posters, and pimp the various
medical ailments plaguing your family.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.


Well, to be fair, I've certainly called John a moron/idiot, and I've called
other people jerks, etc. My bad.

diesel engine use with no battery
 

"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 12:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 4/29/2010 1:31 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Apr 28, 11:03 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

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On Apr 28, 1:39 pm, wrote:





wrote in message

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On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote:

"Bill wrote in message

m...

wrote in message
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I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is
running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to
keep
running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able
to
start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage.
So,
in
the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and
shorted
out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation
if
the
battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start
it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has
electronic
controls.

I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention
recently
that you're an idiot?

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred?

No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked.

Bill told you exactly the same thing as jps, he just used less words
to express the same thoughts. You reacted differently. There's your
"hatred".

Oh, and you never asked any questions in your post, you simply made
some statements of your understanding after having read a wiki. A
question would be something like... Am I correct? Do they work like
this? There isn't a single question mark in your post, or even a
sentence formed as a question.

Your conversational and social skills are sorely lacking.

Reply: He didn't. He didn't answer the second part. If you're unable
to
figure out there was an implied question and he did and attempted to
answer
it, your statement is what's lacking in brain power.

Bill's reply first, then jps...

In the old days you could do just that. = If your diesel was a
throwback of many decades, you'd be right.
*The same.*

Any modern diesel has electronic controls. = Motors have brains now
and that brain often controls both fuel, spark and timing -- and needs
to be powered.
*The same.*

Electronic controls, by definition, must be powered to function. Bill
just didn't dumb down his response enough for *you*. He obviously
over-estimated you.


Reply: Obviously, you're just as much of a jerk as you've always been.
Why
don't you plonk me. You'll feel better about yourself.



"reply:"? Is your news reader broken or haven't you learned how to use
it
yet? Go bake some cookies.


Poor baby!


Gee. I would think a lawyer could do better.


You think??!! Shocker.

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 12:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 1:31 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
wrote in message
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On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote:
"Bill wrote in message

m...







wrote in message
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I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is
running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to
keep
running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able
to
start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage.
So,
in
the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and
shorted
out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation
if
the
battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start
it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has
electronic
controls.

I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention
recently
that you're an idiot?

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred?


No hatred, and no he didn't answer the questions I asked.

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Nom=de=Plume


As wayne so stated Plonk.



I'm betting you're lying.. again.


Do you take your boots off when having sex?


Do you perform or do you just whine?


You leave them on. I thought so.


I'm betting that's what you prefer.

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 12:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 4/28/2010 11:03 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:19 am, wrote:

"Bill wrote in message

m...








wrote in message
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I read the wiki on diesels, and I think I read that if a diesel is
running, then it doesn't need a spark (e.g., battery energy) to
keep
running. If that's the case, then it seems like you should be able
to
start a diesel by hand, assuming you have the muscle or leverage.
So,
in
the former case, even if your battery died - perhaps got wet and
shorted
out - then the engine would keep running. In the latter situation
if
the
battery was already dead, you might be able to crank it to start
it.


--
Nom=de=Plume


In the old days you could do just that. Any modern diesel has
electronic
controls.

I guess you're unable to understand what I wrote. Did I mention
recently
that you're an idiot?

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Nom=de=Plume- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bill answered your post correctly. Why the hatred?

She lives for confrontation.

And, you're brain dead!


And you are argueing with him. What does that make you?


Entertained!


Thought so.


Thought?? You?? Doubtful.

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 12:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 4/29/2010 1:33 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:13:54 -0400, wrote:

Even a car with an alternator needs some little bit of battery power
to get going. The alternator will not put out until you excite the
field, something I found out when I built this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg
Hence the little Gel Cell.

It turns out that almost all alternators have a little residual
magnetism and if you just spin them fast enough they will start
generating.

If not you get double your money back. :-)

But does it generate enough current to get the diesel spark needed to
get
it started?

Steve ;-)



Steve, I'm sorry, but I started this thread, so I'm sure someone else
will
take credit for it. :)


We want you to get all the credit you're due. Idiot.


Yup... you're a stalker.


Really? I don't know who you are, where you are, or what you are. And I
promise you that, If you leave here, you won't be followed. S F B


You don't have to promise. You'll never find out who I am. FYI, stalking can
happen on Usenet. You're pretty good at it!

SFB? Just come out and say it. Or, just come out.