"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

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Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

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Nom=de=Plume

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.
Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple



I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 11:44 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600,
wrote:
Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout
corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But
looks
like Obama is just a bull****er.

no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation
we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame
it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy

Just learn what VAT means. It is coming.

i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something

you, however, can't


It would work here, but it would have to be implemented very slowly,
otherwise the disruption would be catastrophic to the economy.

At the rate DC is doing debt, it will be abrupt. You are just sore as you
now see it is coming around your way. Did you really think debt-spend
bailouts and big governemtn out of control spending was free?

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


You're just an idiot. Did I ever think otherwise? No.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:43:57 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/04/2010 11:13 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:02:55 -0400, wrote:


Would you ask a poor persoon how to manage your how to manage your
assest? Neither would I.

the right asked the best thieves on wall street to manage the economy.

canuck believes they're gods

Not gods. Just recognize that you can't fight the NWO of corruption, so
you anticipate it for profit. If you figure Obama is a statist, and I
firmly believe he is

gee. it's been 1 1/2 years. if he's a statist

when's he gonna start? that's ANOTHER fact that treats your argument
like a baby treats a diaper


Like playing a game of chess. I got out of banks, loans, mortgage
mutuals and the like between 2004 and 2007 as the writing was on the
wall. Before the big wipeout.

everything is about him. 100,000,000 americans who got raped by wall
street can go **** themselves.

typical right wing view: let 'em eat cake


Look at Obama, he is going after the middle class, not the ultra rich or
corrupt

cliche

.. Hell, he represents the corrupt, hand picked for your
consumption

cliche

.. He knows he can't tax them, even if he could it wouldn't
fund him for long.

cliche

He needs serious cash for his NWO fantasy. And that
means screwing taxing right onto everyone. It is the motivation behind
health care, revenue.

cliche

not a SINGLE article of proof in ANY of those contentions.

if obama's a statist, where's the PROOF? if he's gonna use medical
funds for his NOW, why hasn't he raided medicare?

no proof. none. not a single shred of proof in ANY of his tin foil hat
right wing delusions.


Take Bilderberg group.

ROFLMAO!! the bilderberg group? christ you really ARE paranoid!!


Obama puts on a good show, but in reality he is a puppet pawn in the
game. Too spinless to come clean, after all he might end up like JFK.
Nothing in DC has changed, just the big mouth behind the mic. Good liar.

let's see...he just got universal healthcare for the middle class.

yeah. looks like a puppet to me

ROFLMAO!!!

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.
Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple



I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

On 24/04/2010 11:49 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

I have skin in the game.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On Apr 24, 12:35*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message

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On 23/04/2010 5:39 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
*wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote:

The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage
caused
by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I
wasn't.

So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting
Bush
run the government?

This is a serious question: are you retarded?

Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16
months?

Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for
Obama
and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with
benefits to do this.

You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months?

First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats
and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did.

You're an idiot.

Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they
are
liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. *Congress manages
the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up.

You're an idiot.

Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. *Blame Bush
all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball
game.

You're an idiot.

I think I summed that up nicely.

Sorry your brain didn't grasp the fundimentals. *But no one ever accused
you of being rational.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"At least I have a brain. ..."

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Nom=de=Plume

Which shows evidence of being dormant, inoperable, and unrepairable.

On Apr 24, 12:43*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message

m...





"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Nom=de=Plume

We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. *And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

*They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ *How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.

How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good. *Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a
Trillion dollars. *Explain it, or go get an education. *Explain how we are
getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment
this last quarter. *Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and
which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. *Stop
parroting Olberman, etc. *He is probably more biased and not as smart as
Rush.

This has been explained many times, and for the record, the "amounts" aren't
"excessive." They're what's needed to get the economy moving again. Feel
free to believe otherwise. Already explained the unemployment situation
several times. Re-read the posts.

Rush is an idiot. You're an idiot. Canuck is an idiot.

--
Nom=de=Plume

And you D'Plume, are not average.

On Apr 24, 12:52*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message

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On 23/04/2010 11:44 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
*wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600,
wrote:
Think what you want. *I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout
corruption. *I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. *But
looks
like Obama is just a bull****er.

no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation
we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. *so you blame
it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy

Just learn what VAT means. *It is coming.

i hope so. it works in europe. *we can learn something

you, however, can't

It would work here, but it would have to be implemented very slowly,
otherwise the disruption would be catastrophic to the economy.

At the rate DC is doing debt, it will be abrupt. *You are just sore as you
now see it is coming around your way. *Did you really think debt-spend
bailouts and big governemtn out of control spending was free?

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

You're just an idiot. Did I ever think otherwise? No.

--
Nom=de=Plume

The question is, D'Plume. Did you ever think? No.

On Apr 24, 1:00*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement..
*Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. *First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. *If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. *Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple

I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

Herr Krause writes nothing but left wing cliche's. I haven't seen a
single, coherent argument from his at all. But it's obvious you
approve of those.

pathetic. truly pathetic.